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    Mar 7, 2016, 11:36 PM - Jedi Training Remote #1



    Hey guy's I'm about to kick off building a Jedi Training Remote. This is my first foray into kit-bashing, studio scale, and molding and casting. I believe that I have all the parts and materials except for some paint. I do have some questions that my research hasn't been able to confirm and was wondering if anyone knew.

    Questions

    1. The wheels from the Kenworth kit some have lugs and some do not. We do know that both were used on the real prop, but do we know how many of each? And what is the pattern of placement for them if any?

    2. I've seen a few people use different thicknesses of styrene sheet to make the panels, do we know what the actual thickness is? I've seen both .75 mm(.030 inch), and .5 mm(.020 inch), seems like quite a disparity.

    3. I'm wanting some opinions on the best way to make parts chrome. I'm going to be molding and casting the parts because there are not enough in each kit and the wheels need to be chrome. I've seen some people send out for a plating service, I've seen some paint with high gloss black paint and then spray chrome paint with some success. I'm sure there are more options and I'd like to know about them and the pros and cons of each.

    List of Parts
    1/48 Tamiya Panther "Type G" (Bandai is what was used on the real prop)
    cupola
    hatches
    tank treads
    Detail - part #3
    Muffler Baffle


    1/24 ERTL Kenworth T-600 kit #6976 or AMT Midnight Express
    Chrome truck rims * 8
    Axle Bracket * 8


    1/72 scale M-4(A3E8) Sherman tank model by Hasegawa
    Male Wheel halves
    Female wheel halves


    1/72 Airfix Panzer IV
    wheels

    2x 6 inch Plastruct VHH-600 hemispheres


    Scotchlite Reflective tape to back the hubs and cupolas

    Styrene sheet


    Paint + alternative colors
    Floquil Freight Car Brown = Testers acrylic rust
    Floquil Reefer White = white testers primer, Tamiya flat white, Testers Insignia white
    testers flint gray = Tamiya Haze Grey


    Here are my resources for researching this project. If you know of any others please share them with me.

    Resources
    http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=42132
    http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=150843
    http://www.partsofsw.com/tremote/trremote.htm




    Am I forgetting anything? I plan to post progress but I don't expect that this will go very fast seeing as how there a lot of first for me. Any tips, ideas, tricks are welcome. Thanks for looking.
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    Mar 8, 2016, 9:38 AM - Re: Jedi Training Remote #2

    Can't help you with your questions since i haven't built the remote yet. But good luck on your first build. I'm sure you will enjoy the hell out of it.
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    Mar 8, 2016, 10:46 AM - Re: Jedi Training Remote #3

    BrundelFly you seek...
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    Mar 8, 2016, 2:38 PM - Re: Jedi Training Remote #4

    At some point, you've just got to start in. You can go a hell of a long way on this project before you need any of the detail bits, working out the rim placement, detail placement, how to properly cut the plate detail so that it conforms to the sphere and gives you a good vertical spacing, etc... and getting into building a good way along. Cast your parts if you're satisfied they're matches or near enough. Only thing I'd do, if you can or choose, is get a good look at what the Tamiya has v the original Bandai. (I'm guessing Detail 3 is the U-Brackets) Scale match is nice, but they may not have agreed on some 1:1 dimensions, and you might find that nudging something a mm or a few one way or another throws you off. In short though, get going. :-)
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    Mar 8, 2016, 2:59 PM - Re: Jedi Training Remote #5

    Hi newmagrathea!

    You have overtaken me!!

    I was working in this model too.
    I would have liked to make a complete thread with all the process. (dedicated especially to Luke0312, who was the first member, who helped me in this forum, providing me a copy of the Brundelfly's tutorial)

    I have the bandai Panther, and you can ask me for same cast you want.
    There are some conflictive points in the measures, if you have same doubts, Ill tell you what I decided (Only "my" interpretation, of course, Im not any expert)

    Thanks to post this so generously

    Cheers.

    Luis
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    Mar 8, 2016, 10:24 PM - Re: Jedi Training Remote #6

    Clerval said: View Post
    At some point, you've just got to start in. You can go a hell of a long way on this project before you need any of the detail bits, working out the rim placement, detail placement, how to properly cut the plate detail so that it conforms to the sphere and gives you a good vertical spacing, etc... and getting into building a good way along. Cast your parts if you're satisfied they're matches or near enough. Only thing I'd do, if you can or choose, is get a good look at what the Tamiya has v the original Bandai. (I'm guessing Detail 3 is the U-Brackets) Scale match is nice, but they may not have agreed on some 1:1 dimensions, and you might find that nudging something a mm or a few one way or another throws you off. In short though, get going. :-)
    Yeah, I'm going to start teaching myself about casting and molding first. I'll probably go through the materials that were sent in the kit I bough and watch some videos on youtube.

    If anyone knows of some good resources for learning about it please send it my way.
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    Mar 8, 2016, 10:27 PM - Re: Jedi Training Remote #7

    mirdhim said: View Post
    Hi newmagrathea!

    You have overtaken me!!

    I was working in this model too.
    I would have liked to make a complete thread with all the process. (dedicated especially to Luke0312, who was the first member, who helped me in this forum, providing me a copy of the Brundelfly's tutorial)

    I have the bandai Panther, and you can ask me for same cast you want.
    There are some conflictive points in the measures, if you have same doubts, Ill tell you what I decided (Only "my" interpretation, of course, Im not any expert)

    Thanks to post this so generously

    Cheers.

    Luis
    Nice, if you want to post your progress on here you can. I'm going to cast all my parts so I hopefully don't destroy any original parts. I would definitely be interested in some of your cast parts of the Bandai, I can send you a set of Tamiya cast parts. I would love to see the difference in sizes and detail.
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    Mar 8, 2016, 10:48 PM - Re: Jedi Training Remote #8

    Why not just buy a 1/48 Bandai Panther G? It's not at all rare, was used on bunches of studio-built miniatures, and I'm pretty sure you can still buy them on eBay, where it looks like they're actually a good bit cheaper than that Tamiya kit.
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    Mar 9, 2016, 10:24 AM - Re: Jedi Training Remote #9

    -... . .- --.. said: View Post
    Why not just buy a 1/48 Bandai Panther G? It's not at all rare, was used on bunches of studio-built miniatures, and I'm pretty sure you can still buy them on eBay, where it looks like they're actually a good bit cheaper than that Tamiya kit.
    Interesting, I couldn't find any for sale when I was hunting down these kits. I may just pick one up that is found on the bay. Thanks
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    Mar 10, 2016, 12:55 PM - Re: Jedi Training Remote #10

    newmagrathea said: View Post
    Yeah, I'm going to start teaching myself about casting and molding first. I'll probably go through the materials that were sent in the kit I bough and watch some videos on youtube.

    If anyone knows of some good resources for learning about it please send it my way.

    This site has a lot of information, tutorials.....

    http://www.smooth-on.com/


    Luis.
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    Apr 3, 2016, 3:51 AM - Re: Jedi Training Remote #11

    I'm contemplating building one of these too. Have only bought a Hasegawa kit so far. Lol

    I will watch your progress on this with great interest. Thanks for sharing so far, it has helped me discover what parts/kits I need to find.

    kuwahero
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    Apr 6, 2016, 12:31 AM - Re: Jedi Training Remote #12

    I keep getting PMs asking for my tutorial.

    I found it, but it needs some tweaking. Ill post a link soon.

    Frank
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    Apr 6, 2016, 10:21 AM - Re: Jedi Training Remote #13

    Frank your Training remote was one of the first things ever offered as a kit! what was it 95ish? Post some pics of it and lets take a gander!
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    Apr 6, 2016, 12:09 PM - Re: Jedi Training Remote #14

    Frank's training remote was one of the first props I actually built... now building that kit would feel like cheating

    But so glad I did it.

    That remote and my first wildly inaccurate DL-44... good times...
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    Apr 15, 2016, 9:37 AM - Re: Jedi Training Remote #15

    -... . .- --.. said: View Post
    Why not just buy a 1/48 Bandai Panther G? It's not at all rare, was used on bunches of studio-built miniatures, and I'm pretty sure you can still buy them on eBay, where it looks like they're actually a good bit cheaper than that Tamiya kit.
    That's where you'd be wrong ... they've sold to crazy prices on ePay lately :/

    - - - Updated - - -

    for your questions:

    1. the Hubs - 6 with bolts, 2 without
    2. plastic ... I used 1mm which I vac-formed over the hemispheres, and then cut all the parts from that ...... so probably close to .75mm
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    Apr 22, 2016, 2:55 PM - Re: Jedi Training Remote #16

    KrokoHunter said: View Post
    That's where you'd be wrong ... they've sold to crazy prices on ePay lately :/

    - - - Updated - - -

    for your questions:

    1. the Hubs - 6 with bolts, 2 without
    2. plastic ... I used 1mm which I vac-formed over the hemispheres, and then cut all the parts from that ...... so probably close to .75mm
    Yeah, I've looked for that kit and only seen one for sale on the bay, it's price went higher than all of the supplies I've bought combined so I passed on it. Thanks for the info. I need to get to work on this, I've been busy with yard work now that it's getting nice out.
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    Apr 30, 2016, 11:50 PM - Re: Jedi Training Remote #17

    BrundelFly said: View Post
    I keep getting PMs asking for my tutorial.

    I found it, but it needs some tweaking. Ill post a link soon.

    Frank
    really excited for you to re-post, all my parts are ready to go! really appreciate you bringing this back for us latecomers.
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    May 2, 2016, 9:05 AM - Re: Jedi Training Remote #18

    Best advice I can give is to buy some WED clay and start making molds. Its surprising easy on simple, non detailed items. Once you get into items with a lot of details is where it becomes tough.

    A vacuum degasser helps but try not to trap air bubbles and you should be OK. Pour slowly and shake/ tap the mold box while pouring.
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    May 8, 2016, 8:34 AM - Re: Jedi Training Remote #19

    Wow! Such an excellent source of info! Thanks for putting this up. (As if I needed any help spending money!)

    looking around at at model kits and things, has anyone tried using some of the newer AMT Peterbilt 359 1/25 models? Their availability is quite good but was wondering about the parts being even remotely useable. The wheels look spot on but not sure about the axle mounts being present.

    Has anyone modelled these up in CAD before? The greeblies are tiny but I've had great success with shapeways hi res frosted detail material before. I'd be happy to give it a try if someone is willing to lend some parts that I can measure up.
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    May 8, 2016, 10:05 AM - Re: Jedi Training Remote #20

    Picked up a 00 Airfix Panzer IV which I read somewhere was the correct model, however, I can't seem to find where I referenced this. I believe this scale is 1/76?

    I see you have a 1/72 Airfix Panzer IV. Did I get the wrong one? or is the diff in size negligible.
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    May 9, 2016, 10:31 PM - Re: Jedi Training Remote #21

    kuwahero said: View Post
    Picked up a 00 Airfix Panzer IV which I read somewhere was the correct model, however, I can't seem to find where I referenced this. I believe this scale is 1/76?

    I see you have a 1/72 Airfix Panzer IV. Did I get the wrong one? or is the diff in size negligible.
    I don't know the kit you bought, but scale-wise it shouldn't make much difference. However sometimes the parts are not the same in different sized kits.
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    May 10, 2016, 2:35 PM - Re: Jedi Training Remote #22

    This is the box image from my Ebay purchase. Listed as Airfix A208V OO Scale 1/76 Panzer IV - 1st release Type 3D Boxing 1971-72Click image for larger version. 

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    Will take some pics of the sprues when I get a chance.
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    May 18, 2016, 8:52 AM - Re: Jedi Training Remote #23

    no wories ... that is the right set
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    May 19, 2016, 1:39 PM - Re: Jedi Training Remote #24

    So does that mean I have the incorrect kit at 1:72?

    KrokoHunter said: View Post
    no wories ... that is the right set
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    May 19, 2016, 2:02 PM - Re: Jedi Training Remote #25

    nope .. for some reason Airfix at some point rebranded all their OO Scale (1/76) to 1/72 ...... but it's the same set

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