How did the studio create the texture for the Deadpool costume?
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mdb
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Not a print, the Captain America suit is a coarsely woven nylon, any paint/print over that is affected by how rigid the base material was.
Fabric is not poured or is anything like a plastic, it is incredibly diverse from plain weave to complex knits. Patterns can be woven in in many different ways and knits just get insanely complex. Strands of fibres bundled together and woven. And those fibres can be twisted, overtwisted, flossed, all in one direction, in close bundles or really dense. Just look at your clothes and furnishings to see the diversity.
The fabric is much too thick to be "spandex"- though spandex is only a partial component of any stretch fabric and is a really non-useful descriptor really
It's used in woven and knitted fabrics and is purely for adding stretch. I even have stretch silk satin. Yes silk, yes satin, yes it stretches.
It looks like a kind of sports mesh. Spacer or air-mesh. I know spacer mesh came up in the Nolan Batman costumes. It's also possible to layer a plain thin open mesh over a heavier plain base fabric as the piecing also looks like it is internally supported with interfacings and linings to maintain the shape. Note how crisp those edges are and how defined and how deep the spaces are vs the surface. It's a heavy material. Weathering makes it more obvious because single colour blocks just lose a lot of dpeth. Same principle as for body paint.
Figuring out what kind of mesh would be about cell size and density (how big and how often the holes repeat) and thickness. Some meshes are stretch some are not so possibly look for air mesh and spacer mesh.
Fabric is not poured or is anything like a plastic, it is incredibly diverse from plain weave to complex knits. Patterns can be woven in in many different ways and knits just get insanely complex. Strands of fibres bundled together and woven. And those fibres can be twisted, overtwisted, flossed, all in one direction, in close bundles or really dense. Just look at your clothes and furnishings to see the diversity.
The fabric is much too thick to be "spandex"- though spandex is only a partial component of any stretch fabric and is a really non-useful descriptor really
It's used in woven and knitted fabrics and is purely for adding stretch. I even have stretch silk satin. Yes silk, yes satin, yes it stretches.It looks like a kind of sports mesh. Spacer or air-mesh. I know spacer mesh came up in the Nolan Batman costumes. It's also possible to layer a plain thin open mesh over a heavier plain base fabric as the piecing also looks like it is internally supported with interfacings and linings to maintain the shape. Note how crisp those edges are and how defined and how deep the spaces are vs the surface. It's a heavy material. Weathering makes it more obvious because single colour blocks just lose a lot of dpeth. Same principle as for body paint.
Figuring out what kind of mesh would be about cell size and density (how big and how often the holes repeat) and thickness. Some meshes are stretch some are not so possibly look for air mesh and spacer mesh.
LovingApathy
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Not a print, the Captain America suit is a coarsely woven nylon, any paint/print over that is affected by how rigid the base material was.
Fabric is not poured or is anything like a plastic, it is incredibly diverse from plain weave to complex knits. Patterns can be woven in in many different ways and knits just get insanely complex. Strands of fibres bundled together and woven. And those fibres can be twisted, overtwisted, flossed, all in one direction, in close bundles or really dense. Just look at your clothes and furnishings to see the diversity.
The fabric is much too thick to be "spandex"- though spandex is only a partial component of any stretch fabric and is a really non-useful descriptor really
It looks like a kind of sports mesh. Spacer or air-mesh. I know spacer mesh came up in the Nolan Batman costumes. It's also possible to layer a plain thin open mesh over a heavier plain base fabric as the piecing also looks like it is internally supported with interfacings and linings to maintain the shape. Note how crisp those edges are and how defined and how deep the spaces are vs the surface. It's a heavy material. Weathering makes it more obvious because single colour blocks just lose a lot of dpeth. Same principle as for body paint.
Figuring out what kind of mesh would be about cell size and density (how big and how often the holes repeat) and thickness. Some meshes are stretch some are not so possibly look for air mesh and spacer mesh.
Exactly
Sorry, but the Cap suits are a screen printed stretch material.
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LovingApathy
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The designer for the winter soldier film did use a mixture of fabrics that mimicked a single stronger material. It was several types of fabrics. Not jst screen printed fabric.
LovingApathy
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I looked for that post but couldn't find it.. What's the guys name?
I've looked through a ton of material posted by Dan Crawley, Russ Shinkle, Joshua Shaw, Alessandro Baldasseroni, and the only person I've been able to find that is tied to a printed suit for deadpool so far is El Fett?
Not doubting you, jst would like to see what was said
efarley
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It's not inside out as far as I can tell. It looks like the outside of the jacket, with her sewing the shoulder strap
bondoking
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http://tyrannyofstyle.com/deadpool-making-of-film-costume
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Someone posted this in another thread. Nothing about material but still pretty informative
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Someone posted this in another thread. Nothing about material but still pretty informative
The Comic-Con cover shot of Deadpool looks exactly like Black Widow's 2012 suit texture except for the color. The closest I could find to that fabric was a "neoprene" spacer mesh from Mood Fabrics. It really isn't neoprene at all - they just call it that because the thickness is somewhat similar. I bought black fabric for my Black Widow suit, but I haven't used it yet. Here's a closeup of the swatch I have:
http://blog.poista.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/P2-SpacerMesh.jpg
The red version is rather bright (but I suppose you can weather it to be darker or use a black liner underneath):
http://www.moodfabrics.com/red-spacer-mesh-110760.html
I noticed Captain America is wearing a shirt made of the navy blue mesh in some Civil War trailer shots. The costume designers working on Marvel films seem to like this stuff.
Rockywoods has a version (in black) that looks similar in photos, but actually has a smooth surface:
http://www.rockywoods.com/Fabrics-Kits/Spacer-Meshes/2mm-Foam-Ventilated-Mesh-Black
They are about the same thickness, but the texture on the Rockywoods version comes from the color of the thread whereas the Mood Fabrics version has actual indentations. Rockywoods feels softer to the touch, but I was pretty sure the fabric used in the film has a mesh outer surface, so I bought the MF version for my costume. (P.S. Rockywoods says on their page that they get different lots and the swatch I got is slightly different from their photo. It's only available in black, so it probably doesn't matter as far Deadpool costumes go.)
http://blog.poista.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/P2-SpacerMesh.jpg
The red version is rather bright (but I suppose you can weather it to be darker or use a black liner underneath):
http://www.moodfabrics.com/red-spacer-mesh-110760.html
I noticed Captain America is wearing a shirt made of the navy blue mesh in some Civil War trailer shots. The costume designers working on Marvel films seem to like this stuff.
Rockywoods has a version (in black) that looks similar in photos, but actually has a smooth surface:
http://www.rockywoods.com/Fabrics-Kits/Spacer-Meshes/2mm-Foam-Ventilated-Mesh-Black
They are about the same thickness, but the texture on the Rockywoods version comes from the color of the thread whereas the Mood Fabrics version has actual indentations. Rockywoods feels softer to the touch, but I was pretty sure the fabric used in the film has a mesh outer surface, so I bought the MF version for my costume. (P.S. Rockywoods says on their page that they get different lots and the swatch I got is slightly different from their photo. It's only available in black, so it probably doesn't matter as far Deadpool costumes go.)
JJ Griffin
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FWIW, I agree with Kevin Gossett, Westies14, etc. It is likely a silicone screen-printed fabric that is proprietary (uniquely created for the movie). When I spoke to the costume manager for the Daredevil Netflix series, that is what she told me his red suit was made from (and she specifically mentioned that Marvel Entertainment just LOVES using that stuff in the MCU media).
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LovingApathy
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Film Illusions Inc. might have used a silicone screen-printed fabric or layered material or textured fabric.
As for people recreating the suit... To each their own.
I know there are several people online that would love to make a profit on a very simple printed fabric and luckily for them there are those that think there isn't any other solution than what they believe is the most screen accurate material.
This forum has some extreme levels of commitment to accuracy (some insanely detailed to the nine and some that enjoy making what they can to represent something they want to have fun with) If the person that is making or wearing the suit is really into the material they chose then that's fantastic.
There are options available to represent the fabric used without expecting to pay $100+ a yard for printed material.
The suit in the movie is used and abused and is definitely meant to look that way. It would be crazy is the printed fabric wouldn't hold up to the weathering process.
As for people recreating the suit... To each their own.
I know there are several people online that would love to make a profit on a very simple printed fabric and luckily for them there are those that think there isn't any other solution than what they believe is the most screen accurate material.
This forum has some extreme levels of commitment to accuracy (some insanely detailed to the nine and some that enjoy making what they can to represent something they want to have fun with) If the person that is making or wearing the suit is really into the material they chose then that's fantastic.
There are options available to represent the fabric used without expecting to pay $100+ a yard for printed material.
The suit in the movie is used and abused and is definitely meant to look that way. It would be crazy is the printed fabric wouldn't hold up to the weathering process.
So if we wanted to start discussing the screen printing process for something like this, is a DIY solution going to be as simple as building a frame with 110-130 mesh, getting a 1-2mm checkerboard printed on as large of a transparent sheet as possible and using photosensitive immulsion? Is it more cost effective to find a shop that'll print it for you?
And then do we think silicone is necessary or is normal screen printing paint fine? puff paint?
And then do we think silicone is necessary or is normal screen printing paint fine? puff paint?
efarley
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The movie appears to use a silicone printing to have a 3D effect to the printing, I don't think puff paint would work for such a small design, I suspect it would all just run together and lose the detail of such a small grid, that said I've never used puff paint. Regular screen printing just isn't going to give the 3D effect except in photos or from a distance.
I'd love to know what kind of cost/effort goes into getting a body suit printed with silicone and what shops might offer such a service and how one goes about sizing the pattern on a computer to ensure they have the right size parts printed. If anyone has this information, or a link to somewhere that it's discussed in detail, that would be fantastic!
I know there are some local shops that will do Dye Emulsion but that just isn't going to achieve the right look.
That all said even if I were to find out how I could get the fabric silicone printed I'd still need to figure out how to get spandex to have the weight and lay like a leather or heavy fabric, and deal with the risk that the printing might start peeling off the fabric ruining the suit I think it'd be much better/cheeper/faster/durable to just find a fabric that simulates the look.
I'd love to know what kind of cost/effort goes into getting a body suit printed with silicone and what shops might offer such a service and how one goes about sizing the pattern on a computer to ensure they have the right size parts printed. If anyone has this information, or a link to somewhere that it's discussed in detail, that would be fantastic!
I know there are some local shops that will do Dye Emulsion but that just isn't going to achieve the right look.
That all said even if I were to find out how I could get the fabric silicone printed I'd still need to figure out how to get spandex to have the weight and lay like a leather or heavy fabric, and deal with the risk that the printing might start peeling off the fabric ruining the suit I think it'd be much better/cheeper/faster/durable to just find a fabric that simulates the look.
GodsAdvised
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Everyone listen to MDB...it's spot on. This isn't spandex and there's no screen print or texture press. It's just the natural pattern in the fabric.
Film Illusions Inc. might have used a silicone screen-printed fabric or layered material or textured fabric.
As for people recreating the suit... To each their own.
I know there are several people online that would love to make a profit on a very simple printed fabric and luckily for them there are those that think there isn't any other solution than what they believe is the most screen accurate material.
This forum has some extreme levels of commitment to accuracy (some insanely detailed to the nine and some that enjoy making what they can to represent something they want to have fun with) If the person that is making or wearing the suit is really into the material they chose then that's fantastic.
There are options available to represent the fabric used without expecting to pay $100+ a yard for printed material.
The suit in the movie is used and abused and is definitely meant to look that way. It would be crazy is the printed fabric wouldn't hold up to the weathering process.
I've talked to someone who does specialty ink screen printing and he said it's not a silicone screen printing ink, but a high density ink with a few other things mixed into it with additional weathering.
Also, if the texture already had a natural pattern on it, why is it that the tiny square shapes vary in sizes and crisp edges (some look round) while others don't.
http://i.imgur.com/kSjr5wK.jpg
also kiyominai has a production head piece, maybe he can give us more info.
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