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    Feb 5, 2018, 7:05 AM - Re: Walking Dead Rick Jacket #526

    Ok, here it comes. I'm tired (no sleep, long day at work) so I hope everything I say is coherent enough.

    I can't tell much about the overall model and shape at all as the measurements are apparently completely custom. What does seem to be the case is that the jacket is too short on you.

    Remove chest pocket.

    Seams sleeves should NOT join the chest seam. Way off.


    Either button caps are too big or the cuff is too thin.

    Button knobs/studs are too big. Something that's always bothering me with replica jackets.

    Zipper size seems to be 5 instead of 8.

    The ribs of the ribbed fabric are too big. Need finer knit. Ribbed fabric of the lining looks good. Ribbed fabric of the outer shell and the inner lining should be exactly the same.

    Curves flaring outwards on the back are way too curvy. The shape is totally off.

    No stitches on the ribbed fabric at the bottom. Only on the suede.

    It appears that the shoulder seam running from neck to shoulder/arm opening should be lower. (4 cm from fold line when laying flat).

    Here are a few pics to back up my comments.

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    To be fair I don't know what to say or what to feel. I mean, literally everything has been documented and noted down, multiple original jackets have been photographed and measured to death and there is hardly anything left to document and still there are some very obvious mistakes that in my opinion are totally unnecessary. There are also some nice-looking bits but seeing as the original jacket is well-documented I kind of take that for granted. I know that it's 'merely' a prototype, but I hope you do get what I'm saying. I don't mean to be too harsh or blunt.

    I can't say much about the colors. In the pictures the jacket looks quite a bit reddish brown. I would be happy to help out with the colors were it not for the fact that I'm still waiting like forever for something to arrive or even be sent to me...
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    Feb 5, 2018, 3:39 PM - Re: Walking Dead Rick Jacket #527

    Razor1986 said: View Post
    Ok, here it comes. I'm tired (no sleep, long day at work) so I hope everything I say is coherent enough.

    I can't tell much about the overall model and shape at all as the measurements are apparently completely custom. What does seem to be the case is that the jacket is too short on you.

    Remove chest pocket.

    Seams sleeves should NOT join the chest seam. Way off.


    Either button caps are too big or the cuff is too thin.

    Button knobs/studs are too big. Something that's always bothering me with replica jackets.

    Zipper size seems to be 5 instead of 8.

    The ribs of the ribbed fabric are too big. Need finer knit. Ribbed fabric of the lining looks good. Ribbed fabric of the outer shell and the inner lining should be exactly the same.

    Curves flaring outwards on the back are way too curvy. The shape is totally off.

    No stitches on the ribbed fabric at the bottom. Only on the suede.

    It appears that the shoulder seam running from neck to shoulder/arm opening should be lower. (4 cm from fold line when laying flat).

    Here are a few pics to back up my comments.

    Click image for larger version. 

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    To be fair I don't know what to say or what to feel. I mean, literally everything has been documented and noted down, multiple original jackets have been photographed and measured to death and there is hardly anything left to document and still there are some very obvious mistakes that in my opinion are totally unnecessary. There are also some nice-looking bits but seeing as the original jacket is well-documented I kind of take that for granted. I know that it's 'merely' a prototype, but I hope you do get what I'm saying. I don't mean to be too harsh or blunt.

    I can't say much about the colors. In the pictures the jacket looks quite a bit reddish brown. I would be happy to help out with the colors were it not for the fact that I'm still waiting like forever for something to arrive or even be sent to me...
    Although I'm not Indy I think he addressed a couple of the points in a couple posts; from what I can infer Indy just wanted to get a basic prototype out and followed suit with the OEM version of the jacket (i.e. the chest pocket, collar button strap) that way once familiar with the jacket he can narrow down the details for our Rick TV version of the Ugg jacket. You're definitely right about the sizing though, bottom of the jacket should definitely be lower and be about groin level for a proper fit.


    That being said, the Lycra for the sides is different because he mentioned before about finding a more suitable lycra with a finer thread count midway into the project; that's why the outside of the jacket looks thicker because it has a smaller thread count than the lycra he sourced for the inside panels presumably in the middle of the project. The inside lycra seems to be the most accurate fabric for the jacket's middle sides and sleeves. Everything else you mentioned is definitely spot on and as he mentioned before this is the very first prototype so I don't think he was able to make a lot of drastic changes considering what was already in place when we got our first preview like the stitching at the bottom of the lycra on the outside.

    One coloring detail I noticed is that Indy's jacket in low lighting looks spot on with how Rick's jacket looks in natural day light. Not sure what you think @Razor1986 on the coloring but for the next prototype I think the suede should be colored darker possibly or dyed in a way to lose the red undertones so that it has a consistent dark brown.

    I must say the fabric quality is excellent and I love the blue lining!
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    Feb 5, 2018, 4:38 PM - Re: Walking Dead Rick Jacket #528

    nladyman said: View Post
    Although I'm not Indy I think he addressed a couple of the points in a couple posts; from what I can infer Indy just wanted to get a basic prototype out and followed suit with the OEM version of the jacket (i.e. the chest pocket, collar button strap) that way once familiar with the jacket he can narrow down the details for our Rick TV version of the Ugg jacket. You're definitely right about the sizing though, bottom of the jacket should definitely be lower and be about groin level for a proper fit.


    That being said, the Lycra for the sides is different because he mentioned before about finding a more suitable lycra with a finer thread count midway into the project; that's why the outside of the jacket looks thicker because it has a smaller thread count than the lycra he sourced for the inside panels presumably in the middle of the project. The inside lycra seems to be the most accurate fabric for the jacket's middle sides and sleeves. Everything else you mentioned is definitely spot on and as he mentioned before this is the very first prototype so I don't think he was able to make a lot of drastic changes considering what was already in place when we got our first preview like the stitching at the bottom of the lycra on the outside.

    One coloring detail I noticed is that Indy's jacket in low lighting looks spot on with how Rick's jacket looks in natural day light. Not sure what you think @Razor1986 on the coloring but for the next prototype I think the suede should be colored darker possibly or dyed in a way to lose the red undertones so that it has a consistent dark brown.

    I must say the fabric quality is excellent and I love the blue lining!
    Yes, I'm aware of the fact that Indy applied changes in the middle of construction (different ribbed fabrics), but it was something that had to be noted nonetheless to be complete.
    But I meant to be talking about the overall shape, the seams of the sleeves in the armpit section that connect to the torso in a completely different spot, the measurements and ratio of certain measurements compared to one another, the cuffs that look too thin/too short/button caps too close to each other etc. etc.
    I think the whole problem of this is that it's using custom measurements to begin with, making it hard for us to judge whether the shape and measurements of the jacket are correct or not. I would say nail down the standard sizing first, use that as the basic model and from there apply the custom measurements that people may want when they order. Now it's a mash up of somewhat random measurements and shapes that we have to judge on its authentic look while it's using measurements that can actually change the whole model and shape of the jacket to begin with and thus interfere with the authentic look it tries to achieve.

    Also, what I was trying to say is that everything is documented down to the very bone and every comment of what could be wrong with the jacket would basically just be copy-pasting what's already documented in the documents. I feel like repeating myself over and over again.

    However I do have to say that it does look like it's quality stuff and well-constructed. And the things I didn't comment on should be regarded as perfectly fine. The lining does look nice, although it does look quite blue.

    As for the coloring, again it's tricky. On some pictures it looks very red, on others it looks quite dark brown. It would be nice if I could get some suede samples one way or another of various brown colors to directly compare it to the original jacket. Same with stitch thread and ribbed fabric.

    P.S. I may be wrong, but it does appear to me that the tape color of the zipper is not YKK color code 916 (black brown).
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    Feb 6, 2018, 12:09 AM - Re: Walking Dead Rick Jacket #529

    Looks really good!!!
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    Feb 7, 2018, 9:27 PM - Re: Walking Dead Rick Jacket #530

    Razor1986 said: View Post
    Yes, I'm aware of the fact that Indy applied changes in the middle of construction (different ribbed fabrics), but it was something that had to be noted nonetheless to be complete.
    But I meant to be talking about the overall shape, the seams of the sleeves in the armpit section that connect to the torso in a completely different spot, the measurements and ratio of certain measurements compared to one another, the cuffs that look too thin/too short/button caps too close to each other etc. etc.
    I think the whole problem of this is that it's using custom measurements to begin with, making it hard for us to judge whether the shape and measurements of the jacket are correct or not. I would say nail down the standard sizing first, use that as the basic model and from there apply the custom measurements that people may want when they order. Now it's a mash up of somewhat random measurements and shapes that we have to judge on its authentic look while it's using measurements that can actually change the whole model and shape of the jacket to begin with and thus interfere with the authentic look it tries to achieve.

    Also, what I was trying to say is that everything is documented down to the very bone and every comment of what could be wrong with the jacket would basically just be copy-pasting what's already documented in the documents. I feel like repeating myself over and over again.

    However I do have to say that it does look like it's quality stuff and well-constructed. And the things I didn't comment on should be regarded as perfectly fine. The lining does look nice, although it does look quite blue.

    As for the coloring, again it's tricky. On some pictures it looks very red, on others it looks quite dark brown. It would be nice if I could get some suede samples one way or another of various brown colors to directly compare it to the original jacket. Same with stitch thread and ribbed fabric.

    P.S. I may be wrong, but it does appear to me that the tape color of the zipper is not YKK color code 916 (black brown).
    Totally agreed. So basically it comes down to what you mentioned above with the back curve along with increasing the area of the back suede, as well as the collar stitching, armpit seam and everything else you listed

    Good eye on the tape color of the zipper, I could tell it was slightly different but wasn't sure if it was the shape or color. Also noted the pocket zippers seemed to be identical to the main zipper when they should be the M86A65 I think that's what we agreed was the most accurate one here's the link http://www.idealfastener.com/zippers...h/653/size:@08

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    I'm excited to see the next iteration hopefully with these changes implemented it should look spot on!
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    Feb 8, 2018, 2:16 PM - Re: Walking Dead Rick Jacket #531

    Working on v2 right now... thanks for all the input. Stay tuned!
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    Feb 9, 2018, 5:20 AM - Re: Walking Dead Rick Jacket #532

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    Working on v2 right now... thanks for all the input. Stay tuned!
    Hey Indy have a couple of suggestions for the collar it does look very bright to me it could be the photo although, if it was a darker colour would suit better?

    Also just looking at the shape of the body it still looks a little boxy to me and not athletic looking but that could be down to the body type of the model, quick question on the sleeves and arm holes when you lift your harm does the whole coat rise up and feel limited? If so any chance could maybe sort that out?
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    Feb 9, 2018, 2:02 PM - Re: Walking Dead Rick Jacket #533

    Sizing will be up to the customer. You can have the shoulders, chest and bottom width however you want to get the cut you're after. Similarly, our measurement form has a place for armhole width, so you can specify this as well.
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    Mar 12, 2018, 4:22 PM - Re: Walking Dead Rick Jacket #534

    Indy Magnoli said: View Post
    Working on v2 right now... thanks for all the input. Stay tuned!
    Any news yet?
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    Mar 12, 2018, 4:38 PM - Re: Walking Dead Rick Jacket #535

    Still working on a completely new prototype...

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