Star Trek: Discovery (2017)

How are you watching Star Trek: Discovery?

  • Signed up for CBS All Access before watching the premiere

    Votes: 13 9.1%
  • Signed up for CBS All Access after watching the premiere

    Votes: 13 9.1%
  • Not signing up, but will watch if it's available for free

    Votes: 82 57.3%
  • On Netflix (Non-US viewer)

    Votes: 35 24.5%

  • Total voters
    143
if I remember correctly, the proper excuses for hating tng back then where probably 'no one could replace kirk' ;o)

That was part of it and also a lot of us just felt that nothing could replace the original. I tried to watch the first episode, Encounter at Farpoint, but only got as far as the trial with Q when I couldn't take it anymore. I only got back into it years later when my mother started watching it and she ask me to tape some episodes for her. I actually got to like some of the stuff I saw. It took a couple of years for TNG to really get good and I'm just glad it wasn't on regular network TV or it would have been cancelled before the end of the first season.
 
They can keep saying it's the Prime-verse, but visually speaking it's clearly the Kelvin/Abrams timeline. Which, if that's the case, fine. Just commit to that. It makes more sense for the brand. But don't get classic fans, who are sticklers for detail, all worked up by saying it's something it isn't.

I don't get why they just wouldn't pull a TNG and say it was in the future-- like far enough that it wouldn't matter which timeline it was in. Unless there is something inherently married to the core concept that says it has to take place when it does, I just don't get why.

All THAT said, on its own merits, I think it looks okay. Not sure if I'd pay to watch it, but I will when it hits Netflix.

BTW, Netflix is handling the foreign distribution and their cut of the trailer is WAY better. I'd link it, but it's blocked now.
 
I imagine if this page were around in 1987 there would be all the disgruntled TOS fans hating on TNG for many of the same reasons. Whelp I'll be watching it.

The complaints about TNG before it came out mostly centered around character comparisons. This guy won't be as good as that guy...etc.

No one was blasting TNG for being a prequel that doesn't fit the timeline, altering established alien races for no good reason, removing focus from the captain, going edgy/dark/gritty, etc.

@SethS
Yeah, it's pretty obvious it was supposed to be JJ-verse. And someone realized that wouldn't sell to original Trek fans. And they tried to rebrand it to original Trek.

Did you notice how alien the Star Trek fanfare sounded at the end of the trailer when they pop the Trek logo? Like it doesn't even belong.
 
The only prequel Trek I want is a movie era series. For my money, Star Trek 2,3,6 and the open of Generations had the best production design ever. That was always my favorite era. Give me an Enterprise B series or just jump to the year 3000 and get away from everything established so everything is new again.

WHY AM I NOT IN CHARGE OF THESE THINGS
 
All I can say is thank God this is coming to Netflix in Canada. I already have an account so I'll give it a go. No way based on what I've seen would I pay specifically for this.
 
The only prequel Trek I want is a movie era series. For my money, Star Trek 2,3,6 and the open of Generations had the best production design ever. That was always my favorite era. Give me an Enterprise B series or just jump to the year 3000 and get away from everything established so everything is new again.

WHY AM I NOT IN CHARGE OF THESE THINGS

I grok your mouth-music. You should totally be in charge of these things.
 
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at least there are still some things most people can agree that it's OK to say 'this looks terrible' without being called a troll for doing so these days ;o)

don't mind me..just in one of my moods today :)
 
"Biologically determined to sense the oncoming of death". Who was the writer that came up with that? Takes me back to STTNG season one when Troi would spout silly obvious nonsense talk like that.
 
"Biologically determined to sense the oncoming of death". Who was the writer that came up with that? Takes me back to STTNG season one when Troi would spout silly obvious nonsense talk like that.

How is that even supposed to work? Is it just humanoids? Does he sense it every time someone uses sanitizer to kill germs? Or will he just sense whatever death is convenient for the story?

At least with Troi her empathic abilities were basically a less powerful form of telepathy, which isn't at all out of place in sci-fi. Her brain scanned another brain for feelings....I got it.
 
How is that even supposed to work? Is it just humanoids? Does he sense it every time someone uses sanitizer to kill germs? Or will he just sense whatever death is convenient for the story?

At least with Troi her empathic abilities were basically a less powerful form of telepathy, which isn't at all out of place in sci-fi. Her brain scanned another brain for feelings....I got it.

Maybe that alien will end up being the comedic relief. It will spout off that line repeatedly, only changing the last word!

"Biologically determined to sense the oncoming of a massive sale at the mall"
"Biologically determined to sense the oncoming of shots of vodka"
"Biologically determined to sense the oncoming of a swift kick to the ass"

This could be great!
 
I am angry and frustrated and disappointed. At the general lack-of-getting-it that pervades too much (but not all) of the entertainment industry currently. Not so much lack of creativity as lack of understanding of established properties these companies find themselves owning the rights to. Hasbro has never understood the deeper mythos the TV shows and -- to far greater extent -- the comics gave their toys, so they're perfectly happy with what Michael Bay is doing with the Transformers. And CBS is straying further and further from the various things Trek has been about...

I can grudgingly allow for the presence of JJ-Trek, and even enjoy them on a fairly superficial level. But I still feel Trek shoudl never be something you can only enjoy as fluff you have to turn your brain off for. I will argue til the Earth crumbles around me that Enterprise fits far, far better as a prologue to JJ-Trek than anywhere in the Prime timeline, unless there were a bit of tweaking to be the voyages of NCC-1701 as originally launched in the 2240s under Captain April. Discovery looks like it would do nicely immediately prior to the first JJ-Trek film. Vulcan is still there and the Enterprise is still being built in Iowa :)facepalm), and Kirk hasn't met Pike yet.

But the frustration and anger and disappointment comes from all. the missed. opportunities. From all the books and comics and RPG fluff I've read over the years, in the '70s and '80s, around and sometimes a bit before TOS and the first several films... Well, there's a lot of lore there that not only works, not only fits, but is a wonderful mine for material that is being utterly ignored. Ten, twenty years before TOS? Deteriorating relations with the fairly-recently encountered Klingons decline into a four-year hot war in the early 2250s that saw the Andorians getting far more involved in Stafleet, and ending with the Battle of Axanar. Because Humans were so quick to respond to provocation or danger with violence, Vulcans still refused to participate. In the aftermath of the Four Years War, some visionaries in Starfleet, like Robert April, advocated reassessing their purpose, and the Constitution class was rededicated to pushing the boundaries of knowledge, rather than being primarily a battleship with which to hold the Klingons at bay. April came up with the five-year missions, and this resulted in the Enterprise's crew ballooning from 204 to 430, with more scientists and mission specialists and redundant personnel.

That also gets around the "primitive" tech. It was a point of discussion on the old rec.arts.startrek.tech newsgroup back in the '90s and we felt it made sense that the ships that go out beyond all that is known, away from fleet support, will have deliberately uncomplicated controls and systemry, so that stuff is simple and easy to fix. Civilian ships and second- and third-rank Starfleet ships (couriers, supply ships, etc.) would likely have more familiar touchscreens and more automation. And I wholeheartedly agree "In A Mirror Darkly" demonstrated those sets can be built to look good and current, with an eye to materials and particular shades of wall paint, lighting, and room decor.

I'll disagree about the holo-stuff. There was a holographic environment room in the animated series that was what was built on to be TNG's holodeck. The early version just had wall projections -- no tangible holo-objects one could interact with. Likewise, the main viewscreen on TOS is supposed to be flat 3D, just as on the Enterprise-D in TNG. We never saw the viewer from an oblique angle in TOS because of the filming logistics to ensure continuity. Simpler to shoot straight on. Watch TNG and notice each time we see Picard step closer to the main viewer to talk to someone on the screen, and notice the angle that person is shown at. Each of those few-second inserts had to be filmed at that specific angle, and when doing the shot list, the director had to know in advance that it was going to require that and annotate appropriately.

So, all told, the more we see, Discovery just feels like badly-researched, badly-designed Trek fanfic to me.

--Jonah
 
As a guy go works in the arts in Toronto (where this is being filmed) the rumour is that this has been a bigger mess than suicide squad. It's amazing they even had enough footage for a teaser.

Apparently they tried to even film before they had scripts.

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As a guy go works in the arts in Toronto (where this is being filmed) the rumour is that this has been a bigger mess than suicide squad. It's amazing they even had enough footage for a teaser.

Apparently they tried to even film before they had scripts.

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To build on what inquisitor said..

this is another reason why i'm a grump about most thing hollywood these days.

Companies just don't take TIME to understand what makes things work. ESPECIALLY with older properties. these clueless CEO's either for some reason give it to people who don't care about the thing, or DO give it to someone who care, as was this case, get impatient, and fire them and then we get a bigger mess.

it's SUPER frustrating knowing that FANS can make something better than the official product, and that gets canned due to copyright infringement. shouldn't that tell the parent company 'hey, what you're doing ISN'T working?'

if more people stood together and complained about this stuff, maybe they would save their money and can it before it gets too far into production. people can smell a disaster a mile away. unless you a re a highly paid CEO.
 
Every time I waist 10 minutes waving around like and idiot trying to get an automated faucet tap to wash my hands I think that somewhere into the future, and advanced civilization will replace all these sensors with faucet knobs that turn on and off when you turn them. Theres an argument to be made that when it has to work, actual buttons are better than touch screens
 
"Biologically determined to sense the oncoming of death". Who was the writer that came up with that? Takes me back to STTNG season one when Troi would spout silly obvious nonsense talk like that.

How is that even supposed to work? Is it just humanoids? Does he sense it every time someone uses sanitizer to kill germs? Or will he just sense whatever death is convenient for the story?

At least with Troi her empathic abilities were basically a less powerful form of telepathy, which isn't at all out of place in sci-fi. Her brain scanned another brain for feelings....I got it.
Maybe that alien will end up being the comedic relief. It will spout off that line repeatedly, only changing the last word!

"Biologically determined to sense the oncoming of a massive sale at the mall"
"Biologically determined to sense the oncoming of shots of vodka"
"Biologically determined to sense the oncoming of a swift kick to the ass"

This could be great!
"Screenwriter induced fatality imminent!"

Maybe your'e right. As they beam down in a landing party, this character will stare at one of the extras in a red-shirt equivalent uniform. When the extra notices, he looks away in embarrassment. Ha-ha. Cue laugh track.

Wait, they havent' done a Star Trek with a laugh track, have they?! Oh … too late. => The Orville.

Every time I waist 10 minutes waving around like and idiot trying to get an automated faucet tap to wash my hands I think that somewhere into the future, and advanced civilization will replace all these sensors with faucet knobs that turn on and off when you turn them. Theres an argument to be made that when it has to work, actual buttons are better than touch screens

As I've gotten older and grumpier and less patient with the supposed "water saving innovation" of motion-activated faucets, after 10-15 secs of hand-waving to get water, I start hitting them, then moving to another sink. (I was in one cinema where an employee told me, "Oh, I think that one's busted. Oh, yeah, that one too." o_O) I think in the future, motion-activated faucets will be superseded by violent-impact-activated faucets, or obscene language-activated faucets. En-friggin-GAGE, dammit.



You guys are ignoring something. Entertainment CEOs are not graded on ability to deliver great entertainment like Mayer, Zanuck, et al. They are graded on ability to deliver Product, and generate/continue revenue. New Coke Trek doesn't have to be "good" or even "make sense." It just has to sell toys, home video, derivative merchandise, etc. Same with this show.

ST: Enterprise started goofy, but by season 3 I thought it was finding its legs. Season 4 was pretty good. But ... it wasn't selling ads, do pfft they pulled the plug. Shame. I'd buy my advance tix RIGHT NOW if they announced an Enterprise movie with Bakula, Blalock, Combs (!), et al. (If sit with a beer/martini and think about it, most of the "innovative" things that that hack Abrams intro'ed in ST '09 were already invented for Enterprise.)


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only problem is, it wouldn't be the old team doing the entperise movie. the new Team CLEARLY does not want to do star trek. They want to do generic sci fi action space movie.
So even if you had bakula, you'd still have JJ trek With Bakula. Same problem, different skin,


And the Toys for the new movies apparently dont' sell. at least according to a post i saw a bit back.

New Trek Doesn't have to be good or make sense......all they have to do is cater to the audience that will accept it no matter what, and if there is enough of that audience, that will defend crap just to appear positive, it will do well. if not, Trek will be buried for another 30 years until a reboot can be tried again...

when people are afraid to speak their mind and say something isn't a good idea, we get stuff like JJ trek and Discovery. But the crowd that think crap is good tends to have a louder boisterous voice :).
 
(nodding, "yes…")

Dejá vû … seems the same kind of obligatory positive, appreciative noises being made for hte new live action GiTS. (ymmv)


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