Poll: How are you watching Star Trek: Discovery?

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    1 Week Ago  Jan 11, 2018, 8:20 PM - Re: Star Trek: Discovery (2017) #1976

    Same here. I've NEVER liked alt universe stories cause nothing's ever really at risk. I think the Mirror Universe is cheesy--

    That said, this has been my favorite take on just for their badass costumes.

    Part of me thinks if they had just made THIS the show-- like episode 1 they get stuck in the mirrorverse for the length of the show-- that would be fun... maybe.
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    1 Week Ago  Jan 13, 2018, 3:47 AM - Re: Star Trek: Discovery (2017) #1977

    http://comicbook.com/startrek/2018/0...LAAD-blessing/

    Star Trek: Discovery killed off one of its prominent gay characters, but showrunners Aaron Harberts and Gretchen J. Berg were adamant the series avoid the "bury your gays" trope: the producers ran the death past GLAAD, receiving the organization's blessing.
    I don't remember them asking Asian groups if they could kill Georgiou. In fact they managed to kill two characters with ancestry from Asia. Landry was Indian.

    Why is this courtesy not afforded to other groups on the show?
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    1 Week Ago  Jan 13, 2018, 3:44 PM - Re: Star Trek: Discovery (2017) #1978

    Asking from political activist groups for "permission" to make creative changes?


    WOW. That's quite an interesting thing isn't it. What if they said no?

    I"d like to hope, HOPE that there are artists and writers that will speak up against this kind of thing
    for pretty obvious reasons.

    What other political activist groups should have creative powers that override artists?

    I GET believe me that most writers in LA are on the left but does it not occur to them what they are
    doing there????!

    Voluntary or not.
    OR is there serious SJW pressure to comply?
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    1 Week Ago  Jan 13, 2018, 4:01 PM - Re: Star Trek: Discovery (2017) #1979

    That is beyond ridiculous. Next time they ask if it is okay to kill off a blonde or brunett character.
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    1 Week Ago  Jan 13, 2018, 7:43 PM - Re: Star Trek: Discovery (2017) #1980

    Guess there are some questions you're not allowed to answer honestly and factually around here. That's kind of pathetic.
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    1 Week Ago  Jan 13, 2018, 8:00 PM - Re: Star Trek: Discovery (2017) #1981

    As a ********* lefty Hollywood writer you can always PM me the response I missed. I may have sounded combative, but it was more frustration than anything else. Wasn't trying to start a fight as much as try to understand.
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    6 Days Ago  Jan 14, 2018, 2:46 PM - Re: Star Trek: Discovery (2017) #1982

    I feel your frustration SethS.....it's a catch-22 effort to watch a series you want to love so much, and yet, with each episode you have to strain and make excuses about why it may have been good. I feel like I'm rationalizing that it may be OK because of it's pedigree and not because of it's content.
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    6 Days Ago  Jan 14, 2018, 6:59 PM - Re: Star Trek: Discovery (2017) #1983

    There's TWO scales of judgement happening, and in my experience, fandom tends to have trouble not merging them into one.

    There's the scale of judging the show on its own merits--it's writing, it's visuals, it's direction, etc.

    Then there's the fandom judgement of "Is this what I want from my favorite thing that I think I know best."

    There's people posting here, hating on the show, who made it clear from the second it was announced they were going to hate it because it wasn't what they thought it should be. With their minds made up, they continue to bash everything that happens as if they are surprised, and just pick apart everything behind the scenes in whatever fashion suits their politics, opinions, and whatever Trek means in their own minds.

    A lot of these people can't look past their fandom and simply hate it for not being what they wanted it to be. That said, Discovery is far from perfect, but instead of being able to talk about what could be better, or why it doesn't work, the conversation continually is driven back to politics and fanboy freak outs.

    If I don't like a TV show, I stop watching it. And after a post or two to vent my opinion, I bail from a thread. I don't go back with every episode to complain about the same things, and fight anyone who disagrees with me.
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    6 Days Ago  Jan 14, 2018, 7:33 PM - Re: Star Trek: Discovery (2017) #1984

    Cephus said: View Post
    Guess there are some questions you're not allowed to answer honestly and factually around here. That's kind of pathetic.
    What you posted was pathetic and outside the rules of the RPF, so stop complaining, snowflake.
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    6 Days Ago  Jan 14, 2018, 9:03 PM - Re: Star Trek: Discovery (2017) #1985

    SethS said: View Post
    There's TWO scales of judgement happening, and in my experience, fandom tends to have trouble not merging them into one.

    There's the scale of judging the show on its own merits--it's writing, it's visuals, it's direction, etc.

    Then there's the fandom judgement of "Is this what I want from my favorite thing that I think I know best."

    There's people posting here, hating on the show, who made it clear from the second it was announced they were going to hate it because it wasn't what they thought it should be. With their minds made up, they continue to bash everything that happens as if they are surprised, and just pick apart everything behind the scenes in whatever fashion suits their politics, opinions, and whatever Trek means in their own minds.

    A lot of these people can't look past their fandom and simply hate it for not being what they wanted it to be. That said, Discovery is far from perfect, but instead of being able to talk about what could be better, or why it doesn't work, the conversation continually is driven back to politics and fanboy freak outs.

    If I don't like a TV show, I stop watching it. And after a post or two to vent my opinion, I bail from a thread. I don't go back with every episode to complain about the same things, and fight anyone who disagrees with me.
    How much can you change a thing until it is no longer that thing?

    Is Trek merely saucer section fleet ships, vector insignia on uniforms, a diverse crew and then anything goes?

    What is the core of Trek to you to remain Trek?
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    6 Days Ago  Jan 14, 2018, 9:17 PM - Re: Star Trek: Discovery (2017) #1986

    Bryancd said: View Post
    What you posted was pathetic and outside the rules of the RPF, so stop complaining, snowflake.
    It was also the truth. Some people can't handle the truth.
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    6 Days Ago  Jan 14, 2018, 9:57 PM - Re: Star Trek: Discovery (2017) #1987

    CessnaDriver said: View Post
    How much can you change a thing until it is no longer that thing?

    Is Trek merely saucer section fleet ships, vector insignia on uniforms, a diverse crew and then anything goes?

    What is the core of Trek to you to remain Trek?
    If you're asking me seriously-- to me Trek is a science fiction story that reflects current social issues by using aliens, the unknown, and technological super science as allegory. On top of that, there's certain levels of story, actiony adventure, and continuity that are very much TREK that should be at play.

    I think Discovery TRIES to do all those things, but it misses the mark on one too many of them, or in some cases OVER-HITS the mark and feels like it is trying too hard.

    Finally, there is a tone to Trek that tells us that we can better human beings and that we should be idealistic about the future and what we have the potential to be.

    On THAT, I think Discovery missed the mark. It's not just the OMG GRITTY that does it-- DS9 was plenty dark and gritty-- but it never lost that core idealistic tone no matter how dark it got. Discovery is a bit too cynical to feel like Star Trek.

    I think the production design is killer-- thought I don't love the ship designs.

    The continuity will be the biggest sticking point. If they hadn't pre-sold us on it being Prime-verse maybe the reaction to it being obviously NOT wouldn't have been such a major point of alienation to a lot of fans.

    Cephus said: View Post
    It was also the truth. Some people can't handle the truth.
    I have no problem with truths, or having discussions-- slipping into political soapboxing and making nasty remarks about people don't have to be part of the conversation. I thought you had a point, but you chose to be ugly and snide about it.
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    6 Days Ago  Jan 14, 2018, 10:03 PM - Re: Star Trek: Discovery (2017) #1988

    Ok back to the show:


    HOLY CRAP! Wow. Great reveals!


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    5 Days Ago  Jan 15, 2018, 1:36 AM - Re: Star Trek: Discovery (2017) #1989

    Glad they're in the Mirror Universe now. Looking forward to seeing what's become of the Defiant over the last 100 years. Also wondering if Emperor Hoshi is the same Hoshi from Enterprise.
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    5 Days Ago  Jan 15, 2018, 2:31 AM - Re: Star Trek: Discovery (2017) #1990

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    Finally, there is a tone to Trek that tells us that we can better human beings and that we should be idealistic about the future and what we have the potential to be.

    On THAT, I think Discovery missed the mark. It's not just the OMG GRITTY that does it-- DS9 was plenty dark and gritty-- but it never lost that core idealistic tone no matter how dark it got. Discovery is a bit too cynical to feel like Star Trek.

    And that is what screams to me. Because the one word, the one word you will find repeated again and again in all the serious examining of Trek
    over the many decades now...
    Optimism. Humanity post WWIII learned it's lessons, we graduated. We built starships to explore the endless
    possibilities in space and through that exploration expand ourselves. Sagan's "Dreams are maps.", "Cartographers of human purpose"
    The difficult aliens and all kinds of obstacles to exploration for drama's sake are there to challenge our leveled up humanity and show us
    the way.
    And if necessary spend time around Orion slave girls god forbid. Tough missions sometimes keeping ratings up. But always
    they would remind us regularly with either a whole episode or at least a brief scene. Why, why are they aboard these starships,
    why challenge ourselves so far from home.

    Voyager's dedication plaque quotes Tennyson
    "For I dipt into the future far as human eye could see;
    Saw the Vision of the world and all the wonder that would be."

    That's the spine of Star Trek.
    They didn't include it. Like a suspension bridge without cables if we were looking at it from an engineering perspective, it can't be a bridge.
    Trek is sort of a bridge isn't it? From now to what we wish we could become.
    I would ask them why? Would they give an intentional reason they did this or stare at me like a deer in the headlights? Perhaps just laugh and
    step on Roddenberry's "box" in front of me.


    What else out there is positive about humanity's future?
    Dystopia and war reigns supreme. It's almost like it's not Sci Fi these days
    unless it contains those things.
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    5 Days Ago  Jan 15, 2018, 2:47 AM - Re: Star Trek: Discovery (2017) #1991

    There’s always been the sci-fi sub genre that pushes the satire and allegory to reflect darkness— post apocalyptic settings, dark futures— Blade Runner, Road Warrior, Terminator... but the reason subgenres exist is so we can pick and choose. You can certainly mix and match on occasion, but I don’t want my Trek bleak any more than I want my Blade Runner sunny and happy.
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    5 Days Ago  Jan 15, 2018, 3:52 PM - Re: Star Trek: Discovery (2017) #1992

    SethS said: View Post
    I have no problem with truths, or having discussions-- slipping into political soapboxing and making nasty remarks about people don't have to be part of the conversation. I thought you had a point, but you chose to be ugly and snide about it.
    Then you should probably talk to @Bryancd who just called @Cephus a snowflake. That's a political and personal insult. Let's be fair, Seth.
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    5 Days Ago  Jan 15, 2018, 4:13 PM - Re: Star Trek: Discovery (2017) #1993

    I'm not a mod. I didn't say it. I don;'t condone it. That's deflection.

    Cessnadriver asked me a question, and I answered him it. If Bryan gets his comment deleted, that's fair I suppose.
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    5 Days Ago  Jan 15, 2018, 4:26 PM - Re: Star Trek: Discovery (2017) #1994

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    Then you should probably talk to @Bryancd who just called @Cephus a snowflake. That's a political and personal insult. Let's be fair, Seth.
    I was using it ironically if you had read what he originally wrote.
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    5 Days Ago  Jan 15, 2018, 5:01 PM - Re: Star Trek: Discovery (2017) #1995

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/s...wgP#.sc1opVVbg

    It sounds more like ST runners were trying to avoid the backlash other shows had. It was a creative decision to kill the character and they sought to circumvent backlash by addressing it with GLAAD.

    There's no indication that the creative process was changed or swayed (or that it would have) by running it past GLAAD. However, there has been backlash despite that.

    Current co-showrunner Aaron Harberts is gay and I'm not sure how much input Bryan Fuller has on the show anymore (he is still listed as Executive Producer) - but, he is a gay man that's written gay characters (in fact, Fuller has some pretty smart quotes about gay characters on TV and elsewhere . I can understand some cautious footsteps - but, there has been nothing to indicate that there was influence on the creative process from outside sources. As a straight, white male - it's not something I can say I know a lot about... I'm not keen on PDAs from anyone.

    We now know MLK had influence over Nichelle Nichols decision not to leave TOS. In this information age, everything has become newsworthy - I wonder in Roddenberry had opted to talk to the NAACP or other organizations in the 60s if that would have been discussed like this is.
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    5 Days Ago  Jan 15, 2018, 5:08 PM - Re: Star Trek: Discovery (2017) #1996

    The latest episode made me realize something-- I wish there was a Mass Effect TV show... that and Mirror-universe Tilly should marry me.
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    5 Days Ago  Jan 15, 2018, 7:42 PM - Re: Star Trek: Discovery (2017) #1997

    Bryancd said: View Post
    I was using it ironically if you had read what he originally wrote.
    No, in fact I said quite clearly that I had "hidden" notifications concerning this topic.

    Also, irony and sarcasm work better with quotes.

    so stop complaining, "snowflake".
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    5 Days Ago  Jan 15, 2018, 7:44 PM - Re: Star Trek: Discovery (2017) #1998

    MrSouthpaw said: View Post
    No, in fact I said quite clearly that I had "hidden" notifications concerning this topic.

    Also, irony and sarcasm work better with quotes.
    Good point.
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    5 Days Ago  Jan 15, 2018, 9:14 PM - Re: Star Trek: Discovery (2017) #1999

    Bryancd said: View Post
    "Good point. "
    "Fixed" that for you.
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    4 Days Ago  Jan 16, 2018, 4:43 AM - Re: Star Trek: Discovery (2017) #2000

    MrSouthpaw said: View Post
    Then you should probably talk to @Bryancd who just called @Cephus a snowflake. That's a political and personal insult. Let's be fair, Seth.
    In some countries its also a deep seeded racist slur as well.

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