Star Trek: Discovery (2017)
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jlee562
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Scandal came to mind after I posted, then I felt dumb for leaving it off. How to Get Away with Murder is another.
Point being, "done to death" is certainly an exaggeration....even if we think of shows and movies with female leads (with no consideration of ethnicity) how many more can we already name? Orange is The New Black, Weeds, GLOW (ok, those are all Jenji Kohan, so that's kind of a gimme), Law and Order SVU, Voyager, Roseanne, Grey's Anatomy, Veep, Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Supergirl, X-Files, etc.
Anyways I don't think Martin-Green's comment was worth all the fuss. If Nichelle Nichols feels proud to see Sonequa on sceen, I'm not gonna rain on that parade.
jlee562
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Cute.
But even google displays the ridiculousness of your comment, because when you search for a list of shows with Black Female Characters, you don't actually get a list of shows of black female characters. The first result is TV Shows with Black Leads and puts Donald Glover up front.
The second is just female leads, which I addressed in my post above, and includes one show that was canceled.
Bones_68
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You're right and maybe it's foolish of me to try and give the show the benefit of the doubt based on the awful rollout so far. I'm just suggesting that we separate the salesmanship from the actual product. All indications so far is that they've made a show that is Star Trek in name only but we won't know until we've actually seen it, right?
MrSouthpaw
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More like Green is weaving a laurel out of nothing. Shows that are not Star Trek have had black female leads. She isn't blazing that trail. She isn't the first black or female or black female in anything.
The only trail she is blazing is the "My character has a higher rank than Uhura" and "My character has different genitals than Sisko" trail.
And how is Trek failed to portray diversity? Just because you say so?
No, none of those characters are Tragic Mulatto's. You basically have to ignore fundamental facts and relevant story arcs about those characters to make that judgement.
Cephus
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They don't make those in Hollywood these days. Instead, they just cater to SJW whiny sensibilities and virtue signal. Just hiring the best actor for the job is a thing of the past, now they have to tick all the demographic boxes on the regressive oppression stack.
jlee562
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For one, I didn't say Trek "failed" to portray diversity. I said that it didn't do it as well as some of you seem to think it has.
And who gets to decide how to characterize Trek's treatment of x, y, or z? A bunch of dudes on the RPF?
What specific pilot points do you feel negate the trope of tragic mullato?
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Some people just like to whine about lack of diversity these days.
What I whine about is lack of good, well written stories. And God forbid, if it's Star Trek, you show some deference to the 50 years of material that came before.
If Star Trek really wants to be diverse, where the Hell is the first Hispanic lead for a show?
What I whine about is lack of good, well written stories. And God forbid, if it's Star Trek, you show some deference to the 50 years of material that came before.
If Star Trek really wants to be diverse, where the Hell is the first Hispanic lead for a show?
Axlotl
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astroboy
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I completely agree. It's cheesy, but that makes it even more emotional.Controversial opinion - I actually really like the Enterprise music. With the montage of exploration, and the technology a bit more grounded to today, I thought it was a good approach. Not saying I'd want it from a new Trek series, but I thought it was effectively used for the show.
Still can't hear this new one, but it will probably only be the second best new Trekky theme this month.
Kinda like watching the final dance in dirty dancing.
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Zombie_61
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They missed an opportunity--the theme music should have been performed by a Mariachi band.
AnubisGuard
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Why did you say that name???
Nobody thinks they are. That's actually not what's been said here.
jlee562
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Nobody actually complained about the diversity (or lack thereof) in Trek, yet here we are.
MrSouthpaw
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Semantics. You think Trek is deficient, somehow, pursuant to diversity. In what respect?
According to your own reference a "Tragic Mulatto" must be sad or depressed, or possibly even suicidal concerning their mixed-race heritage.
-Spock doesn't display those traits regarding his heritage. And by the very nature of being emotionless, would not even feel them in the first place.
-Worf is not mixed-race, he's pure Klingon. His conflict with his heritage is usually honor or duty based. And a Klingon would rather die in glorious battle.
-Torres' conflict is mostly due to parental issues. She ends up working past those issues and embraces her heritage.
jlee562
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No, not semantics. I try to be very deliberate in my wording. If I had wanted to say Trek "failed," I would have said so.
You seem to to think no critical analysis of Trek is warranted.
Trek was and is deficient in its portrayal of LGBTQIA characters. This is the most glaring example, because it was something Gene promised to the fans. We are given episodes exploring romance (or, lust) between Riker and everybody; Geordi and the holodeck; Lwuxanna Troi, but not any same sex characters.
ST also portrays a specific type of multiculturalism, and it's a vision of cultural assimilation that not everybody finds liberating or groundbreaking. In that way, it's actually quite ironic to decry Trek (or Hollywood) being beholden to "SJW" values. If that were really the case, it would make your head spin. Here's a more expanded take on that idea: http://www.popmatters.com/post/94853-black-trekkie-tuning-out-to-tune-in/
That's not quite what the link says: "...who is assumed to be sad, or even suicidal, because they fail to completely fit into the 'white world' or the 'black world."
You keep pointing back to internal conflict stemming from heritage, but that's not really what the point of the "tragic mulatto" trope is. Rather, it's about the external conflict between self and society. Perhaps that's why you feel it doesn't apply to Worf or Spock. Torres being called "turtle head" is one such example.
Mulatto? Meh, meh and meh!
Yawn. So.... human and boring.
I'm not resting until there is a Mugato Captain depicted... as star!
Man that could be bad azz right? Like having General Ursus or something.
Yawn. So.... human and boring.
I'm not resting until there is a Mugato Captain depicted... as star!
Man that could be bad azz right? Like having General Ursus or something.
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