robn1
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Really? You want to name me some movies & shows you're thinking of?
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Really? You want to name me some movies & shows you're thinking of?
Sleepy Hollow and Scandal right off the top of my head...
The problem there is you sell a show on an actual network to a new group of people. You DO NOT sell a show to a new group of people you plan on making pay per view. There's no built in audience. The entire point of putting this on their streaming service is to get an established base of fans (star trek fans) to pay for their cbs re-run service. Once the built in fans are good with it, they spread the word and more and more people sign up, etc.
There's no point in using 'trek' in this at all if you're not after the built in base that comes with it. Therefore, you ought to be making an effort to get those people on board. Yet, nearly everything they've put out so far is driving that built-in base away. And quickly at that.
To top it off, they're apparently spending big on it as well. You don't do that either if you're after only a new audience.
I can't really believe how much they're promoting their diversity either frankly. In the 60's it was shockingly diverse. They weren't bragging about it, they just did it. As did every other iteration of trek. Now, for some reason, it's a big deal? I don't care if the lead is a black woman, purple man, or green alien. I don't care if anyone is gay or straight. Generally, it has nothing to do with any of the plots so it's irrelevant. Focus on your stories and worry about that stuff way down the road - if ever.
Trek is supposed to be in a time where we've transcended all that crap. Going out of your way to point it out defeats one of the themes of the show.
Some of y'all made a mountain out of a molehill in regards to Martin Green's comment.
Really, she is the first black female lead character in ST.
Has ST done diversity? Yes,
But not as well as some of you folks seem to think. ST has touched on these topics, but often in very tired tropes. Spock, Worf, and & B'elanna Torres are all archetypal "tragic mulatto" characters. Which is not to say that their story arcs aren't entertaining or worthwhile, but rather, that there's a different way to tell those stories.
I just wanted a show about exploring with great stories, interwoven with moral dilemmas. it's a shame that all the producers are doing is virtue signaling. If they really had something to be proud of, they would let the volume of the stories/episodes speak for themselves rather than constantly pushing one narrative.
It's very tiring, and rather than promote the so called inclusion they claim too...they only alienate and push long time fans away.
More like Green is weaving a laurel out of nothing. Shows that are not Star Trek have had black female leads. She isn't blazing that trail. She isn't the first black or female or black female in anything.
The only trail she is blazing is the "My character has a higher rank than Uhura" and "My character has different genitals than Sisko" trail.
And how is Trek failed to portray diversity? Just because you say so?
No, none of those characters are Tragic Mulatto's. You basically have to ignore fundamental facts and relevant story arcs about those characters to make that judgement.
If Star Trek really wants to be diverse, where the Hell is the first Hispanic lead for a show?
I completely agree. It's cheesy, but that makes it even more emotional.Controversial opinion - I actually really like the Enterprise music. With the montage of exploration, and the technology a bit more grounded to today, I thought it was a good approach. Not saying I'd want it from a new Trek series, but I thought it was effectively used for the show.
Still can't hear this new one, but it will probably only be the second best new Trekky theme this month.
They missed an opportunity--the theme music should have been performed by a Mariachi band.
*cough* martha! *cough*
Nobody thinks they are. That's actually not what's been said here.I don't think good stories and diversity are mutually exclusive either.
Nobody thinks they are. That's actually not what's been said here.
For one, I didn't say Trek "failed" to portray diversity. I said that it didn't do it as well as some of you seem to think it has.
And who gets to decide how to characterize Trek's treatment of x, y, or z? A bunch of dudes on the RPF?
What specific pilot points do you feel negate the trope of tragic mullato?
Semantics. You think Trek is deficient, somehow, pursuant to diversity. In what respect?
According to your own reference a "Tragic Mulatto" must be sad or depressed, or possibly even suicidal concerning their mixed-race heritage.
-Spock doesn't display those traits regarding his heritage. And by the very nature of being emotionless, would not even feel them in the first place.
-Worf is not mixed-race, he's pure Klingon. His conflict with his heritage is usually honor or duty based. And a Klingon would rather die in glorious battle.
-Torres' conflict is mostly due to parental issues. She ends up working past those issues and embraces her heritage.