Solo: A Star Wars Story
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JediMichael
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Wishful thinking, even if Leia isn't suppose to be in it anyways.
Mini-essay time! 
(Don't worry -- I know you hate 'em, so I'm honestly going to try to be brief.)
Regarding all the trooper variants. There are several things going on, interwoven. Evolution of the Republic/Imperial forces and their matèriel, specialist troopers, and battlefield-specific focus equipment, mainly. The core trooper is the core trooper. The Kaminoans made an army for the Republic, with armor based on the old Republic Troopers from thousands of years earlier -- the last time there'd been a standing military. That Phase I armor quickly proved not up to actual combat conditions, and many new variants were tried at the same time as attempts to improve the base kit were underway, leading through a couple transitional models to the Phase II.
I treat the stuff from the pre-ROTJ EU as tacitly in until it's not, except where it contradicts. So most of the armors from the books and games I recognize. From The Force Unleashed, I like the "Phase III" Stormtrooper armor, that has added some recognizable hallmarks of the OT Stormtroopers to the Phase II armor of ROTS, thus making the OT armor Phase IV. But even then there are variations. How much is component evolution and how much is due to different factories or better gear going to more elite units, I don't know, but can speculate. I feel the R1 version was an early Phase IV (IVa). They quickly realized the mistake of cutout tube stripes, due to that old military truism, "If there is an opening, dirt will get in it". So an idealized version of the ANH/ESB is what resulted (IVb). I see the ROTJ version as the next incremental iteration, with that "entire Legion of [the Emperor's] best troops" the first to be thus equipped (IVc).
Then there's the common mark of elite/veteran status all the way through the EU, all the way up to TFA. Black armored "shadow" versions of the main units. Troopers, Scouts, the Royal Guard... Different, better materials, advanced systems, etc. Improved sensor masking is one common hallmark. Stormtroopers have a higher level yet, the black-trimmed-with-gold Nova Troopers, who are the Stormtrooper equivalent of, basically, the President's Marine Guards.
Then there are the specialists. Pilots, armored-vehicle operators, officers, etc. I maintain everyone in the OT wearing a Stormtrooper-style faceplate was a Stormtrooper. Just as the Marines have their own pilots, not borrowed from the Navy or the Air Force. We see non-Stormtrooper armored-vehicle operators in Rebels and ROTJ. These specialists wear their outfits as standard.
...As distinct from all the environment-specific, weapon-specific, circumstance-optimized variants stocked in armories to be assigned as needed when a unit deploys to this situation or that planet. These are mostly not daily-wear, but replace or supplement the standard loadout of whatever that trooper normally wears.
And for all of these, the familiar terms are some of the nicknames and epithets the Rebels and the general populace use to refer to them. Proper military designations wouldn't be "Snowtrooper", for instance, but something like... "Stormtrooper Armor, Environment-optimized, Extreme Temperature, Cold". "Biker Scouts" or "Scout Troopers" are properly "Stormtrooper Scouts", and so on. So I need to see more of the role of the Mud Trooper, Range Trooper, and Patrol Trooper to come up with the actual T.O.O. niches they fill, and how much overlap or redundancy there might be with previously-established designs, but I can guarantee those are not the official Imperial designations for them.
--Jonah
(Don't worry -- I know you hate 'em, so I'm honestly going to try to be brief.)Regarding all the trooper variants. There are several things going on, interwoven. Evolution of the Republic/Imperial forces and their matèriel, specialist troopers, and battlefield-specific focus equipment, mainly. The core trooper is the core trooper. The Kaminoans made an army for the Republic, with armor based on the old Republic Troopers from thousands of years earlier -- the last time there'd been a standing military. That Phase I armor quickly proved not up to actual combat conditions, and many new variants were tried at the same time as attempts to improve the base kit were underway, leading through a couple transitional models to the Phase II.
I treat the stuff from the pre-ROTJ EU as tacitly in until it's not, except where it contradicts. So most of the armors from the books and games I recognize. From The Force Unleashed, I like the "Phase III" Stormtrooper armor, that has added some recognizable hallmarks of the OT Stormtroopers to the Phase II armor of ROTS, thus making the OT armor Phase IV. But even then there are variations. How much is component evolution and how much is due to different factories or better gear going to more elite units, I don't know, but can speculate. I feel the R1 version was an early Phase IV (IVa). They quickly realized the mistake of cutout tube stripes, due to that old military truism, "If there is an opening, dirt will get in it". So an idealized version of the ANH/ESB is what resulted (IVb). I see the ROTJ version as the next incremental iteration, with that "entire Legion of [the Emperor's] best troops" the first to be thus equipped (IVc).
Then there's the common mark of elite/veteran status all the way through the EU, all the way up to TFA. Black armored "shadow" versions of the main units. Troopers, Scouts, the Royal Guard... Different, better materials, advanced systems, etc. Improved sensor masking is one common hallmark. Stormtroopers have a higher level yet, the black-trimmed-with-gold Nova Troopers, who are the Stormtrooper equivalent of, basically, the President's Marine Guards.
Then there are the specialists. Pilots, armored-vehicle operators, officers, etc. I maintain everyone in the OT wearing a Stormtrooper-style faceplate was a Stormtrooper. Just as the Marines have their own pilots, not borrowed from the Navy or the Air Force. We see non-Stormtrooper armored-vehicle operators in Rebels and ROTJ. These specialists wear their outfits as standard.
...As distinct from all the environment-specific, weapon-specific, circumstance-optimized variants stocked in armories to be assigned as needed when a unit deploys to this situation or that planet. These are mostly not daily-wear, but replace or supplement the standard loadout of whatever that trooper normally wears.
And for all of these, the familiar terms are some of the nicknames and epithets the Rebels and the general populace use to refer to them. Proper military designations wouldn't be "Snowtrooper", for instance, but something like... "Stormtrooper Armor, Environment-optimized, Extreme Temperature, Cold". "Biker Scouts" or "Scout Troopers" are properly "Stormtrooper Scouts", and so on. So I need to see more of the role of the Mud Trooper, Range Trooper, and Patrol Trooper to come up with the actual T.O.O. niches they fill, and how much overlap or redundancy there might be with previously-established designs, but I can guarantee those are not the official Imperial designations for them.
--Jonah
Greenie
Sr Member
Looks like his wide face and jaw has been photoshopped
Mr Webber
Master Member
First I laughed, then I cried.
I really like these snappy trailers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUXd7p_vd3w
If there is one thing they do seem to have captured its a very OT vibe.
And the relationship between Han and Chewie seems fairly strong, which ,lets face it, is absolutely essentially if this is going to work.
If there is one thing they do seem to have captured its a very OT vibe.
And the relationship between Han and Chewie seems fairly strong, which ,lets face it, is absolutely essentially if this is going to work.
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The Han and Chewie stuff looks really great.
Yeah, I've got to admit I'm going from fairly afraid to watch this to, you know, this might not be bad at all. Good almost (he says with fingers, arms and legs crossed!). I actually laughed out loud at the "showing the cards" bit, that had some charm and nice humour to it!
Toadmeister
Sr Member
I liked that short spot too. Almost like they are trying to make this the SW version of Guardians of the Galaxy.
This could be good and bad. We know the prior directors were fired from what sounds like too much ham and Ron Howard was brought in to save this.
All that said it's a short marketing trailer and fun. Hope they arn't giving too many magic moments away.
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This could be good and bad. We know the prior directors were fired from what sounds like too much ham and Ron Howard was brought in to save this.
All that said it's a short marketing trailer and fun. Hope they arn't giving too many magic moments away.
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Yea okay that was fun and funny,I'll admit if they make Han and Chewie work then this might be a fun ride.
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I think Chewie has been the best part of most of these trailers.
Real Scooby
Well-Known Member
You know the perfect Han Solo backstory film?
One that follows Chewie, on a few adventures. Only to join up with Han at the very end of the film, only showing the back of him.
A bit like Rogue One. Where they mistakenly showed Leia's terrible CG face.
See to it that you never do. Never ever.
When I was in the US I wanted to experience most things "American". That included Denny's - unfortunately :sick
One that follows Chewie, on a few adventures. Only to join up with Han at the very end of the film, only showing the back of him.
A bit like Rogue One. Where they mistakenly showed Leia's terrible CG face.
See to it that you never do. Never ever.
When I was in the US I wanted to experience most things "American". That included Denny's - unfortunately :sick
MrSouthpaw
Sr Member
Love GOTG. Not at all interested in seeing inferior imitators.
Also, I find it kind of funny that AE needs those mondo platform boots. While Pratt is wearing boots made with the flattest thinnest sole that Skechers has for men's shoes.
TheMechanic
Sr Member
There's a Mando in one of the new Entertainment Weekly stills standing behind Paul Bettany.
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