Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Pre-release)

So Rey essentially downloaded all of her knowledge. That has to be one of the lamest explanations for her Force abilities.

Whoever comes up with this crap needs to go back to school and take fiction writing 101. Being able to clearly and concisely articulate your ideas through your words is a sign of your maturity as a writer.

Again, none if this appears in either of the films explicitly so it did not happen. It's not like fans are upset because their expectations are too high, it's because we take the previous entries in the series at face value and expect that they should logically fit together. The human brain is designed to look for patterns so naturally we will expect to see some logical continuity. Just because the writers come up with some convoluted excuse for gaps in the script does not make audiences dumb and it certainly does not make them smarter than us.

The more complicated the story concepts are and the more explanations that are needed only further prove their weakness as ideas. Depth isn't always derived from complexity. Some of the most profound truths are the simplest ones.
 
Meh... I can safely say that I've lost all interest in this trilogy. I would be more excited to see a new trailer for the solo movie than I would be to see the completed IX. TLJ, unlike TFA, didn't leave me wanting more, only wanting different. I sincerely hope that they make the next trilogy for at least twenty years, unless they promote Dave filoni to head up lfl
 
Exactly, they are more likely to make an Ahsoka movie then Wedge. Dennis Lawson turned down a part in TFA as it is.

No one is saying it should have featured wedge, or Nein Numb, or Lobot, or even Lando. It's that they shouldn't have dug a hole, dumped the OT heroes in it covered it up and said 'Luke who?' in essence.

Get over this BS on focusing on the new/new audience stuff. Even if they want a new audience, they won't get it without the existing audience. They definitely won't get remotely close to the box office they did without them. Not remotely close.

As noted above - you cater to the movie going public. They aren't going to know jack about any of the novels or comics or games. (I mean seriously, canon stuff somewhat related to the film occurs in BF????). They are going to know the movies. Period. And they won't know them remotely as well as we do here. So...for the overwhelming number of viewers (90%), Luke/Han went from defeating the empire to living crap lives and going back on their character arcs only to be unceremoniously killed off - simply to get rid of them - in these flicks.

Even if you want to argue the deaths are necessary - the backstory for between 6 and 7 could have been worked out SOOOOO much better without dumping all over them. They consciously chose to do that to make their new characters look better and it's a fail for most viewers.

It should be a warning to fans of the ST, as well. As soon as we're ready for a new group - you're characters are toast, too. Burnt toast at that.

Return to Oz wasn't very good either - but imagine if Dorothy came back from the first, had some bad luck and turned to prostitution to get by and that's where return to Oz picked up. People would have been horrified and turned on it in droves.

Frankly, that's right up there with turning Luke as a near murderer of his nephew whom, to that point, had done nothing wrong.
 
Meh... I can safely say that I've lost all interest in this trilogy. I would be more excited to see a new trailer for the solo movie than I would be to see the completed IX. TLJ, unlike TFA, didn't leave me wanting more, only wanting different. I sincerely hope that they make the next trilogy for at least twenty years, unless they promote Dave filoni to head up lfl

I've lost interest in Disney Star Wars,....They clearly don't have a clue where they are going, making it up movie to movie

Star Wars is dead

J
 
I've lost interest in Disney Star Wars,....They clearly don't have a clue where they are going, making it up movie to movie

Star Wars is dead

J


Yeah...

No one's lining up to see these films anymore.

Hardly anyone goes to those silly conventions.

No one would pay money to see a Star Wars land.

They'll never make another TV Show again.


Just like you said... Star Wars is dead.


Totally dead.
 
Yeah...

No one's lining up to see these films anymore.

Hardly anyone goes to those silly conventions.

No one would pay money to see a Star Wars land.

They'll never make another TV Show again.


Just like you said... Star Wars is dead.


Totally dead.

You are right of course

I had great optimism when George sold LFL to Disney,.....the good work they are doing with other IP's made me very happy, but now that things have settled & we can see that they started off on the wrong foot with TFA with it's rushed production

They need to get this trilogy finished so that they can really create something new,....not rely on what we have seen before,....as I said on another thread, I watched GotG Vol 2 the other day, it genuinely has a Star Wars '77 feel to it, the creativity, characters & fun reminds me of what Star Wars used to be like

At the minute SW is in limbo,....hopefully The GoT guys, Jon Favreau & Rian Johnston (if he's still around) get to move away from Empire & Rebels, TIE Fighters & X Wings in their new projects

J
 
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So Rey essentially downloaded all of her knowledge. That has to be one of the lamest explanations for her Force abilities.

In my opinion, they are stealing ideas from the Harry Potter series. Harry gained some of his magical ability through his connection with Voldemort. His ability to speak and understand Parseltongue for example. Which is similar to the "explanation" above of how Rey learned the mind trick from Kylo. We also have a scene in The Order of the Phoenix (I think??) in which Snape is trying to give Harry Occlumency lessons and Harry accidentally sees into Snape's memories. Then we have the supernatural lightsaber that chooses to be with Rey. A blatant ripoff of the HP wand concept. Rey doesn't know her parents, like Harry. Then there's the magic Jedi mirror in TLJ. There are others.
 
Speaking of the ancillary characters. I honestly do wish less of them were included in the new movies. I'm paraphrasing Mike from Half in the Bag but these people like Nien Numb and Leia and Ackbar are still fighting the same damn war, they've been in the exact same conflict for over 40 years...When Jurassic World was being made they deliberately didn't include any of the old characters stating it's not about getting the same 3 people in the exact same dino-situation over and over again til they drop dead (and then Jeff Goldblum shows up in the new trailer, ha!). Just move away from that conflict and these people in a proper way and see what else we can do in this SW sandbox (not much else).
 
Speaking of the ancillary characters. I honestly do wish less of them were included in the new movies. I'm paraphrasing Mike from Half in the Bag but these people like Nien Numb and Leia and Ackbar are still fighting the same damn war, they've been in the exact same conflict for over 40 years...When Jurassic World was being made they deliberately didn't include any of the old characters stating it's not about getting the same 3 people in the exact same dino-situation over and over again til they drop dead (and then Jeff Goldblum shows up in the new trailer, ha!). Just move away from that conflict and these people in a proper way and see what else we can do in this SW sandbox (not much else).

Part of my gripe about the over-condensing of the new story and necessary/useful information that's getting left out. Leia was a Senator in the New Republic government for a quarter century, until the scandal of Vader being her bio-dad came out and no one would believe her about the coming threat. Ackbar was retired and returned to join her resistance. We don't have any info about Nien Nunb, but if they're keeping with his old background of being an arms smuggler who helped the Rebellion, it's entirely likely that he was still around in the same capacity. I don't remember how long Sullustans live. Point is, they were all done with the military stuff for years and years, only to get dragged back into it by necessity. That sorta needed to be somewhere in the dialogue.

It's also the sort of subtext I can see being written in. George was making commentary on the military industrial complex and Viet Nam back in the OT, about Reagan/Bush/Bush II in the PT. There's a note of the Baby Boomers' "why do I still have to protest this bull$#!t?" in Leia's Resistance, and something of the young people now becoming politically active in the middle of very turbulent times.

As for Jurassic World, I still with Owen Grady hadn't been Owen Grady, but Tim Murphy, and played by the same actor who played him in the original Jurassic Park. He grew up well, is about the right age, and -- of everyone involved in the first mess -- is the one I can most see not being dissuaded by that experience, but instead becoming more involved, in the course of working through it. Not everything needs to be connected, but when an good, sensical, and organic connection like that exists and isn't pursued, it bugs me.

--Jonah
 
Since RJ literally destroyed what could have been EP8, JJ can still salvage some of what could have, should have and would have been in the proposed EP8 leading into EP9, but its going to be a hard sell. You can speed read by doing what it seems Disney did on RJ's script, read only the first line below and then forward to the last line.

RJ F'ed up EP8.

Rey's parents were indeed "nobody" as she wasnt birthed by the people she knew as her parents. She is the balance of the force having both dark and light sides. As I stated somewhere else in some other SW thread, look at her again in EP7, she changes from calm to angry, passive to aggressive when she is confronted, in combat or in contact with the dark side. The "absorb/download" others powers ability is there in EP7. Its just a shame with what we were force fed, pun intended, in EP8 with no revelations or realization of Rey's true identity. Not just her past but who she can and will be. Ball not only dropped, it wasnt even looked at.

Kylo Ren, seems to have been handled with the same outcome minus the "mo power, mo better" vibe that was to drive him. He could have, should have, would have been open about his intentions to over throw Snoke. Instead his character just takes over after a sub par 70's Solid Gold dance number with some red Tonka Toy looking, stop motion moving, umm, ahh, guards in what looked like a movie theater.

That brings me to,

Ill let you all in on a little art dept secret, the color red is used to visually distract or attract the eye. It can be something as simple as a throw blanket on a sofa to distract from the fact a production has no budget for furniture or the surroundings do not match the character in question (I.E. Stan is a junkie living in a run down house yet the budget only allows us to film at the directors trendy apartment so lets darken the room by putting a red blanket halfway over the table lamp allowing us to throw color and hide the $4k sofa). Red was overly used in EP8 for no other reason but visual. There was no mental mind games going where red signified a change being replaced by blue or vice versa.

Luke, quite possibly the most wasted pop culture character of all time in the end in EP8. The could have, should have, would have Luke is a self exiled crazed master Jedi that has seen both far back and farther forward into the future to come to his own realization not only the Sith need to to be stopped but the Jedi as well. Without one there can not be the other as the balance is offset. To truly destroy the Sith, the Jedi must also be destroyed simultaneously. The entirety of the Jedi knowledge has been forced into his mind. Through seeking a positive outcome, and a balance/solution, Luke looks into the dark side. Not to join it but to seek out what drives dark force users to become "evil". This is what ends up driving Luke to madness. To understand your enemy you must understand what drives them, but the dark side will show you what you want to see yet not always what it really is. Therefore, how do you know what you are seeing or feeling is real? Again, this can be looked upon as actually being in RJ's EP8, but handled horribly. Now were left with a Luke force ghost that will likely embed his knowledge and power into Rey then "let go" allowing her to make final decisions. It will be a great time to have force ghost Ben to make an appearance as it should have been Ben in EP8 with Yoda looking onwards. Yes Yoda was the teacher, but Ben was his mentor.

It seems as if RJ had no idea what to do with both Fin and Poe. All the same for Chewie (that oddly enough looked like a guy in a monkey suit) nor the droids. Instead of focusing on the existing characters we're given the terribly written, acted and portrayed Rose, Captain purple long neck out of left field, in a seriously WTF character of WTF characters a hacker thief with a laughable stutter, hilariously 90's hip hop ball cap thats not only rewarded but given an all out escort by the First Order after he has helped infiltrate and potentially destroy its main fleet ship. All of these new characters need to just go away in EP9 and the focus put back on the main characters. But, will Disney not only learn but accept its mistakes made with EP8, doubtful at best.

What is it with RJ and kids in his movies? That is what killed Looper for me and the same thing is shoe horned into EP8. In the end EP8 isnt a Star Wars movie. It doesnt look, feel or run like a SW movie. Instead its near a parody homage to the genre with commercial style humor built in, can you hear me now? If RJ wants to make art house Star Wars movies by all means, give the guy a Star Wars Story but keep the trilogies looking and feeling like Star Wars. The worst part is, I think RJ could have made a great Boba Fett film.

There is too much now to fix, resolve and little left story wise to go on with EP9. The only way to save this trilogy or even end it making any sense, there needs to be an EP10.
 
Star Wars fans: "If it's not in the movie, it doesn't matter."
Also SW fans: "Muh precious EU!!!! Waaaaah!"

The EU was never required to understand or explain what was going on in the original 3 movies. If not a single comic book, novel, video game, board game, whatever was done the movies could still confidently stand on their own. I know it's easy to try and wash things together, but that won't make statements like that correct.
I for one don't give a toss about the EU anyway (which is why I don't care about the anthology movies either), but I realize I'm in the minority.

I guess he saw the script and thought this is c#@! - The signs were there all along.

Denis Lawson is uncle or cousing to Ewan McGregor and apparently told Ewan back before TPM not to get involved in Star Wars for whatever reasons he had. So his dislike goes way back.
 
Denis Lawson is uncle or cousing to Ewan McGregor and apparently told Ewan back before TPM not to get involved in Star Wars for whatever reasons he had. So his dislike goes way back.

I don’t think he dislikes his participation in the films, he does the convention circuit. I recall he just wasn’t motivated for a brief cameo in TFA.
 
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