Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Pre-release)
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sztriki
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Amen to that. All the fan-theory crap is going to climb high with people with too much time on their hands trying to explain who died and who didn't die in Ep8 due to Force projections...same story with the Rey/Snoke theories after TFA.
That being said I don't think this would really be addressed anymore especially given that the two strongest force users who were able to play with this projection business are dead. I'ts probably just going to be ignored along with the hyperspace kamikaze just like Khan's magic reviving blood after Into Darkness.
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Keycube
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We're actually in full agreement here. Which is nice.
FWIW, I just don't call him Kylo Ren very often, as I think it does him a disservice, and makes me an enabler of sorts for his weaknesses. He'll find his strength. :thumbsup
I told you my admiration of him wasn't healthy. :lol
I didn’t think it was terrible but I was a bit “Huh..” with the entire conceit. I would be fine not revisiting that. I do like “Force Time” though, it opens the door to some interesting possibilities.
sztriki
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To be fair the Force-Time was already there in Empire in a way, albeit without any visual manifestation. Which then overlaps with the projection concept so here we go...
Quality of the scene notwithstanding, it sets the precedent that a force ghost can interact with the physical world beyond appearing and speaking.
sztriki
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I don't know, I guess we all have different interpretations, to me that never was him really sitting and pushing the trunk with his weight if you know what I mean. If he put his hand on Luke or kicked a stone or something yea, but I always took that as a simple visual thing. Much like when Yoda appeared between Ben and Anakin sitting on he handrail, I never took it as he had to climb up or be supported, simply a tool of not making him comically short and fit in the close-up shot. Then again Ben did put his hand on Yoda's shoulder in the end. So I dunno, maybe. But then it would be in Robot Chicken realm if Force ghosts just appeared everywhere and started stealing people's coffees and doing pranks or fighting them.
Force use equaling a physical effort is nonsense. It should be no more physically straining to force project
I think it's less about physical effort than the whole "let the Force flow" thing. An individual channeling the Force is like a light bulb filament. Even the best Jedi or other Force-wielder will have some physical resistance imparted by "this crude matter". The more one channels, for longer periods of time, the higher the risk one will burn oneself out. This happened back in the old EU.
So I think the line "The effort would kill you" is verbal shorthand, or Ben not really "getting" how the Force works yet (he was only half trained, and his knowledge of the Force has been definitely skewed for who knows how long), or even just questionable wording on the writer's part. But the underlying implication I agree with. I'd have to sit down and figure out as succinct a way to get that across.
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Mr Webber
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None of the elements that made TLJ so bad were present in the TFA and the fact that Abrams is comfortable working with big budgets and is already established as a heavy hitter and not trying to make a personal statement is the only reason I will be paying any attention to this movie.
Poe was a great creation in TFA and I`m sure that Abrams will return all the aspects that made his character so enjoyable.
seelsa73
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When Anakin Solo died in the old EU, it was from Force expenditure. He was fatally wounded at the time and would have died anyway, but his excessive use of the Force in his deteriorating condition is what killed him.
MrSouthpaw
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If Force use burnt out the light-bulb, I would think Yoda's smaller body of crude matter should have burnt out from his stronger use of the Force a long time ago.
I would also question why this act alone would physically strain and kill a user. Why not all force use? Why didn't Yoda just die on the spot when he lifted the X-Wing? He was already close to death.
If you look at it like something that can burn you out in a fashion. Then Yoda was whipping Luke into killing himself by driving him to make grander use of the force.
A more real answer, and what I think. RJ doesn't understand or doesn't care about how the force works and needed to contrive a way to kill Luke Skywalker. It's smarter for the force to have no such physical component and RJ is not a smart writer that thinks about the consequences of his actions.
Mr Webber
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This guy is a classic shill but he`s a cutting edge one.
He realises that he is on the wrong end of the equation so makes a video that at the start, throws in the standard initial run box office figures and that he enjoyed TLJ to keep in Disneys good books and then proceeds to list most of the reasons why the film is such a failure. Smart Shill indeed.
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jhazard
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Collided pulled a similar move, in spirit, in their Jedi Council show recently. They're all very careful to note box office totals, and personal affection for TLJ, yet the meat of their conversation recently seemed to address similar points that Campea highlighted.
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Mr Webber
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All the shills have done the math and finally realise that people arent buying the crap they are selling and they are losing credibility fast, really fast. Theres no point pandering to Disney if people are not going to take any notice of you full stop. The box office is officially dead, having fallen way short of TFA and toy sales are at pretty much zero, even Hasbro has ripped up the contract after 2020 to make anything from Star Wars. The home market is looking equally terrible.
Add another shill to the list of those jumping off as fast as they can as even this guy is reporting now on how bad things are looking for the future. Bye Bye Ruin.
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TheDavisBros
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Who here can't wait for the Rian Johnson trilogy!!!
Mr Webber
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TheDavisBros
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I'll send a link when I start itStart a thread about it....if you dare.:lol
Didnt think you would...
JD
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I'll send a link when I start it
There is a thread: Rian Johnson to write and direct a new trilogy of films.. (Star Wars Universe)
Looking forward to RJ's trilogy more than I am Solo.
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