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    Jan 14, 2015, 10:02 PM - One-Stop 11' TOS Enterprise Reference Thread: NCC-1701, No Bloody A... #1

    TRIBUTE VIDEO BY SPOCKBOY!
    [Added July 14, 2016]

    This is so fantastic, I thought it deserved to be right here at the top of the thread. Of all the "thank yous" I've seen hither and yon, on the boards and social media, this is the best -- short, to the point, and just beautiful. Special thanks to Spockboy for painstakingly rotoscoping the newly restored Enterprise back into the Final Frontier. RIght where she belongs.




    And now, back to the regular thread...

    The One-Stop 11' TOS Enterprise Reference Thread: NCC-1701, No Bloody A...

    Fellow member BrianM suggested over in the Enterprise Restoration Thread that there should be a one-stop Enterprise thread, and I agreed. Since I'm sitting on quite a lot of links, reference, and my own photos of the Enterprise taken over the years in the Smithsonian gift shop, I thought I'd just jump in and take a crack at it. I asked the Mods to consider this thread for sticking, and they stuck it. Thanks, Mods!!

    Post your links in this thread, and I'll update this post so we can keep the most interesting and current links right here up front. It goes without saying that any errors or omissions in this post are my own damn fault, and I'll fix them as I become aware of them in my ongoing effort to erase all my unpleasant memories, or at least get rid of the evidence. (Okay, well, I guess it didn't go without saying...)

    Here we go:

    Relevant RPF Threads:

    The Enterprise Restoration Project Thread - Discussion of the Smithsonian's 2014 - 2016 in-house restoration of the original model prior to its new home in the upcoming Boeing Milestones of Flight Hall at the National Air and Space Museum.

    Steve Neill's 66" Scratch-build Thread - Epic project by Steve Neill, an industry model maker, MUFX artist, and Trek enthusiast. Full of eye-popping photos, advanced techniques, and incredible tips on large-model mastering, molding, and casting. An absolute must-read!

    David Shaw's 33" Scratch-build Thread - Still underway as of this posting, based on extensive research of the 33" model's unique features, and looking fantastic.

    David Shaw's 1/6 Scratch-build Thread - That's 1/6 scale to the original 11' model, not to real life (where would you put it?). Done as a model of the model, not the starship, with an eye toward learning more about the studio model! And the hits just keep on comin'! [Added 1/23/15]

    Commander Max's 11' Scratch-build Thread - Embarrassed to say I missed this first time through! Doesn't get much more epic than this, and it's looking incredibly good! [Added 1/15/15]
    [Update -- 2/5/16] Unfortunately all the pictures have been taken down and there are some inaccuracies, but some of the text still has good information.

    External Links About the Original Studio Models:

    (Somewhat) NEW! NASM's "Star Trek Starship Enterprise" page, with links to all their blog articles and gallery images!

    (Kinda) NEW! Gary Kerr's report, "Finding the Nuts and Bolts of the Enterprise," a sure-fire nerdgasm for the rivet-counters!
    (Not as) NEW! (as last month) NASM REVEALS THE RESTORATION PAINT CODES!!! Please, RPFeeps, let's not start a nationwide run on Benjamin Moore "Heather Gray" # 2139-40. You'll scare the paint store people. Thanks to Opus Penguin for the link!

    Gary Kerr's HobbyTalk thread
    kicks off with major revelations about the original nacelle domes. Thanks to CessnaDriver for posting the link!!

    The Washington Post
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    announcement about the model's going on display as of Tuesday, June 28th. Yay!

    The Enterprise, NCC-1701 and the Model Maker on Amazon! Fascinating information about the construction of both the 33" and 11' models from the son and daughter of Richard Datin, the original builder! A wonderful read at a bargain price!

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    From the Buffalo City News Online, NASM Chief Conservator Malcolm Collum has enlisted his alma mater's help in using state-of-the-art materials analysis to identify the glues keeping the ol' girl together! (Somebody should give Cher their phone number!)

    TrekCore's gallery of shots from the 2016 Open House at Udvar-Hazy! Among other things, there's a great shot of the area on the saucer top that was test cleaned, and it looks amazing!

    Great little piece on Space.com, plus a nice downloadable photo gallery!

    Popular Mechanics article about the 2016 Udvar-Hazy Open House. Take the details (and some of the spelling) in the article with a grain of salt, since the writer seems to have confused some of what Ariel O'Connor, Malcolm Collum, and Margaret Weitecamp were actually saying -- but it's still a fascinating read.

    The Smithsonian Page on the Current (2014 - 2016) Restoration Project - Follow developments here!

    NASM's X-Ray Analysis of the Starship Enterprise - Information and X-Rays from the 1999 analysis of the model by the Smithsonian!

    TrekCore Interviews with Dr. Margaret Weitekamp from NASM on the 2014 - 2016 Restoration - This link is the most recent as of this posting, from Dec. 2014. Links for the prior interviews are also found here.

    TrekCore Enterprise Model Archive Page - TrekCore's page listing all of their blog entries about the 2014 - 2016 restoration. Excellent stuff! [Added 2/15/15]

    The Enterprise Models Page at Star Trek History - A great gallery of vintage photos of both the 33" and 11' models and VFX production stills. Also check out the Star Trek History Home Page for great restored production photos, deleted scenes, and articles about the history of the show.

    David Shaw's Page on the 33" Enterprise Model - David's put quite a lot of work and painstaking research into tracking down the history of this missing model. He discusses it here, and includes links to download his construction plans, his recreation of Matt Jeffries' own plans, his list of the 33" model's major dimensions, and even more TOS links!

    Alan Sinclair's Blueprints of the Original 11' Enterprise - Still free, and still among the best! [Now linked to the revised version on the LCARS Blueprint Database -- 6/4/16]

    Charles Casimiro's Blueprints of the Original 11' Enterprise - Top-notch blueprints at Cygnus X-1, and I'd never heard of these! Thanks, FlyingDachshund! - [Added 1/15/15]

    Archive of the IDIC Page Photos - A collection of William McCullars' photos on his page from the 90s, along with some photos from the now-defunct Drex Files.

    Wayback Machine Web Archive of the IDIC Page - Some dead links as you'd expect, but the IDIC Page lives on! Thanks, robn1! - [Added 1/15/15]

    Gallery of the Controversial 1991 Restoration by Ed Miarecki - Excellent high-resolution photos of the restoration in progress, including stunning photos of the model disassembled and sanded down to her original paint. Even her innards are exposed! On Modeler Magic.

    The Star Trek Blueprints Library at Cygnus X-1 - All kinds of blueprints are archived here, even the old (but beloved) Franz Joseph blueprints. And not just the Enterprise - this page is a genuine wonderland of Trek blueprints and manuals.

    Trekplace - A whole site chock-full of amazing interviews and articles about the Enterprise and lots of other Trek-related topics. Even a shot-by-shot reference of TOS Enterprise FX shots!

    HobbyTalk Blueprints Discussion Thread - Very good discussion comparing the Sinclair and Casimiro blueprints; includes thoughtful commentary by Phil Broad, Gary Kerr, and David Shaw! Thanks, FlyingDachshund! - [Added 1/15/15]

    American Cinematographer Oct. 1967 Article - "Out-of-this-World Special Effects for 'Star Trek,'" by Howard Anderson, Linwood Dunn, and Joseph Westheimer. Not a great reference for the model, but very interesting information about how the VFX were achieved, written by the three VFX directors themselves. Includes rare photos from the Space Seed shoot. Take the dimensions given for the models with a grain (or a pound) of salt - three different VFX supervisors all give different dimensions, and they're all wrong. Go figure. - [Added 2/3/15]

    Other Photos, Videos, and Galleries:

    SPACEDOCK, a video by William George covering the repainting of the original model by the conservation team at Udvar-Hazy!


    Tribble Trial Tends Toward Trouble, at the NASM web site. Very funny, with a particularly sublime pun in the second-to-last paragraph.

    TrekCore's Structural Integrity Video! Brace yourself for awesome! (See what I did there?)
    Thanks to CessnaDriver for the link!


    Trekcore's Teaser Video, "A Photo Finish!" Margaret Weitecamp talks about the newest pictures NASM received after last year's public appeal! Thanks to Cessna Driver for the link! [Added 2/6/2016]


    Lou Dalmaso's Video of Margaret Weitecamp's talk on Jan. 30, 2016. I was sitting behind Lou while he taped it, but I moved to the front row to get away from an asshat who was doing a running commentary, and I didn't get a chance to say Hi. How rude of me! Thanks, Robn1, for the link!


    ASALaw's Gallery of Shots from the 2016 Udvar-Hazy Open House
    - Over 150 shots of the ol' gal in pieces, with revelations we've spent decades whining for!

    Birdofthegalaxy's Photostream on Flickr
    - An immense collection of restored pictures of the Enterprise, including VFX production shots, and tons of restored TOS photos, slate shots, publicity stills, and more!

    Enterprise Schematics on TrekCore - Pretty interesting, including more drawings by Alan Sinclair.

    BrianM's Gallery of Shots from the 2015 Viewing - Fantastic shots of the ol' gal on display at the Smithsonian's Udvar-Hazy Center in Chantilly, Va. on January 24, 2015 -- including shots taken of the port side by Chief Conservator Malcolm Collum! Here's Page 1, and here's Page 2! Or download the whole high-res shebang in one zip file!
    Keep it comin', folks -- bring on your links, photos, videos, comments, stories, and whatever else 1701 you've got!
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    Jan 15, 2015, 12:22 AM - Re: One-Stop 11' TOS Enterprise Reference Thread: NCC-1701, No Bloody A... #2

    This thread is a little old, but it has a good comparison of the Sinclair and Casimiro plans, with some input from Gary Kerr and Shaw...

    http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/showthread.php?t=188911

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    Jan 15, 2015, 4:52 AM - Re: One-Stop 11' TOS Enterprise Reference Thread: NCC-1701, No Bloody A... #3

    Another great resource thread. Awesome and many thanks.
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    Jan 15, 2015, 5:41 AM - Re: One-Stop 11' TOS Enterprise Reference Thread: NCC-1701, No Bloody A... #4

    FlyingDachshund said: View Post
    This thread is a little old, but it has a good comparison of the Sinclair and Casimiro plans, with some input from Gary Kerr and Shaw...

    http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/showthread.php?t=188911

    Mark in Okinawa
    Thanks! Added.
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    Jan 15, 2015, 6:05 AM - Re: One-Stop 11' TOS Enterprise Reference Thread: NCC-1701, No Bloody A... #5

    Some of the IDIC Page articles are available here http://web.archive.org/web/200807191...page/main.html
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    Jan 15, 2015, 6:22 AM - Re: One-Stop 11' TOS Enterprise Reference Thread: NCC-1701, No Bloody A... #6

    robn1 said: View Post
    Some of the IDIC Page articles are available here http://web.archive.org/web/200807191...page/main.html
    Thanks! Added.

    WOO-HOO!
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    Jan 15, 2015, 2:55 PM - Re: One-Stop 11' TOS Enterprise Reference Thread: NCC-1701, No Bloody A... #7

    This is excellent, thank you.
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    Jan 15, 2015, 4:32 PM - Re: One-Stop 11' TOS Enterprise Reference Thread: NCC-1701, No Bloody A... #8

    Thanks for doing this.

    I'll be adding my gazillion shots from the open house. 9 days and counting...
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    Jan 15, 2015, 9:09 PM - Re: One-Stop 11' TOS Enterprise Reference Thread: NCC-1701, No Bloody A... #9

    Thanks - and I'll be looking forward to it!
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    Jan 23, 2015, 9:21 PM - Re: One-Stop 11' TOS Enterprise Reference Thread: NCC-1701, No Bloody A... #10

    Another RPF page "discovered" -- that is, I finally "discovered" the page was there, much the same way I often "discover" a large building I've been walking past for years. Usually with my face. Trained observer, that's me!

    Anyhoo, it's David Shaw's 1/6 scale "model of the model" -- check it out!!
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    Jan 24, 2015, 3:30 PM - Re: One-Stop 11' TOS Enterprise Reference Thread: NCC-1701, No Bloody A... #11

    Here's an album of pictures I took of the big E at Udvar-Hazy this afternoon. It was probably the closest I'll ever get to the thing. It'll be interesting to see how different she looks after the restoration.

    https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...1&l=10e73c0fbe
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    Jan 24, 2015, 8:21 PM - Re: One-Stop 11' TOS Enterprise Reference Thread: NCC-1701, No Bloody A... #12

    TimeyWimey said: View Post
    Here's an album of pictures I took of the big E at Udvar-Hazy this afternoon. It was probably the closest I'll ever get to the thing. It'll be interesting to see how different she looks after the restoration.

    https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...1&l=10e73c0fbe
    Those are awesome! @BrianM had his DSLR too, and he got a ton of shots, and -- get this -- he asked Malcolm Collum, the chief conservator, to take his camera and do a walk-around -- AND HE DID IT!!!!!! WOOHOO!!!! So when Brian gets back home to the OC (and comes up for air), he's gonna treat us to a massive E-injection!! Not to mention, there were a whole lotta RPF members in attendance, and they all had cameras, so relax, go make popcorn, and watch it all roll in.

    I shot video of Mr. Collum doing the walk-around, I'm emailing him tonight to give him some contacts I promised, I'll ask his permission to post it. Nothing momentous, but the cool factor is just too much not to want to post it. Seriously, I've been five years old all day today, and I'm still geeking out, so please bear with me if I seem a bit giddy, because I totally am.

    I didn't shoot a whole lot myself today, because I have so many shots of her already, but I did get a bunch of close shots of the saucer. Not going to post them all just yet, too much going on tonight and I have a meeting with the MOSF folks tomorrow that I have to prep for, plus I've got a 55-hour work week starting Monday, so basically I've gotta wedge stuff in here and there. Besides, I have a hunch Brian and others we didn't happen to run into are gonna be posting pix like crazy!

    However....

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    CAN WE PLEASE STOP ARGUING ABOUT THE PENCIL GRID LINES AND THE RUST RING? THEY'RE THERE.
    K?Thx...
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    Jan 24, 2015, 9:06 PM - Re: One-Stop 11' TOS Enterprise Reference Thread: NCC-1701, No Bloody A... #13

    That's great! We got Mr Collum to bring out the Desilu stand!
    Here's my pics

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    Jan 24, 2015, 9:08 PM - Re: One-Stop 11' TOS Enterprise Reference Thread: NCC-1701, No Bloody A... #14

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    That's it! Also took a TON of Ho-229 pics and have a standing invite to come see it privately soon!!
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    Jan 24, 2015, 9:14 PM - Re: One-Stop 11' TOS Enterprise Reference Thread: NCC-1701, No Bloody A... #15

    I talked to Gary Kerr today too - he maintains the green streaks were there even in the 1970s, and the dish with the "Tic-Tac" was a best guess mock up, and they are replacing with a more accurate one... and if $$ and time permits, the lower saucer dome nipple and phaser emitter.
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    Jan 24, 2015, 10:26 PM - Re: One-Stop 11' TOS Enterprise Reference Thread: NCC-1701, No Bloody A... #16

    We seem to have picked a lot of the same details to highlight, I think we have similar details that we've been hoping to try to see more clearly.

    Flashing back to about 1981, this is what I remember seeing in the downtown NASM, missing the dome on top of the bridge, and with bright red hemispheres on the noses of the engines:

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    Jan 24, 2015, 11:43 PM - Re: One-Stop 11' TOS Enterprise Reference Thread: NCC-1701, No Bloody A... #17

    Great pics keep em coming!
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    Jan 25, 2015, 12:12 AM - Re: One-Stop 11' TOS Enterprise Reference Thread: NCC-1701, No Bloody A... #18

    moffeaton said: View Post
    I talked to Gary Kerr today too - he maintains the green streaks were there even in the 1970s, and the dish with the "Tic-Tac" was a best guess mock up, and they are replacing with a more accurate one... and if $$ and time permits, the lower saucer dome nipple and phaser emitter.
    Wait, Gary Kerr was there? Crap. I would've loved to meet him.

    We must've just missed you, since when we got there the stand was already out. What a day, though -- amazing all around, and for me, the icing on the cake was hustling over to Dr. Weitekamp's lecture and suddenly coming across a certain beloved Greg Jein joint on permanent display...

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    Boy, am I ever coming back for a metric frakload of pictures... but that's for another thread, I suppose...
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    Jan 25, 2015, 12:50 PM - Re: One-Stop 11' TOS Enterprise Reference Thread: NCC-1701, No Bloody A... #19

    Thanx very much for putting this thread together, and thx to those that uploaded the pics...
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    Jan 25, 2015, 7:12 PM - Re: One-Stop 11' TOS Enterprise Reference Thread: NCC-1701, No Bloody A... #20

    GREAT pics guys!

    I didn't get any photos better than the ones already posted but I do have some interesting tidbits to share.


    The structure is in good condition overall, it's the original glue that's failing. The model will most likely be disassembled pretty significantly to have new glue applied and some areas (like where the nacelle pylons attach) will be shimmed to increase their durability.


    They discovered that the nacelles had weight added to the far ends back in 1975 to help counterweight the model when it had been displayed hanging from the ceiling. Unfortunately those weights had not been removed during the 1991 restoration, probably because they didn't know they weren't original. Once the current team removed that weight they learned that the nacelles are fairly light and well balanced and probably will NOT need additional support in the new display.


    The model will receive new LED lighting to allow it to be displayed lit more often.


    The model will be repainted (other than the saucer top) to match as closely as is possible the model's final appearance in 1969.


    They have not decided what they are going to do with the unfinished side of the model. with one of the men involved in the restoration I do have some interesting tidbits to share.

    He said the structure is in good condition overall, it's the original glue that's failing. The model will most likely be disassembled pretty significantly to have new glue applied and some areas (like where the nacelle pylons attach) will be shimmed to increase their durability.

    They discovered that the nacelles had weight added to the far ends back in 1975 to help counterweight the model when it had been displayed hanging from the ceiling. Unfortunately those weights had not been removed during the 1991 restoration, probably because they didn't know they weren't original. Once the current team removed that weight they learned that the nacelles are fairly light and well balanced and probably will NOT need additional support in the new display.

    The model will receive new LED lighting to allow it to be displayed lit more often.

    The model will be repainted (other than the saucer top) to match as closely as is possible the model's final appearance in 1969.

    They have not decided what they are going to do with the unfinished side of the model.
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    Jan 25, 2015, 8:49 PM - Re: One-Stop 11' TOS Enterprise Reference Thread: NCC-1701, No Bloody A... #21

    WinstonWolf359 said: View Post
    The model will be repainted (other than the saucer top) to match as closely as is possible the model's final appearance in 1969.
    Gosh, I hope that isn't an exact quote... that is what Ed Miarecki said about the 1992 paint job.

    The Enterprise last went before the cameras during the second season of TOS... so on film the last new footage was from late 1967. Every shot of the 11 foot model in the third season was from previously shot stock footage from the first two seasons and the pilots.
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    Jan 25, 2015, 9:56 PM - Re: One-Stop 11' TOS Enterprise Reference Thread: NCC-1701, No Bloody A... #22

    The quote was more along the lines of "last filmed appearance..." Essentially, they want to match the original level of weathering and match the color of the saucer as it currently appears. Seeing it outside of the glass box it had been in makes it starkly apparent how different the green tone is between the saucer top and the rest of the ship's 1991 paint.
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    Jan 26, 2015, 12:28 AM - Re: One-Stop 11' TOS Enterprise Reference Thread: NCC-1701, No Bloody A... #23

    Yeah, Malcom Collum mentioned that since the painting was done inside Miarecki's shop, the lighting conditions could have thrown off the color match. Inside the conservation lab, with the white walls and white lighting, the mismatch was glaring. I asked Dr. Weitekamp during her lecture Q&A if they had tried tracking down the original FX camera negatives (not the dupe negs used in the HD remastering), and she wasn't sure if they still existed or whether they'd be a lot of help color-wise.

    I thought about it some more -- after all, you've got that big-ass Ultimatte blue screen in the back as your color reference -- but then there's the issue of the lighting on the model.

    First, it may not be the same color values as the light on the blue screen -- those are completely separate lighting setups, carefully flagged off to keep either one from spilling on the other. And they still got lots of blue spill on the model, as all those shots of the model with big grainy voids show.

    Second, there was a lot of light on the model so they could stop down to maintain depth of field, which became more critical the closer the camera got to the model. And that would wash out the lighter values of the paint as well as lighten the darker values. Maybe you could digitally recover that color information on a Da Vinci or something, maybe not.

    In other words, even if you found them and pulled really good frames from them, a 100% color match is not a slam-dunk.
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    Jan 26, 2015, 6:48 AM - Re: One-Stop 11' TOS Enterprise Reference Thread: NCC-1701, No Bloody A... #24

    I also wonder if the 1960s paint is yellowing at a different rate from the 1991 paint. They might have been a closer match 25 years ago. That wouldn't explain the heavy weathering, of course, but I was really surprised by how stark the difference is in overall hue.
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    Jan 26, 2015, 11:10 AM - Re: One-Stop 11' TOS Enterprise Reference Thread: NCC-1701, No Bloody A... #25

    Close ups show the top of the saucer paint has lots of cracks.
    Just leave it? do they plan on some kind of stabilization or attempt to paint in the cracks?

    As for the undetailed side, it's not that undetailed really. Seems to me you could put removable light weight
    parts on held by magnets or even velcro, and faux windows, of course the wiring will have to be concealed but since they
    are tearing her down all that might be possible rerouting things. Enough to make it more presentable, but nothing permanent I guess is what I would suggest.

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