Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Pre-release)

Wow! I can’t believe the divisiveness I’m seeing in here. Hopefully I can thoroughly enjoy it tomorrow!

Without spoiling can someone explain why it sucks.
From a trchnical film perspective it's neither a story-centric film or a character piece. Pacing is a mess. A lot of our of character moments. Some scenes that just happen... without impact. Humor that takes the weight away from otherwise serious scenes. Worst of all... It's just not Star Wars.

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My spoiler free review as posted on Rotten Tomatoes...

I have a love-hate relationship with The Last Jedi. Rian Johnson has managed to make a very divisive film that fanboys will argue about for years to come.

There is obvious good and bad in this film. The bad can be glaringly bad; the good might be a little more difficult to see. But, there is much more good in this new Star Wars than there is bad. Where The Force Awakens was carefully crafted to recall the original trilogy, Rian Johnson has made a film that’s all over the map, yet still retains this loving tribute to all the films that came before it.

The Last Jedi, arguably, strays from what we’ve seen and known about the Star Wars Universe. At times, if feels a bit too much as “expanded universe,” (a series that I feel plagued Star Wars but allowed fans to continue the adventures. It often created new heroes and villains with new powers and lore) – and some of it is poorly conceived and just a total head scratcher. There is a moment or two that will leave Star Wars fans rolling their eyes… but, those moments aren’t what this is about; they are a means to an end to move this story along.

It’s been said that Lucas’ original Star Wars really came together while editing. The Last Jedi really needed that. It’s the longest Star Wars film and it doesn’t always carry that baggage well – if they were to shave 30 minutes or so, we might be talking about a movie that stands out much more vividly as a film on par with Empire Strikes Back. Instead, we have a film that’s “…almost there.”

Still, The Last Jedi is a solid addition to our beloved franchise.

The overall arc between heroes both new and old is compelling; and their struggles – particularly those of Kylo Ren and Rey – is something new and makes the film completely worthwhile. Prepare for a roller coaster ride with emotional twists and turns like no other Star Wars movie.

Luke Skywalker is back. He might not be the Jedi you expected, but he is the hero we deserve. Poe Dameron starts off a little shaky and seems to be the rote hero routine – his story is a small part of this movie, but a solid part of the ride. Carrie Fisher – our princess - provides us a solid General Leia Organa, despite… well, you’ll see.
Some of the journey is distracting – Finn and Rose’s storyline is just convoluted and is often head scratchingly ridiculous. It’s like they wanted to do something with Finn, but didn’t know what and we got something half-baked that just didn’t make much sense both in the grand sense of the overall series and just how in interrupts the flow of The Last Jedi. (Again, a little editing could have gone a long way – but, this whole arc needed some serious help).

There are plenty of nits to pick in Star Wars The Last Jedi. Rian Johnson didn’t deliver the huge, epic masterpiece that I thought he might. But, he still hit a solid double and he’s looking to steal third. The sum of this movie is greater than its parts, it’s an interesting - and worthy addition to our beloved saga.
 
You know what? Finn should have died in TFA. It would have been a perfect moment at the end

Because he has nothing to do in this film. And because of the. Character choices they've made with him, it's doubtful that will change in the next one

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Perhaps Rian Johnson should’ve left his wacky story telling for his own trilogy Disney signed him up for.

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I fear when that finally comes to fruition, Jedis would have an amazing range of powers; they'll be able to fly, summon lightning, perform astral projections, shoot lasers from the palm of their hands etc. And the films will be littered with slapstick comedy.
 
Anyone know where I can find a list of what to look out for?
Here is one I found:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/12/15/star-wars-the-last-jedi-easter-eggs-references-and-cameos

I think I saw director Ryan Johnson in the casino shortly before Finn enters the frame (at the beginning of the casino scene); look out for a man in a Hux-like costume and red beard (directly in the center of the frame). Gareth Edwards can't be missed (the shots are long with a few close-ups; it looks as if it was intended for him to be recognized).

I was the only one at the theatre who laughed out loud at the Porg sitting on R2's head; it's in R2's last scene, right before the broomstick scene (look at the outer-left of the frame). ;)
 
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I have a new rule:

Though shalt not have casinos in science fiction.

It will always make you think of the pilot movie for the original BSG

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My spoiler free review as posted on Rotten Tomatoes...

I have a love-hate relationship with The Last Jedi. Rian Johnson has managed to make a very divisive film that fanboys will argue about for years to come.

There is obvious good and bad in this film. The bad can be glaringly bad; the good might be a little more difficult to see. But, there is much more good in this new Star Wars than there is bad. Where The Force Awakens was carefully crafted to recall the original trilogy, Rian Johnson has made a film that’s all over the map, yet still retains this loving tribute to all the films that came before it.

The Last Jedi, arguably, strays from what we’ve seen and known about the Star Wars Universe. At times, if feels a bit too much as “expanded universe,” (a series that I feel plagued Star Wars but allowed fans to continue the adventures. It often created new heroes and villains with new powers and lore) – and some of it is poorly conceived and just a total head scratcher. There is a moment or two that will leave Star Wars fans rolling their eyes… but, those moments aren’t what this is about; they are a means to an end to move this story along.

It’s been said that Lucas’ original Star Wars really came together while editing. The Last Jedi really needed that. It’s the longest Star Wars film and it doesn’t always carry that baggage well – if they were to shave 30 minutes or so, we might be talking about a movie that stands out much more vividly as a film on par with Empire Strikes Back. Instead, we have a film that’s “…almost there.”

Still, The Last Jedi is a solid addition to our beloved franchise.

The overall arc between heroes both new and old is compelling; and their struggles – particularly those of Kylo Ren and Rey – is something new and makes the film completely worthwhile. Prepare for a roller coaster ride with emotional twists and turns like no other Star Wars movie.

Luke Skywalker is back. He might not be the Jedi you expected, but he is the hero we deserve. Poe Dameron starts off a little shaky and seems to be the rote hero routine – his story is a small part of this movie, but a solid part of the ride. Carrie Fisher – our princess - provides us a solid General Leia Organa, despite… well, you’ll see.
Some of the journey is distracting – Finn and Rose’s storyline is just convoluted and is often head scratchingly ridiculous. It’s like they wanted to do something with Finn, but didn’t know what and we got something half-baked that just didn’t make much sense both in the grand sense of the overall series and just how in interrupts the flow of The Last Jedi. (Again, a little editing could have gone a long way – but, this whole arc needed some serious help).

There are plenty of nits to pick in Star Wars The Last Jedi. Rian Johnson didn’t deliver the huge, epic masterpiece that I thought he might. But, he still hit a solid double and he’s looking to steal third. The sum of this movie is greater than its parts, it’s an interesting - and worthy addition to our beloved saga.
This makes me feel a little bit better. IIRC, you were iffy about the movie.
 
This makes me feel a little bit better. IIRC, you were iffy about the movie.
It's still far from a perfect movie. There are few parts of my spiel that should be taken as a warning...

I hope you see and I hope you're able to enjoy it like I did. Going in with lowered expectations might help, going in looking for the problems won't help.
 
Star Wars The Last Jedi....well words just do not do this movie justice! If you have any doubts...dont hesitate you must go see! We were all blown away by how awesome it is! This installment reminded me of the feelings I had in 1977 when I First saw a Star Wars movie! Never did I think they would ever be able to make me feel like I did from the years 1977 to 1983. Star Wars The Last Jedi ( DID ) and I could not be more prouder to be a Star Wars fan
 
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I came out feeling about a 6 out of 10 as a movie in general (Sort of Iron Man 3ish). It did not feel very "Star Wars" to me. It was really all over the place and they should not have tried to follow so many story lines. I think if they would have focused on The Kylo, Rae, Luke story arc and cut out a lot of the other things that really lead no where it would have been much better. Say what you will but these movies have a different feel without the wonky dialog and cheesy humor of the first 6.

I am not a new Star Wars in general hater, I really liked Rouge One and can't wait to see what Ron Howard does with the Solo film. I am kind of looking forward to them getting these three fan pandering films out of the way so we can see some good solid stories.


Having Snoke killed that easily was very disappointing. I really wanted to see more of this character.

I like the humor between the main characters but it sort of undermines the threat when the bad guys do it.

How many times can we strafe laser cannons before it is played out. The Empire/First Order still has not learned to put anti aircraft guns that can hit small fighters on the surface of there ships/battle stations?

The whole walker scene seemed pulled right out of Empire, but we did have a guy taste the ground and let us know it was salt so totally different.

It does not seem very strategic to have one of your top tactical generals stay on a ship and get killed when we know there are droids that could just as easily pilot the ship while it got shot up????

Not even going to discuss the Leia marry Poppins ****. Why they would choose to take a scene where they could have really added something meaningful to the story and did that instead is beyond me.

Luke's character seemed off to me.
 
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I've seen it twice. It didn't get any better on the second viewing. The bad just became even more glaring. Story, pacing, it was just in shambles.

All of that being said, I took the wife and kids to see it tonight. Neither of the kids liked it, my wife said Justice League was Oscar worthy compared to TLJ.

She wondered if Rian Johnson actually grew up a Star Trek fan and was bitter about Star Wars and was trying to ruin it for the rest of us. The kicker is... she's not really a Star Wars fan and just puts up with it for my sake.

-OWK
 
The parts were better than the whole although much still feels recycled. It suffers from the same malady that all ensemble films have--each character has fans who want to see them, so they have their own thread, which adds a lot of unnecessary crap, e.g., the Finn/Rose casino, etc., thread! Wasteful, unnecessary, and forced (no pun intended) as were the Maz and Phasma bits.

It's far too long; too much talking and not enough doing. The new characters are completely one note as are Poe, Finn, and Rey. The acting is stilted throughout; even the usually solid Laura Dern was boring to watch. I've liked Adam Driver and Oscar Isaac in every film I've seen them in except these ones. And who did Daisy Ridley sleep with to get this part, she stinks! Rey is a heavy role, and she doesn't have the chops for it. And Hamill is right that the writer/director took Luke in a bad direction.

On the positive side, it looks great, sounds great, and is cleverly planting hints on where the story is going.

Eye of the beholder.

 
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