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Thats what I thought. I just need to alter my indents then to make it accurate. I need to rewrite my number sequence to get it all right

You need to do it that way in order for the number speed to be accurate. If you do it the echo way it runs alot slower. I did a video of both to show the comparison between my 'slow' and 'fast' versions

T2 PIN ID - YouTube

The 1st run there is the slower one which runs via the echo commands. The movie run seems to be around 7 seconds so that one is really too slow to be accurate. The faster one is more on time. That was done yesterday, I need to go change the line indents now then it'll be done properly. I have also removed CLS from the code so the display now comes on like it does in the movie (so the previous pin number shows and you can see the file name etc) Decreasing by 1 instead will add alot more lines to it though which will add to the time. I'll need to check what it comes out at too. I'll make a new video once its completely done
 
Re: Terminator 2 - Credit Card PIN Program/Computer (Atari Portfolio) ***PIC HEAVY***

Now I want one!


You should make one! I was lucky enough to have a Portfolio, but they're readily available on eBay for ~$50-60.

I love 'real-life' props that I can interact with just like the actors do and this is a relatively simple build from one of my all-time favourite movies.

terminator2thumbsup.jpg
 
Re: Terminator 2 - Credit Card PIN Program/Computer (Atari Portfolio) ***PIC HEAVY***

Man, thats complicated...

Today, everythings is much easier with stuff like that... ^^
 
Re: Terminator 2 - John Connor Credit Card Hacking PIN Program/Computer ***PIC HEAVY*

Good eye noticing that John must have run the program using a memory card since its run from the a> ;)

Also if you want to be really accurate, notice John runs this from the A> drive not the C> drive, therefore it needs to be run off a memory card in order for this to show correctly. I have one coming so can get that updated and my files backed up. Good to have backups anyway as if the batteries go dead when in the Atari it will wipe all of the programs from it and you will need to do it all again. Its ok to change the batteries as long as they're not completely dead when you do so. Having an AC power cord helps too

See they made no attempt to hide the echo off command :p The numbers go too fast to make out the exact code apart from the first line. As they go so fast it doesnt matter anyway and no one would notice or even know if it was different. Just type anything. I did however think each set was in blocks of 5 though then decrease by 2. Maybe my observation was wrong. I have heard that the indent alternates between 2 and 1 each time though
 
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Ok I think this is about as good as its gonna get

Terminator 2 Atari Portfolio PIN ID Program - YouTube

Now running off the a> drive and have all files backed up. Shouldnt ever need to type it all out again lol. Wouldnt be surprised if youtube eventually removes that for 'copyright' If so then I need to remove the movie part. I couldnt even get to see a clip of it on there, they're all removed. What harm it does I dont know

The ONLY thing is it doesnt make the noises when the program is started and when the numbers are running. Dont know if thats possible to do. Maybe they run it in a different way. What would be cool is if you could make it generate a different number every time its run (without having to make and run different files in order to do so) I dont know how that would work though. I know the real T2 card works that way though but they are very rare and I've only ever seen it even mentioned once online. Just a card you put in which runs the program and gives a different number out each time its run. I cant think how we could do that manually though. Thanks to the guys at the Terminator Files for helping to put all this together

Now have parallel cable and just ordered the ribbon cable (and got a sharpie :p) All thats left is the black box and card then we're there
 
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Re: Terminator 2 - John Connor Credit Card Hacking PIN Program/Computer ***PIC HEAVY*

Ok I think this is about as good as its gonna get

Terminator 2 Atari Portfolio PIN ID Program - YouTube

Now running off the a> drive and have all files backed up. Shouldnt ever need to type it all out again lol. Wouldnt be surprised if youtube eventually removes that for 'copyright' If so then I need to remove the movie part. I couldnt even get to see a clip of it on there, they're all removed. What harm it does I dont know

The ONLY thing is it doesnt make the noises when the program is started and when the numbers are running. Dont know if thats possible to do. Maybe they run it in a different way. What would be cool is if you could make it generate a different number every time its run (without having to make and run different files in order to do so) I dont know how that would work though. I know the real T2 card works that way though but they are very rare and I've only ever seen it even mentioned once online. Just a card you put in which runs the program and gives a different number out each time its run. I cant think how we could do that manually though. Thanks to the guys at the Terminator Files for helping to put all this together

Now have parallel cable and just ordered the ribbon cable (and got a sharpie :p) All thats left is the black box and card then we're there



Very Nice!! Love the intercut video with the film scene!

Haha I actually just stumbled upon the Terminator Files forum tonight! LOL I see that you had referenced this thread over there when you were asking about the ribbon cable! :p Quite meta that we are all trying to figure this all out together in different places.

The code that I put together is almost exactly what one the members has done over there - I'll post it soon and I'd be curious to see if that's the way you did yours as well.

And yes, I have 2 memory cards already - I think I took a photo of them in my first post - a 32kb card and anther 64kb card. How far we've come eh?! I can't even imagine working with 32/64kb files.
 
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Based off of a little trial and error, here’s the full code/instructions for the current iteration of my PIN Program. Anyone can do it and all you need is a working Atari Portfolio. :)

I’m not sure why, but I was having trouble getting my Portfolio to connect via Parallel to both my old PCs running XP. Any advice on how to get them to communicate would be appreciated - both machines are just stuck at “Waiting for connection.”

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The programming language is SUPER simple but it’s also nice to have a little programming background.

(If anyone’s interested, you can also take a look at the LOST Swan Station Hatch Computer I restored from an Apple II Plus a while back:
http://www.therpf.com/f9/lost-swan-station-hatch-computer-build-99-9-complete-170662/)

On the Portfolio, you want to use the built-in Editor to create 3 files:

  1. A BATCH file which is the basic program.
  2. A data file for the initialization screen.
  3. A data file for the running PIN program.
(NOTE: You can do this all in 1 file, but coding is easier with 3 - less use of the ‘echo’ command)

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Here’s the source code:


Save as: PINID.bat
(The 'pause' command automates the "Strike a key when ready..." prompt.)

echo off
type INIT.dat
pause
type PIN.dat


Save as: INIT.dat
(Be sure to change the Right Margin to 250; and press ‘RETURN’ twice after the last N.)
(Please refer to Post #16 for additional spacing/formatting info.)



Save as: PIN.dat
(Be sure to press ‘RETURN’ twice before the numbers start; and add a ‘RETURN’ after the last line.)
(Only the first line is screen accurate, the rest is random; just remember to follow the 1-2-1-2 pattern for character spacing.)

In the film, I believe you can hear clicks as the numerical program is running - I still haven't figured out how to add those. Closest I can remember is creating an 'echo ^G' command which makes the Portfolio beep rather than click. I'd be grateful for any help here!
This isn't the most elegant code, but I don’t think there’s a random number generator in DIP DOS for looped code. :cry Any advice here would be appreciated as well!

12345678901234567890123457890123456780
84749857439057349573429057342957834957
33234765802312495343794832984432498327
58490385902385093855775435775843758934
54985728397598342759832475984375984757
3494732489327432127821040827340830934
3987432982371222358347312693712044821
9809832109238049356320382483846873466
3748973284973289473298473298479238744
9374983274983274893274983274893274983
45689781235786213828408220582209620
53959384460912853793982124332743497
77523974092303249219402908321304432
21372173917398127432497213712379813
98714932646120983128409379863108011
8430928409328490237895698419701209
8890343828983328484838483823848821
7437432675376583682364749021837981
8392840328409238459868736120483088
1808098081230840384039257495621918
09830482094810980483209582097014
40328409328409328490328405896457
72938719847326578256782213721809
21371263812674873463479281738215
32983197489347637286873682139828
5762353612436521436521436521468
0998832409808210390473295687213
3463784687137248932649813792116
4738927483256934809283093298883
8834382947389478956470934923788
38743786421832893264740932886
43928487364938490328589239473
38947384756847210889356392470
38748932463749849032748937409
90397475864873243289389744983
3894382647093840374894048938
2379821637127635376432948329
5847589389473948329047343432
1209372183678462397390734704
3472187363743092843904903281
83247832643274973289732986
82732786383740932849032736
98374832689374328903840933
30984903840932809280909386
34836473643894378947349381
2746327864384893264783645
3984738924398748937489323
3248932678382153672537622
0398490328493749343043090
9485214652421362157625762
34382467354873247836478
93824783264783264783261
38471785321765376543433
39748932748327489734988
09548985478947689576834
3473264932409390493204
3894789327489374309422
3843278463786478326412
2376438764378264837472
3904732874673822324233
98547589458747959844
32748723687436498371
39347498327498374948
03924903284093824988
37432743672547635267
3847387264836489427
0945890438590438542
2384578635865435634
3982489327493749280
3982478932749832121
38483927493827493
32498327489327482
74937893274983812
37894983478937884
38742367524326811
5484903854085032
3847598437595573
3786237434542422
4598594385045987
3209840932324921
09809880809123
87932434739221
25738320934673
43879264924758
57498574358332
3243248989043
9380984848488
9089082483768
3902840392636
9230843422883
34278932334
20948302283
32423874997
32432344781
24342664336
8889808812
4324324285
7657576990
7862344231
0988798483
76798788
73428896
89344234
35433322
87778445
9323447
2838866
3243449
8879997
8215461
09034
83408
38440
20988
43211
9010
9009
9008
9008
9006
9006
9003
9003
9003
9003
9003

PIN IDENTIFICATION NUMBER: 9003

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Once, you've created and saved those 3 files in the Editor (they must also be saved to the same root directory), exit out to the Command Prompt and type in 'PINID' - the file named 'PINID.bat' will automatically run.

That's it so far. Hope this helps. :)
 
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You found us :p I was very much a noob when I first joined as you can see lol. Didnt think it would turn out to be as easy to do this. I needed their help though to learn the basics so thanks to them. I had just found this thread and thought it would help to put the entire prop together

Pretty much the same idea except we did the bat using txt files. We had huge issues with dots as over there will illustrate, took awhile to sort that problem out lol. Using this method gets rid of that and runs it all great. lol yeah everyone finds it hilarious how huge the memory cards are too. Mine is 64kb. Having a battery in it is kinda weird too. Though not bad for being 24 years old

In the film, I believe you can hear clicks as the numerical program is running - I still haven't figured out how to add those. Closest I can remember is creating an 'echo ^G' command which makes the Portfolio beep rather than click. I'd be grateful for any help here!

Thats what I meant by noises when the program is run. Thats all this is missing now to be completely accurate. I dont know if its really coming from the Atari or if they added them in for the movie. If they didnt just add in it then its obviously possible. It would be cooler to hear the clicking as the numbers go by like John's does. hmm maybe there is a way somehow.. Obviously nothing in the general sounds menu, just the key clicking. Would love to get this working too. When he starts the program itself too it makes a noise. Can hear it in my video. Maybe there is some kind of command we have to put in but what I dont have a clue. I've looked through the entire manual and no help there. This is the finishing touch that would set it off
 
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Thats what I meant by noises when the program is run. Thats all this is missing now to be completely accurate. I dont know if its really coming from the Atari or if they added them in for the movie. If they didnt just add in it then its obviously possible. It would be cooler to hear the clicking as the numbers go by like John's does. hmm maybe there is a way somehow.. Obviously nothing in the general sounds menu, just the key clicking. Would love to get this working too. When he starts the program itself too it makes a noise. Can hear it in my video. Maybe there is some kind of command we have to put in but what I dont have a clue. I've looked through the entire manual and no help there. This is the finishing touch that would set it off


I tried to run though all the extended ^ and ascii codes to see if one of them would create the clicking sound without any luck. The clicking sounds like the clicks you hear when you type on the keypad, but I'm not sure how to access that sound via code. And I'm sure we can do it since the Portfolio is capable of producing quite tone-rich sounds from the various videos I have seen.

We still gotta keep working on this one!
 
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Small Update


I have tried to source a credit card as close to film accurate as possible. Ideally I'd love to know the exact type of card Eddie used, but I haven't been able to find any information about this particular component. Help please! :D


From the film, here's what I've been able to discover about the card:

1) From Post #1:

Credit_Card.jpg




2) Foil tape positioning:

Foil_Tape_Front.jpg

Foil_Tape_Back.jpg




Based on what I have found from several screen shots, the card should follow to these requirements:

a) The card is grey.
b) There is a bank/company logo along the top of the card.
c) No credit card company logo on the bottom half of the card.
d) Card has the standard account number, client name and expiration date format along the bottom half of the card.
e) When attaching the ribbon cable to the card, the tape adheres to the back of the card, not the front.

* f) Not part of any film evidence (this one's just for myself), but the principal photography of T2 occurred between October 9, 1990, and March 28, 1991 - so, my sourced credit card should be a US-localized card and accurate to that timeframe.​


I've looked quite hard for a suitable screen match and this is the closest card I've been able to find that fits within all those requirements:

Credit_Card_2.jpg



Now I just need to find that mysterious Black Box and I can assemble the whole kit. :)

Thanks again for looking!
 
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Did you get that off ebay or something? Im struggling to find a suitable card. Cant find one that looks right without a logo on the bottom even, let alone the right timeframe too

I got my ribbon cable and some foil tape. Length of cable I bought was 1.7 meters, cut a bit off so it should be around the 5.5 feet mark

8scy.jpg


Obviously not the card Im using just all I could find right now. Works for the sake of the set up. My John gear so far

xhnz.jpg


Actually difficult to find a Public Enemy shirt with the writing right. It should be lower down. All the low down ones are way too angled though which his isnt so it might need to be a bit of a custom job to make it right


Any ideas what you're going to use for the black box yet? Im thinking something we can modify relatively easily in terms of cutting it. I thought if we could cut holes into it we could fit a female 25 pin connector into it so we could properly connect the parallel cable into it. Dont know what connector to use for the ribbon cable but whatever it is we could cut a hole in the black box and fit the connector for it into it so it could all be properly connected up. Thinking best bet for this would be some kind of project box. Not sure how easy it would be to cut into though. Cant find one the right size either, either close length wise but too high in depth, or right depth but too short in length. Looked at external hard drives and stuff like that but difficult for size and wouldnt really cut that. Unless we did something simple and made a box out of strong card or something so we could make the size exactly what we want. Im not sure what to do with this yet thats all the ideas I have so far
 
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Did you get that off ebay or something? Im struggling to find a suitable card. Cant find one that looks right without a logo on the bottom even, let alone the right timeframe too

I got my ribbon cable and some foil tape. Length of cable I bought was 1.7 meters, cut a bit off so it should be around the 5.5 feet mark

http://imageshack.us/a/img96/8926/8scy.jpg

Obviously not the card Im using just all I could find right now. Works for the sake of the set up. My John gear so far

http://imageshack.us/a/img198/1263/xhnz.jpg

Actually difficult to find a Public Enemy shirt with the writing right. It should be lower down. All the low down ones are way too angled though which his isnt so it might need to be a bit of a custom job to make it right


Any ideas what you're going to use for the black box yet? Im thinking something we can modify relatively easily in terms of cutting it. I thought if we could cut holes into it we could fit a female 25 pin connector into it so we could properly connect the parallel cable into it. Dont know what connector to use for the ribbon cable but whatever it is we could cut a hole in the black box and fit the connector for it into it so it could all be properly connected up. Thinking best bet for this would be some kind of project box. Not sure how easy it would be to cut into though. Cant find one the right size either, either close length wise but too high in depth, or right depth but too short in length. Looked at external hard drives and stuff like that but difficult for size and wouldnt really cut that. Unless we did something simple and made a box out of strong card or something so we could make the size exactly what we want. Im not sure what to do with this yet thats all the ideas I have so far


Looking great!!! And pairing the Portfolio up with Eddie's wardrobe is awesome! I love that you've given this prop a story. (y)D

How was modding the ribbon cable? I hope it didn't give you too much trouble.

Yes, the card is from eBay - it took a while to find the 'right' one. I don't live in the US either (I believe we share the same Monarch) and I wanted to incorporate a card that was readily available in California at the time of the film's production. I'm not familiar with the US banking system - I think there are hundreds/thousands of banking companies in the US(?); whereas in Canada, we really only have 5 national banks - so I looked at some of the larger US banks. The 'Federal Security Bank' seen in the film is probably not a real bank - I couldn't find anything about it on the Internets. I also looked into the film's shooting locations to see if I could find the bank where the scene was shot, but the closest I could determine was that it was filmed in Reseda. And after that research, the only card I could find that fit within those specs was the Citibank card which I'm quite satisfied with - I hope you're able to find one as well!

As for the box, I just spent last night modding something that I think will work with the Portfolio. I found a beige coloured project box that seems to be the correct-ish size for the Black Box. Here are some photos of what I was able to do last night:

Box_1.jpg


Box_2.jpg


Box_3.jpg


The box came as 2 separate halves. The lower half (the one I spray painted black in the 1st photo) is about 2 cm in height; which would nicely fit a Parallel connector. I Dremeled out the port holes already and will be adding the 2 Parallel connectors later today - I think I might glue some metal washers to the inside of the housing to give the box a little more heft.

Because I'm not using the top half of the box, I made a lid out of some Plastruct and painted that black as well.

Hopefully, I'll have the entire prop finished by tonight. I'll be sure to post some pics - I'd like to make a video, but I think that depends on how lazy I get. :rolleyes
 
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I try :p Nah the cable was simple really. I bought a 14 way one and cut 3 off it. I just cut a small notch down the 3rd one and pulled the whole lot off. Ultra fine sharpie fit nicely in the groove too

Yeah Im not in the US either (UK) so have no clue about banks and stuff. Im just looking for a grey one with the numbers in the right area, no logo on the bottom and the right timeframe. I wanted a Citibank one actually but they all have VISA or Mastercard logos on the bottom right so I discounted them for that reason. I'll keep looking. Hard to find them on ebay with all the irrelevant results that come up so I've only been looking in the Trading Card catergory. Maybe Im missing some because of that.. Not like the average person would know anyway if all the exact details match up to the movie but I do like accuracy so if we can why not

That looks like it'll work perfectly. Ebay again? Im struggling to find one that'll work on there with the sizes.. though I suppose without the lid adding to the depth it might work out. Just cant tell how wide the lid itself is to subtract it from the total depth to know which to buy. I've tried to dremel things before both metal and plastic and it never works out well so something as simple as cutting a hole out will likely cause me issues too. Simple in theory though if nothing else

hmm I need to work on this. Not sure what connector to get for the ribbon cable so it looks like the pics. I'll keep looking


It would make a great video if we were to actually take this to an ATM and 'use it', like code the program to give the real PIN of the card and make it seem as if it actually works :p Though Im sure the police may be involved if anyone saw that being done lol. Still be cool though
 
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That looks like it'll work perfectly. Ebay again? Im struggling to find one that'll work on there with the sizes.. though I suppose without the lid adding to the depth it might work out. Just cant tell how wide the lid itself is to subtract it from the total depth to know which to buy. I've tried to dremel things before both metal and plastic and it never works out well so something as simple as cutting a hole out will likely cause me issues too. Simple in theory though if nothing else


This is also the first time that I've ever done something like this, so I'm not really sure what I'm doing. :p

If it helps, these are the 2 bits I used to cut out the holes for my Parallel connectors after a bit of trial and error:

Dremel_Bits.jpg


First, I penciled in an outline of where I wanted to cut and then I used the disc on the left to cut out parallel lines running the length of the outline. Sort of like this:
____________________________
____________________________
____________________________​

And then I used the same bit to cut out the plastic in between those lines, at which point, I had a very rough rectangular hole. The second bit on the right, I used to remove all the rough bits of plastic along the edges. And then I used the first bit again to refine the shape of the hole.

Not sure if there's a better way of doing this, but this method worked for me and I was able to have pretty good control while I was shaping the opening. Oh, I also set my Dremel to spin at 18.5k RPM.
 
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wow you even made the card reader part.. ok now I must have this too, what have you done ;) Not sure how you did that though so I will need to wait on the build info if you are going to share that

Set up looks amazing :thumbsup Cant wait to finish mine off now. Just gotta find the right sized box and add the connectors in then nearly there. I want a smaller connector for the ribbon though, not sure what yet. Great work though, probably the first ever complete prop made of this :cool


I think the program as we have it is the best we can get. Doesnt seem like the sounds are possible to do, not through a bat file anyway. Seems as if they just added them in for the movie to give a bit more of an effect instead of it just running silently. This certainly works though
 
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Now you've got skynet by the balls.


YUP!! Totally by the balls... Hey, where the heck is Miles?

Miles_Dyson.jpg


NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!


wow you even made the card reader part.. ok now I must have this too, what have you done ;) Not sure how you did that though so I will need to wait on the build info if you are going to share that

I think the program as we have it is the best we can get. Doesnt seem like the sounds are possible to do, not through a bat file anyway. Seems as if they just added them in for the movie to give a bit more of an effect instead of it just running silently. This certainly works though


I still want to make a video, but I've been out for the last couple of days and there hasn't been enough sunlight to shoot with by the time I get home - I'll detail some of the components I used to make the prop. :)

Yeah, I'm pretty happy with the way I have it thus far. I'm not too fussed about the clicking sounds, but I've still been poking around to see if I can figure out a way to get those clicks in. If I find out, I'll be sure to post the code here. Please let me know if you find a way as well!



Set up looks amazing :thumbsup Cant wait to finish mine off now. Just gotta find the right sized box and add the connectors in then nearly there. I want a smaller connector for the ribbon though, not sure what yet. Great work though, probably the first ever complete prop made of this :cool


Thanks! I'm surprised I haven't come across another complete T2 Atari Portfolio put together! I love these tech props - I made a LOST Swan Station computer a while back and I haven't seen another one of those either.

As for the ribbon cable connector, I'm pretty confident that it's a Parallel Connector. I haven't been able to find any specific info on it, but what I have, I pieced together from screen caps.

Haha Here's my case for the Parallel Connector:

Parallel_Cable_2.jpg


  1. If you take a look at the larger box on the left, the connector itself seems too large to be a Serial Connector and too small to be a DB37 Connector.
  2. Taking a look at the same image, comparing the size of the connector in relation to the ribbon cable, the connecter seems too large to be a Serial Cable.
  3. Within the smaller box on the right, I've overlaid the ribbon connector from the left with the known Portfolio Parallel Connector on the right and they appear to be in scale with each other. I think a Serial Connector would be noticeably smaller.

Thoughts? If it is a Serial Cable, I'll definitely have to change it! :p
 
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No problem just interesting to see how you did it. Im working on my own card reader from the Cyberdyne scene. Yours looks real, very clean looking. Doubt mine will look that good but I'll try. Klas on the Terminator Files doesnt think its possible to do it without having to make an EXE file or something for it. Your beeping code sounded close to me but no idea about the key click sound

hmm Im not sure about the connector at all from what little of it we can barely see. I do think it should be smaller though based on the other pic of it you posted

Black_Box_Height.jpg


It looks small and blue. Cant figure out what it could be though. I'd be more inclined towards a serial connector but whether that would be on par with the size in that picture I cant tell either. To me it looks like something small, maybe like the size and width of a USB connector rather than something wider like the parallel connector which is pretty big. It is very hard to tell though to be honest. Im going to keep looking around and see what else might work to fit the specifications here
 
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