"Catoonish" models. Rotograph

There are some studio models made to try to look like carttoons, at least that was used by Max Pleischer studios.
Look this vídeo

Rotograph - Popeye the Sailor - YouTube

Longer and HD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRrK2MczHmk


And this other showing the technic :

Rotograph - YouTube


Interesting images:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_9N8na00LiEo/RfhP72HMNHI/AAAAAAAAAmY/awxjlm6bjho/s1600-h/setback-01.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_9N8na00LiEo/RfhP72HMNII/AAAAAAAAAmg/y7wdPxJn-SQ/s1600-h/setback-02.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9N8na00LiEo/RfhPiGHMNFI/AAAAAAAAAmI/VaH9JAoGgGY/s1600-h/fleischerps001.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_9N8na00LiEo/RfhPimHMNGI/AAAAAAAAAmQ/stFxfd-W64U/s1600-h/fleischerps2.jpg


Interesting if the technic could be used more, but the studio abbandon it due high cost.

I would like to know if someone here knows about surviving models used in Rotograph technic, or about create such models, to look like cartoon.
 
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Hadn't come across that before. I know they did spinning drum backdrops for the Anderson puppet shows, but that was usually a flat painting on a vertical drum and designed to cover only a window in a vehicle, or something.

Interesting.
 
That is very cool, thanks for posting! I never saw that Popeye before, but I remember other cartoons that had backgrounds that looked too detailed and dimensional to be flat artwork. I wish I could remember which ones they were.
 
I would like to know if someone here knows about surviving models used in Rotograph technic, or about create such models, to look like cartoon.

I don't know about the surviving models, but to make something look cartoony, I think it primarily has to do with painting, model construction and lighting. I say this because of how the backgrounds look to me. But I think painting is a big factor that definitely helps out in selling it as being cartoonish, as I've seen some plastic action figures that were painted with flat colors which accidentally gave off that cartoonish/drawn appearance to me. The best thing I can suggest is try using some flat colors and do some testing, try to light a test model with even lighting and take a picture or two to see if it comes off as such.

I could be wrong, but I'm think that I'm sort of close (using my production design and lighting knowledge a bit here).
 
The interesting is that back them Disney have patente for the Multi Plane câmera, and Max Fleicsher the patente fot the Rotograph. Disney could not use a rotograph technic in his cartoons and Fleischer could not use multiplane câmera.

Someone today should make a cartoon in the old style, no computer, and using both technics.


I presume most of the little models in these Max Fleischer cartoons were made of cardboard, paper and that sort of thing. Probably almost no model have survived today, we imagine so. But I remamber a documentar about the elephant man, and he did several models of paper, including a cathedal, and one survived.


Modern Rotograph test (amateur experimente I presume).

http://vimeo.com/14448883
It could look a bit more cartoonish.

ANother take, but with some FX simulating a car trip.
http://vimeo.com/15744708
 
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The interesting is that back them Disney have patente for the Multi Plane câmera, and Max Fleicsher the patente fot the Rotograph. Disney could not use a rotograph technic in his cartoons and Fleischer could not use multiplane câmera.

Someone today should make a cartoon in the old style, no computer, and using both technics.


I presume most of the little models in these Max Fleischer cartoons were made of cardboard, paper and that sort of thing. Probably almost no model have survived today, we imagine so. But I remamber a documentar about the elephant man, and he did several models of paper, including a cathedal, and one survived.


Modern Rotograph test (amateur experimente I presume).

Rotograph Test 1 on Vimeo
It could look a bit more cartoonish.

ANother take, but with some FX simulating a car trip.
Eyja Atoll on Vimeo

Interesting.

Honestly, the problem is that most filmmakers these days would most likely use CG and computer animation instead of using this technique (it's the same reason why a lot of movies these days don't utilize model miniature effects, unless the filmmaker wants to). However I probably would use this if I had the option to, as I feel there's no-school like old school.
 
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