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  1. gokarosama's Avatar
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    Dec 6, 2005, 5:31 AM - Boycott Parks Sabers #1

    The original 13 + page thread has been deleted or has (perhaps more likely) dropped off the board, as has the thread by Ghost Host outlining the outrageous treatment he received from Jeff Parks.

    In any case, there were almost 100 members on the boycott list. That it is now gone perhaps indicates lack of interest. That's fine, and perhaps it was my responsibility to keep it on the board--the administration's view was that they had no view on the matter.

    It may seem disingenuous of me to now bring it up again, but I would hate for Steve's plight, boycott or no, to be forgotten.

    Edit:
    SUMMARY (EDIT: Steve himself has written a more precise account on page 3 of this thread):

    1. Long ago, Parks comes on the RPF looking for an MPP for his new line of replicas.

    2. Steve (Ghost Host) offers his, which is worth about 800$ and is perfect. An arrangement is made that he will get it back soon, and he is given a few Parks items for his trouble.

    3. Months pass.

    4. Steve asks about progress.

    5. More time passes. Steve asks again. Then more time passes, and he asks again.

    6. Parks MPP replicas go on sale (though incomplete).

    7. Much much much later, Steve gets his MPP back. So he thinks. What he receives is actually his MPP tube, but parts are missing, and some original parts are replaced with replica parts.

    8. Steve inquires what's up? And gets no response.

    9. He inquires again, and again, nothing. Finally Parks shoots back with a testy email saying if Steve continues to ask, he will never get any explanation or recompense, "RPF or no RPF."

    10. Steve makes this all public, here. We, certain RPF members, start a completely unofficial boycott until Jeff is willing to settle up. At which time the boycott will end. The RPF staff refuses to take any position.

    11. Jeff ignores Steve, and the boycott. Various RPF members blame it on China, on miscommunication, on Steve, on the cosmos. Various RPF members continue to buy from Parks. Jeff Parks never makes the effort to apologize to, acknowledge the dilemma of, or assist Steve.

    THE NEW LIST OF PEOPLE BOYCOTTING PARKS SABERS (alphabetically by RPF member name)
    UPDATED: September, 2006

    apollo
    Beorn Tordensjold
    BigJoe88
    Cenobyte
    Darkknight0667
    Darth Kahnt
    Don Solo
    frosty
    g-force
    Ghost Host.
    gokarosama
    Gytheran
    Henriko 2
    Holy Zoo
    hydin
    ihs
    KarlBud420
    KingNothing
    Lello99
    lesternessman
    MaddChinaMan
    LittleOleBountyhunter
    NEKROFANATIC
    neosporing
    Nexus6
    Notorious
    Phayze
    Pilot
    Planettera
    pOsitrOnic
    Propsculptor
    rad1701
    sithmasterjedi
    Skalen Fehl
    SoloNomo
    Sporak
    vader71
    vaderdarth
    voice in the crowd
    wuher da brewer
  2. RPF Premium Member propsculptor's Avatar
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    Dec 6, 2005, 7:28 AM - #2


    I was on the original list, add me to the New list...
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    Dec 6, 2005, 8:53 AM - #3

    Originally posted by propsculptor@Dec 6 2005, 08:28 AM
    I was on the original list, add me to the New list...
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    /sign
  4. Member Since
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    Dec 6, 2005, 9:33 AM - #4

    /sign .....again
  5. Probe Droid's Avatar
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    Dec 6, 2005, 9:45 AM - #5

    Why don't you refresh folks' memories on the reasons for the boycott.
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    Dec 6, 2005, 4:16 PM - #6

    I wasn't on the old list. Sign me up.

    I've decided to try to replace the few Parks items I have. I'm down to 1 and would love to have a Larbel Graflex replica to replace it.

    -G
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    Dec 6, 2005, 4:30 PM - #7

    Being new here, I'll take a refresher - why are people boycotting parks?
  8. lonepigeon's Avatar
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    Dec 6, 2005, 4:37 PM - #8

    The original thread was just bumped last week.
    It didn't fall off the board.
    Perhaps the mods moved it? You should check with them.
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    Dec 6, 2005, 4:54 PM - #9

    We haven't done anything with it. It does seem to have fallen off. There are three other Parks threads:

    http://www.rpf.invisionzone.com/inde...howtopic=96735

    http://www.rpf.invisionzone.com/inde...howtopic=91555

    http://www.rpf.invisionzone.com/inde...owtopic=100364

    ...but the boycott one is gone, as is the original thread that brought the MPP situation to light.

    Not sure why we need four (would've been five) threads about the Parks situation, but have (civil) fun.
  10. Gytheran's Avatar
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    Dec 6, 2005, 5:10 PM - #10

    It seems each of those threads are somewhat different than the intent of the "boycott thread". I suggest turning this one into the new boycott thread(if you so wish). If you do so, please add me to the list... again.
  11. RPF Premium Member
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    Dec 6, 2005, 5:42 PM - #11

    Signed/again.
  12. KingNothing is offline KingNothing
    Dec 6, 2005, 6:00 PM - #12

    /signed.
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    Dec 6, 2005, 6:48 PM - #13

    Originally posted by Vaapad_VII@Dec 6 2005, 01:30 PM
    Being new here, I'll take a refresher - why are people boycotting parks?
    [snapback]1130044[/snapback]

    Just a short synopsis.

    GH lent Jeff parks an original MPP with teh understanding that he would receive it back in the conditioned lent.

    When it was returned it was NOT in the same condition and as well had NEW Parks pieces replaced on it and who knows where the original pieces went.

    When it was asked about getting the original parts (GH also admitted he was a bit harsh, but if I lent an MPP and received it back with no warning that it had replacement parts and not in the same condition, I would be pissed also) Jeff Parks basically told him to screw off and he was not going to get anything replaced or compensation.

    Short and sweet

  14. RPF Premium Member Planettera's Avatar
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    Dec 6, 2005, 7:06 PM - #14

    I was in the old list, and would like to be added to the new on as well.
  15. micdavis is offline micdavis
    Dec 6, 2005, 7:11 PM - #15

    Originally posted by Cenobyte@Dec 6 2005, 03:48 PM
    When it was asked about getting the original parts (GH also admitted he was a bit harsh, but if I lent an MPP and received it back with no warning that it had replacement parts and not in the same condition, I would be pissed also) Jeff Parks basically told him to screw off and he was not going to get anything replaced or compensation.
    Now hang on there Butch.

    As I understand it Jeff was not AWARE that replacement parts had been added to the MPP. I also undertand he attempted to get the original parts back but they were in CHINA and no one there knew or could tell the difference in the parts.

    Certainly his responsibility and he surely didn't handle it to well.

    But let's not re-write history.
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    Dec 6, 2005, 8:00 PM - #16

    signed..
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    Dec 6, 2005, 8:13 PM - #17

    I've never dealt with parks. I have heard that his sabers are nice but it takes a long time to fill orders. I have also heard about his customer service being not so great. Personally I like my MR and have no interest in ordering any parks sabers so.......signed
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    Dec 6, 2005, 8:29 PM - #18

    i ordered one of parks sabers about 6 years ago (the rouge i believe)and tyhe shipping was great , got in les than a week ,the week before christmas , and also called him once about a saber related question and got great "customer" service,,

    but that was years ago so as far as i can see he was a cool guy back then
  19. micdavis is offline micdavis
    Dec 6, 2005, 8:33 PM - #19


    He still is a cool guy.

    He has 10,000 customers, and pissed off a few people here.

    They find it necessary to drag him through the mud.

    "Rather childish really"

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    Dec 6, 2005, 9:01 PM - #20

    Originally posted by micdavis@Dec 6 2005, 07:33 PM
    He still is a cool guy.

    He has 10,000 customers, and pissed off a few people here.

    They find it necessary to drag him through the mud.

    "Rather childish really"
    [snapback]1130226[/snapback]

    Yeah, he's a cool guy. He just screwed over one of his business associates.
  21. Vaapad_VII's Avatar
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    Dec 6, 2005, 9:07 PM - #21

    My only experience with parks is a group order for Graflex flash units, and that went smoothly. Are people having trouble with more complicated things like EL sabers? Or is it with kits and parts too?
  22. RPF Premium Member tripoli's Avatar
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    Dec 6, 2005, 9:16 PM - #22

    I have been a strong customer and strong advocate of Parks sabers. But he did take responsibility for it when loaned to him and upon learning the situation told GH to go screw himself. He also used his religion as the basis for justifying his actions afterwards. Finally, he is making a good profit off another board members lose and refuses to rectify the lose ignoring it now.
    Not exactly Christian like, as judge by this lay minister.

    Up to all to decide if they want to support a fellow member here or turn their heads away from it. Is this place really a community or just a resource for you on the web?
    You vote with your own conscience and support.

    Resign me up.
  23. Gytheran's Avatar
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    Dec 6, 2005, 9:16 PM - #23

    Originally posted by Vaapad_VII@Dec 6 2005, 08:07 PM
    My only experience with parks is a group order for Graflex flash units, and that went smoothly.* Are people having trouble with more complicated things like EL sabers?* Or is it with kits and parts too?
    [snapback]1130247[/snapback]
    No, this is involving the transaction that gave Jeff the template for his Vader Saber for his USKs.
  24. gokarosama's Avatar
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    Dec 7, 2005, 1:43 AM - #24

    The first post has been edited, summarizing the events which led up to the boycott. There is also a list of boycott members.

    If you want to be added to that list, please post here.
  25. Durasteel Corporation is offline Durasteel Corporation
    Dec 7, 2005, 2:21 AM - #25

    He still is a cool guy.

    He has 10,000 customers, and pissed off a few people here.

    They find it necessary to drag him through the mud.

    "Rather childish really"


    micdavis....how is it childish to hold someone accountable for

    a] screwing someone over by never returning their loaned piece

    b] never compensating them for it

    c] never apoligizing for it

    d] and....which I believe to be the worst offense: PROFITTING on somenes loss without bothering to compensate them.


    C'mon, You dont treat people-- who help make you a profit --like that.

    That was childish.


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