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    Jan 20, 2013, 6:19 PM - Re: Dredd 3d Rifle/Shotgun #26

    Yeah jack , we've been calling it the widow maker on the RPB but wasn't sure of they had for the movie , hoping it does get that name as it should
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    Jan 20, 2013, 6:49 PM - Re: Dredd 3d Rifle/Shotgun #27

    Jack T Chance said: View Post
    One additional thing I can add to this thread: the proper "in universe" name of the weapon.

    In the comics, the Judge's Shotgun is called a Widowmaker.
    I will edit the title of the thread appropriately.
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    Jan 20, 2013, 6:51 PM - re: Dredd 3d Rifle/Shotgun aka "Widowmaker" #28

    I'm looking into getting a Spas 12 airsoft to start off so I can take measurements and start modeling an add on shell. I like that many of the screen guns attributes are already in place.

    Note - this is my 1st time 3d modeling anything so I'm sure a lot of refinement will be necessary. Going to use Google's free 3d software.
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    Jan 29, 2013, 2:30 AM - Re: Dredd 3d Rifle/Shotgun #29

    tango'd fett said: View Post
    One thing to bear in mind here is its not a live fire weapon on set , the firing was all cgi effect so the ejector port could just be a part of the outer casing . I'd go for spas 12 as its stated in the pre pro designs.
    Hoping to have a go at one of these myself
    Tango - do you have official word from the set that they didn't use a live fire weapon for this? Because it sure looks like live fire in the shots I just looked at. And I know for a fact that most of the Lawgivers firing were real blankfiring guns and not CGI.
    CGI isn't used for muzzle flash very often, even on low budget movies. Real blank fire just looks better and is widely available to the film industry.

    Also, I think we can safely remove the word "rifle" from this thread title. I just looked at the scene again and those are clearly 12 gauge shells being ejected from the gun when Alvarez fires.

    In the comics they do have a gun called the widowmaker (Colt widowmaker 2000 shotgun smg to be exact), but I was told they did not actually call Alvarez's weapon that on set. It didn't really have an official name in the movie. Whether it was meant to be the Widowmaker is anyone's guess.
    There have actually been several longer guns in the comics. One was called the lawrod, and there was the stub gun of course. But the widowmaker was the only one to be specifically labelled a shotgun (the others were rifles and laser guns)
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    Jan 29, 2013, 2:03 PM - re: Dredd 3d Rifle/Shotgun aka "Widowmaker" #30

    Yeah max you may be right on some shots , the scene in the slo mo factory when you see it firing from the right side definately has cgi flash and even around the rear of the gun which is odd!
    Some of the lawgivers were blank firers and some were airsoft , most of the muzzle flash is cgi . If you check the b roll footage there's no flash at all when firing them. Also the sound is full auto but the glocks are 17s and single shot.
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    Jan 29, 2013, 2:24 PM - re: Dredd 3d Rifle/Shotgun aka "Widowmaker" #31

    tango'd fett said: View Post
    Also the sound is full auto but the glocks are 17s and single shot.
    they were 17's but they were modded with a full auto sear for the movie
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    Jan 29, 2013, 3:11 PM - re: Dredd 3d Rifle/Shotgun aka "Widowmaker" #32

    The shotgun was a live fire gun. It was NOT cg.
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    Jan 29, 2013, 3:12 PM - re: Dredd 3d Rifle/Shotgun aka "Widowmaker" #33

    baron von blondle said: View Post
    they were 17's but they were modded with a full auto sear for the movie
    I'm not sure that's the case, if you look at the scenes slowed down the rear slides only return in semi auto not full . Check the slo mo featurette too .
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    Jan 29, 2013, 3:14 PM - re: Dredd 3d Rifle/Shotgun aka "Widowmaker" #34

    tango'd fett said: View Post
    I'm not sure that's the case, if you look at the scenes slowed down the rear slides only return in semi auto not full . Check the slo mo featurette too .
    trust me, it's the case
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    Jan 29, 2013, 3:15 PM - re: Dredd 3d Rifle/Shotgun aka "Widowmaker" #35

    Bowelrock said: View Post
    The shotgun was a live fire gun. It was NOT cg.
    Cgi was added then as its definately not real flash , especially at the rear of the gun , ill dig out the pic to show you.

    Found it , if that's not cgi ill eat my hat
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    Jan 29, 2013, 4:24 PM - re: Dredd 3d Rifle/Shotgun aka "Widowmaker" #36

    baron von blondle said: View Post
    trust me, it's the case
    Ooh be real interested to see where you saw this info baron ? I might full auto my glock 17 now if its the case
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    Jan 29, 2013, 4:27 PM - re: Dredd 3d Rifle/Shotgun aka "Widowmaker" #37

    tango'd fett said: View Post
    Ooh be real interested to see where you saw this info baron ? I might full auto my glock 17 now if its the case
    I have a buddy who worked in the art dpt who is a goldmine of related info
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    Jan 29, 2013, 5:13 PM - re: Dredd 3d Rifle/Shotgun aka "Widowmaker" #38

    baron von blondle said: View Post
    I have a buddy who worked in the art dpt who is a goldmine of related info

    does he need another buddy ;0
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    Jan 29, 2013, 6:04 PM - re: Dredd 3d Rifle/Shotgun aka "Widowmaker" #39

    I've heard the same inside info. Airsoft guns for Lawgiver non-fire scenes, blank firing glock for firing scenes, including full-autio. Though I'm not sure whey they wouldn't just use a blank firing Glock 18 for the full auto stuff. Maybe they couldn't get one and modified the G17 instead. (The G18 is essentially the same except for a small dial at the back of the slide that selects semi or full auto).
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    Mar 9, 2013, 4:54 AM - re: Dredd 3d Rifle/Shotgun aka "Widowmaker" #40

    thought i would bump this back up rather than start a new thread.
    has anyone got any more info/ref pics on this shotgun, i fancy having a crack at this once my lawgiver is finished, and i now have a m1100 shell ejecting airsoft shotgun to use as a base.

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    Mar 17, 2013, 5:20 AM - re: Dredd 3d Rifle/Shotgun aka "Widowmaker" #41

    have only found this one so far. is that a torch or a launcher on the front?


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    Jun 1, 2016, 6:21 PM - Re: Dredd 3d Rifle/Shotgun aka "Widowmaker" #42

    Wow, I'm reviving an old thread but I thought i'd point out the donor Shotgun was Beretta A300
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    Oct 20, 2016, 7:30 PM - Re: Dredd 3d Rifle/Shotgun aka "Widowmaker" #43

    rollingthunder said: View Post
    Wow, I'm reviving an old thread but I thought i'd point out the donor Shotgun was Beretta A300

    Was it really? That's crazy, the shotgun always screamed to me Saiga 12. It has a magazine and a classic AK look.

    http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.ne...12/saiga12.jpg


    But yea IMFDB says berretta A 302.


    I was also thinking the Nerf Rival Atlas could make a ok version:
    http://www.hasbro.com/common/product...cc54286e45.jpg
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    Jan 12, 2017, 6:56 AM - Re: Dredd 3d Rifle/Shotgun aka "Widowmaker" #44

    & now i've actually see the screen used kit that was attached to the Shotgun. Pictures will follow as soon as i can get another look.
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    Jan 23, 2017, 5:57 AM - Re: Dredd 3d Rifle/Shotgun aka "Widowmaker" #45

    Spas has a lever here and can't find a remington. Some berettas do?
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    Feb 15, 2017, 9:06 AM - Re: Dredd 3d Rifle/Shotgun aka "Widowmaker" #46

    The reason they chose a sporting shotgun to convert was that South Africa, where they filmed it, has a ban on tactical shotguns so they had to get creative
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    Jul 24, 2017, 8:45 AM - Re: Dredd 3d Rifle/Shotgun aka "Widowmaker" #47

    Nope, I'm surprised this hasn't been updated, previously, to the correct info, as I still know of folk, in the Judge groups, using it for reference.

    The shotgun was a Beretta A302 semi-auto, with a casing inspired by the Franchi SPAS12. That's straight from someone who worked on the movie and sat next to the guy who made the thing. You can take it to the bank. The guy/s who said Benelli are right.
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    Sep 2, 2017, 11:31 AM - Re: Dredd 3d Rifle/Shotgun aka "Widowmaker" #48

    Some berettas do?

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