Prometheus (Post-release)

Where does the need come from for people to keep restating their dislike for something? You hated the movie, you're done.

Go talk about something you enjoyed if you can't say anything more enlightening than 'It was crap' over and over.

The same argument could be made about the people who love it. You loved it, get over it, move along. :rolleyes.

This is the Internet, hating on something or gushing about how much you love something is half of what happens here. The other half is porn...:love
 
Just saw it again in 2D, to those going next week, seriously, skip the 3D...

Second viewing didn't really change my opinion of the movie despite the many flaws that have been pointed out being, well, mostly undeniable :lol

I still found the mysteries set up in the movie frustrating, but fascinating. Didn't watch Lost, don't care what Lindeloff did or didn't do there.

Don't give a crap about DNA science/silicone storms (the suits were armoured, btw)/flame throwers in CO2 atmos/ the caesarian device, etc, it's sci-fi - FTL is impossible, anti-grav is impossible, dog-fighting is impossible etc, etc. Physics goes out the window in virtually every space movie ever made, even *gasp* Alien.

Observations, tho, for people who think I'm on Ridley's payroll:

Charlie (followed by everyone else) removing his helmet - stupidest thing in the movie.

Fifield and Millburn getting lost then Milburn acting like a kid at a pet store - dumb as a box of frogs.

Fifield zombie thing - who know what he sucked up, but yeah, unnecessary and badly staged - seemed to get a bit Michael Bay in the editing.

Why did Weyland conceal his prescence - he was on the edge of death (notice Vickers' 'Did anybody die' question to David after coming out of hyperspace?)

He didn't want the rest of the crew to know his true motivations, if it turned out the engineer's didn't exist, he could have died in hypersleep on the way home, with no-one on ever knowing of his none too altrustic motivations.

The 'true story' of the Engineers is perhaps known in entirety to David. We never got a translation of either the inscriptions he states he might be able to read or what he actually said to the live engineer.

I think what David was up to could be extremeley revealing in a sequel, as I think he's the key to what happened in Prometheus.

Unfortunateley I'm doubting we'll get 'part two' since the word of mouth on this is gonna sink it, imho.

Did notice how terrible and over-utilised the score was this time.

Oh, and I found the crew (the ones who had lines...) perfectly relatable and above the average fare in a 9 little indian movies. Anyone give a crap about Crowe, Wiersbowksi, Dietrich, Spunkmeyer or Ferro in Aliens?

I am aware that I'm way in the minority though, and I do think it's probaly going to flop, unless it miraculously catches on with the masses who aren't geneticists, physicists or gynacologists and accept the stupid stuff people do in horror movies...
 
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The same argument could be made about the people who love it. You loved it, get over it, move along

Big difference is I'm attempting to discuss and analyse, not just keep repeating 'I love it'

Analogy fail :rolleyes
 
so is this rifle in the movie or not?

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just trying to figure out if noland is going to eat his shoe
 
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I did not understand the meaning of the opening scene ...

From what i understood the meaning behind it is to establish how our DNA evolved from sea creatures to what we are today.

Someone else also pointed out that they noticed the planet was a different LV number, if i recall in Prometheus its LV422 and we all know in Alien its LV426. LV422 is a moon of a much larger planet with rings around, it was chosen over the 2 or 3 other moons (seen in shot) orbiting the planet with rings because it resembled the most likely chance to sustain life similar to humans (as quoted in the film). In Alien LV426 had a completely different atmosphere to LV422 not to mention it was also quoted to be 40 degrees below. In Alien the Nostromo lands on LV426 which is one of 3 (could be more just 3 in shot) orbiting a ringed planet.

Most likely LV422 and LV426 are just different moons of the same planet.
 
so is this rifle in the movie or not?
I saw only flame throwers and handguns.
This was another silly thing about the movie: no powerful weapons.

I saw it in 3D though, so there could have been more guns that I missed in the blur ...
 
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Someone else also pointed out that they noticed the planet was a different LV number, if i recall in Prometheus its LV422 and we all know in Alien its LV426. LV422 is a moon of a much larger planet with rings around, it was chosen over the 2 or 3 other moons (seen in shot) orbiting the planet with rings because it resembled the most likely chance to sustain life similar to humans (as quoted in the film). In Alien LV426 had a completely different atmosphere to LV422 not to mention it was also quoted to be 40 degrees below. In Alien the Nostromo lands on LV426 which is one of 3 (could be more just 3 in shot) orbiting a ringed planet.

Most likely LV422 and LV426 are just different moons of the same planet.

It was LV-223 BTW :)
 
So I watched Alien last night, if we want to talk about characters doing dumb stupid things lets talk Kaine going in for what in the egg and Ripley going back for Jones, even though these where and are dumb moves they make the tension. For some reason the dumb moves in "Promethelost" are just dumb.

I believe Fox has sent thousands of pares of Rose tinted 3D glasses around the world to help with the viewing pleasure.
 
Plot lines, story and characters aside, wouldn't you agree that this is a visual feast?

Personally i loved the overall look, from the Prometheus ship, to the space suits (my favorite physical item), the engineers & engineers space suits. I would love to have my own suit and helmet, disappointed however there weren't more toys / gadgets and no real weaponry to droll over!

However, the visuals, look, the physical set dressings, costumes and props, I think are a real plus points for the movie, yes, no?
 
I know what you mean Guy. Its the same when Chewbacca goes Tarzan in ROTJ, noone complained back then. When Indianas son does the same in TCS, its cheesy.

Times have changed, or maybe we got old and angry, lol.
 
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any potentially iconic weapon props seen at all?

The huge flametrower thing Charlize was holding, other non weapon props which I think were great, for instance the suit's inner cap looked pretty iconic to me, also the engineers space suit and helmet.

As for the movie itself, as I watched the movie in a simple way, I kind of watched it as a prequel to the first Alien movie, it made more sense to me like that, seeing the creatures as undeveloped facehuggers, chestbursters and xenomorphs and the origin of the space-jockey now better known as one of the Engineers, the invitation to the planet could be seen as a prophecy or warning I'd like to think.Also an obvious connection with the Alien movies could be made when seeing a sculpted full developed Xenomorph in the ceiling , in the room with the big head.

As for The Engineers, from what I Understand, It kind of feels like they ar scientists creating species, tempering with rules of nature, so the one in the beginning could be seen as being punished.But what I like to know is why there was only when left alife in the ship, was he the one who killed the others, was he kind of like the evil mastermind , willing to spread the galaxy with the xenomrph spores, I guess that is what the cannon is for....very facinating.
 
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Visually it's good. I liked the design of The Prometheus ship. The Giger inspired interiors of the 'space jockey' vessels were good too. I agree, there's no memorable weaponry.

Guy Pearce was a strange choice. I like him as an actor, but he was underused in the role and the old man makeup looked awful. Maybe he should have been cast in another role, his acting chops might have brought some depth to one of the other protagonists.

My overall impression of the film is that there is the seed of brilliance, but it never grows into what it could be. I found myself waiting for a 'woooah!' moment when everything would flip on it's head and I would find myself on the edge of my seat, or mind-blown by some amazing new concept, or scared witless by the tension of a scary moment. None of those things ever came, there was no 'woooah' moment. Where the film really fails is the writing and editing. It conspicuously fails to build ANY tension. It leaves the viewer feeling confused and short-changed.

If this film wasn't set in the 'Alien' universe it would be a gigantic turkey. As it is, it is slightly redeemed by taking us back into that universe, also Ridley Scott's eye for great visuals throws us a few bones and keeps things semi-interesting.

I will watch the film again, to make sure I haven't missed the point or viewed it with a screwed perspective, but not at the cinema.

Ridley's last film, 'Robin Hood' felt equally muddled and confusing. Prometheus is a better film overall, but it still suffers some of the same cinematic ailments as it's predecessor. Ridley needs to fix that if there is any hope of a great trilogy here.
 
So the writer is the guy who did Lost? The series that had myriads of build-ups in small segments that never went anywhere and never lead to a satisfactory conclusion to everything that was built up? No wonder it felt so jarred and segmented in the story-telling. The guy just can't hold one thread and go with it, but weaves multiple strands that never connects and never goes anywhere.

He should sick to TV series.
 
Films that I've really enjoyed recently that are not over thirty years old!
The Avengers (loved that film, seen it twice!),John Carter, Rise of the Planet of the Apes ,X men First Class, Captain America, Thor, Kick Ass , District Nine, Moon, 300, Inception, Star Trek ,Avatar to name but a few. I'm not really THAT critical of them providing they tell a good tale and they are reasonably entertaining.Nearly all of cinema science fiction and fantasy is nothing more than a slice of entertaining that takes us out of reality (hence the genre names) for a while and occasionally makes you think.
BUT the important thing is that the good stories obey their own internal logic and they go somewhere and do something with it. Prometheus just didn't do that very well.For example.

Huge Spoilers.
When Miliburn and Fifield decided to run away and get lost,and they return to bed down in exactly the same place that frightened them away in the first place. Both of them then die there ,killed by alien snakes that apparently evolved out of the grue in the ampules in a few hours (not in the millions of years as happened on Earth).
One inhales the X files grue, dies and becomes a "mutating zombie" that attacks the crew later. The other gets the snake down the throat and dies.The creature then apparently doesn't do a thing, other than stick there until disturbed where upon it jumps out and runs away. It doesn't even attack the people discovering it a second time. The snakes then "disappear" from the storyline.They didn't grow, plant a chestburst or change form as you might expect, they just went. Gone from the plot when you expected they might be of some importance. Afterall they are found in the ampule room, evolved there in a few hours, killed people by spraying them with acid or choking them but instead they were just a wasted storyline put in there for no other reason than providing a couple of gruesome deaths.
Absolutely nothing is explained or discussed about it. I expected at least something to burst out of Millburn later or to find him mutating like Holloway but no it just killed him. And thats it. Fifield ,although infected by the same grue as Holloway instead of going like a bad green cheese ,goes a totally different route. He goes yellow cheddar, kills a few people then gets runover. So what was the point? If the grue reanimates dead things why didn't work on the engineers corpses?
All the three deaths seemed to provoke no discussion about how or what killed them.Everything else here is dead and killed in nasty ways but against all odds even these recent hostile actions seem to encourage the opposite reaction in the survivors, a belief that secrets revealed here will actually "prolong life". It just didn't make sense.
 
Films that I've really enjoyed recently that are not over thirty years old!
The Avengers (loved that film, seen it twice!),John Carter, Rise of the Planet of the Apes ,X men First Class, Captain America, Thor, Kick Ass , District Nine, Moon, 300, Inception, Star Trek ,Avatar to name but a few. I'm not really THAT critical of them providing they tell a good tale and they are reasonably entertaining.Nearly all of cinema science fiction and fantasy is nothing more than a slice of entertaining that takes us out of reality (hence the genre names) for a while and occasionally makes you think.
BUT the important thing is that the good stories obey their own internal logic and they go somewhere and do something with it. Prometheus just didn't do that very well.For example.

Huge Spoilers.
When Miliburn and Fifield decided to run away and get lost,and they return to bed down in exactly the same place that frightened them away in the first place. Both of them then die there ,killed by alien snakes that apparently evolved out of the grue in the ampules in a few hours (not in the millions of years as happened on Earth).
One inhales the X files grue, dies and becomes a "mutating zombie" that attacks the crew later. The other gets the snake down the throat and dies.The creature then apparently doesn't do a thing, other than stick there until disturbed where upon it jumps out and runs away. It doesn't even attack the people discovering it a second time. The snakes then "disappear" from the storyline.They didn't grow, plant a chestburst or change form as you might expect, they just went. Gone from the plot when you expected they might be of some importance. Afterall they are found in the ampule room, evolved there in a few hours, killed people by spraying them with acid or choking them but instead they were just a wasted storyline put in there for no other reason than providing a couple of gruesome deaths.
Absolutely nothing is explained or discussed about it. I expected at least something to burst out of Millburn later or to find him mutating like Holloway but no it just killed him. And thats it. Fifield ,although infected by the same grue as Holloway instead of going like a bad green cheese ,goes a totally different route. He goes yellow cheddar, kills a few people then gets runover. So what was the point? If the grue reanimates dead things why didn't work on the engineers corpses?
All the three deaths seemed to provoke no discussion about how or what killed them.Everything else here is dead and killed in nasty ways but against all odds even these recent hostile actions seem to encourage the opposite reaction in the survivors, a belief that secrets revealed here will actually "prolong life". It just didn't make sense.

Maybe the creatures were all in different experimental stages, it could explain the different reactions.Personally I see the creatures as undeveloped parasites....Maybe the xenomorphs from the Alien movies are combinations/evolutions from these creatures, the creature in the end hints too much to the Alien creature , to not have some kind of relation to it, like prehistoric version of it, like an evolutionary stage.Maybe that is what Ridley is trying to show, how did the Xenomorph come to be, maybe it was genetically altered and cultivated by Weyland, left to evolve for a few hundred years and than send a team over (the Nostromo) to gatter information on using the creature for Biological warfare for instance??
 
So the writer is the guy who did Lost?

He should sick to TV series.

Maybe just just quit. I really loved LOST, but the last season left me completely unsatisfied. Destroyed my whole love for the show. Nothing was explained or connected, same with Prometheus.
 
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