Hey everyone,
I'm Adam, long long time BTTF die-hard (and post over at bttf.com under the same user name), first time poster here, but long time lurker. Anyway...
I just saw this thread in a google search and felt compelled to offer a couple of tidbits of info I have learned in my research.
First off, the down vest, I'm as clueless as anyone! I've looked and looked, and looked some more for the better part of 5 years now and have found a lot of close calls, but nothing 100%. So I'm totally in the dark on that one.
The denim jacket though, I've got a little more info on. :cool
First things first, I know of at least 5 of this jacket being in existence...I think.
At the VERY least 2 were used in making the films for sure, however like any film it's safe to assume many were used. We know of at least two though because one was given away by Teen Beat magazine in September 1985, years before BTTF2 was made, and we clearly see one in the antique store window.
A couple of side notes, the Guess jeans and jacket used in the film were
not used as product placement! This is why the Guess logos we're removed from the jacket pocket and back of the jeans. The same with the Nike logo being removed from the Nike Bruin's tongue as well as the back of the shoe.
This is important info, because it removes these companies from being any assistance to us, as (at the time) they probably weren't even aware their products were used in one of the most famous movies of all time, and as such probably didn't keep any records.
The next thing I should point out: BTTF was clearly shot with some kind of light filter. I own many original BTTF film exact items (Valterra skateboard, Nike Bruins, acid wash Guess jeans, etc.) and NONE of them look exactly like they do on screen, it's very obvious the color has been filtered somehow. I feel this is relevant info, because all the other versions of this jacket that have been located do not appear to match the one used on screen, but I'm positive the ones found are the correct jacket.
Another thing I should make note of, is that Michael J Fox's wardrobe had to be quickly styled, because there was very little time between shooting with Eric Stoltz and when Michael took over. This tells us that if these items were all in fact store bought, then they were all purchased in early 1985.
With that said, it's picture time!
(From L to R)
1. Marty's film used jacket...we're all painfully aware.
2. The jacket found on ebay by BTTF.com member Gamester. The original owner of this jacket purchased it while on vacation in 1985 at a Guess outlet store in get this, Puerta Vuallarta, Mexico of all places! More on that later...
3. This photo taken in 1985 was posted by a BTTF.com member named Matt, who purchased this at a southern California Guess outlet store in '85 and no longer owns at it, but did at one time, helping to further prove it's existence as something once available at retail.
4. This is a screenshot from the TV show Facts of Life, the episode it's from originally aired in Nov 1985 again confirming it was at least made or available in 1985. I will also add that when I first made this discovery I contacted the costume designer, and explained my interest to her and she told me that while she couldn't recall exactly where she had acquired the jacket that she would have bought it at retail, and that it was not the same one used in BTTF.
SO...with that knowledge, we can determine a few things rather conclusively I'd say. It DID exist at regular retail in 1985, BTTF's film color has been filtered somehow, and the jacket was altered for the film as it is the only one with a lining.
Here's where I've discovered something a little bit interesting though.... :love
Where did BTTF shoot...California
Where did Facts of Life shoot...California
Where did Matt find his jacket...California
Where did the ebay jacket come from...Mexico, which borders...California
The two we know of from normal people were both found in outlet stores, Guess has no record of this jacket, and it seems to be WAY harder to find than almost any other similar Guess jacket from the time. Strange right? Well now check out, exhibit B:
On the left we have the tag from an inverted color jacket with leather accents, otherwise exact same model, and on the right the tag of the correct jacket, notice anything odd? How about that it's not just "made in Mexico" but that it's "Hecho en Mexico"?! We having fun yet? haha
It's started to become clear to me lately that this jacket did exist in some limited quantities but that it probably never hit regular retail, because it was exclusive to the Mexico/Southern California region. This would possibly explain why we never see them showing up for sale in the US, and the one time we did it was picked up in a vacation from Mexico, because it's a Mexican jacket. Which is a big part of the problem in locating one, Mexico isn't like the US. People don't have an obsession with nostalgia and vintage clothing items like we do. As far as I'm aware of, they don't even have an ebay equivalent! So for all we know there could be handfuls of these things scattered around Mexican thrift stores, flea markets, etc. and none of us would know it.
So, that's all I got! I hope this post was informative and helpful to those that want this jacket as badly as I do, and I hope someone can turn up a copy of that 9/85 Teen Beat magazine, because I would love to know if it still has the tag in that jacket and if it was also "Hecho en Mexico" to help prove my theory.