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    May 21, 2011, 10:32 AM - Re: Anh Star Destroyer Devestator Parts Map #51

    omes72 said: View Post
    Just scored the Hasegawa 1/450 HMS Vanguard & 3 other early OOP Hasegawa 1/450 kits for a very good price.
    The one I was after was the Vanguard which is used on the Devestator & extremely rare.
    Getting the other 3's an awsome bonus.
    Hi Jason,
    Unless this is a re-tool like the Akagi, I hope you didn't pay more than this is going for!!
    LuckyModel.com - Finest Plastic Model Kits and Accessories

    Cheers and good luck with the rest of the ID's, John
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    Aug 25, 2012, 8:12 AM - Re: Anh Star Destroyer Devestator Parts Map #52

    Bump for awesomeness ID work and mapping,is this going to continue?
    Ive started collect the kit slowly...
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    Jun 5, 2013, 1:51 PM - Re: Anh Star Destroyer Devestator Parts Map #53

    Talkierg said: View Post
    Bump for awesomeness ID work and mapping,is this going to continue?
    Ive started collect the kit slowly...
    I'd certainly like it to continue. I've been pouring over kits myself recently, and I'll post any new finds that I come across.

    I'm moving ahead with the photogrametric approach (apologies for my slow progress) for the overall proportions and I'm starting to see some interesting results. The downside to using photogrametry is that you're at the mercy of the quality of the photographs available. Have a look at an early version of the geometry that I was able to glean from some of the images available online:



    Even in this rough state it's fairly straightforward to take some reliable measurements for the length of the hull etc. but I'd like to work from a more concise and complete result.

    There are a lot of images out there but only a limited number qualify for this approach unfortunately. In order to yield the best results, the photography has to meet the following criteria:

    1. All of the surfaces have to be recorded from multiple angles. This goes without saying - I'd expect to use at least a few hundred images on a subject such as the Devastator for the best result, using multiple captures.
    2. Each image should have at least a 50% overlap with other neighboring images.
    3. The lighting has to be consistent. The lighting should be identical from image to image, which means no flash photography for the best results. A challenge here considering that the model tends to be exhibited under low-light conditions. Which brings us to the next point,
    4. Wide depth of field. The images should have as wide a depth of field as possible. The more of the subject that is in focus in each image, the better the result. Again, a challenge in a low light environment without a flash and without cranking the ISO to such a point where the images become too grainy/noisy.
    5. Variety of POV. Closeups and longer shots work hand in hand.
    6. No reflective/transparent surfaces: the Devastator excels here - luckily the bluescreen photography limitations in the mid 70s provide us with an optimum shooting surface for our purposes as well.

    The exhibit containing the model has recently made it's way to the Indiana State Museum:

    Indiana State Museum > Plan Your Visit > Exhibitions

    Has anyone here gone to see the exhibit? Or can confirm that the prop is on display (it appears to be: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fleswor.../8894665411/)? If so, I'd love to get as sense as to how the model is being displayed and under what conditions as I plan to make the trip down in order to gather material. Does anyone know what the best time of day/week is best to go to avoid a crowd, and what, if any, restrictions they have on photography? Am I going to get any grief if I spend a couple of hours hovering around the display with a tripod? Ideally I'd spend a couple of sessions, once shooting the model, assessing, and then returning to fill in any gaps and/or to make any necessary adjustments to my approach having gone over the images.

    That said, I'd also be happy to graciously accept any assistance that anyone in the area might be able to provide (additional photography, etc.).

    Thoughts? Suggestions?
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    Jun 5, 2013, 9:26 PM - Re: Anh Star Destroyer Devestator Parts Map #54

    What an awesome post to wake up to. I remember chatting to you about this and im glad you continuing with it.
    The video look's incredible and this process has the potential for that next step in supper accurate scaling of the models.
    Well done.
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    Jun 10, 2013, 1:44 AM - Re: Anh Star Destroyer Devestator Parts Map #55

    dsp5500 said: View Post
    What an awesome post to wake up to. I remember chatting to you about this and im glad you continuing with it.
    The video look's incredible and this process has the potential for that next step in supper accurate scaling of the models.
    Well done.
    Thanks, yeah, I think that it's going to work out. Like I'd mentioned to you earlier, I'd like to make available to the community at large all of the images that I'll be collecting as well as the findings for the dimensions.
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    Jun 16, 2013, 12:22 AM - Re: Anh Star Destroyer Devestator Parts Map #56

    Moving along, how am I doing so far?

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    I've just been overwriting the same file with updates, is that the best way to go? Is it better to maintain a list of the changes in the edit? Or to add a new post with a new image whenever there is an addition?

    Edit: Updated image.
    Last edited by stonky; Jun 17, 2013 at 3:12 PM. Reason: Added more parts.
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    Jun 18, 2013, 9:03 PM - Re: Anh Star Destroyer Devestator Parts Map #57

    what a great thread!
    Thanks all, for sharing such great information
    Stonky, I may have over-looked it here , but what software are you using for the Photogrametry?
    nice work!

    I hate to sound lazy, but has anyone done a set of blue-prints/schematics outlining the basic core shapes/superstructure of the Devastator?
    thanks
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    Jun 19, 2013, 11:47 AM - Re: Anh Star Destroyer Devestator Parts Map #58

    Thanks! I'm using 123D Catch and I'm looking into Photomodeler as well. I'm hoping to come away with exactly that - a set of accurate blueprints/schematics for the model. Like I had mentioned earlier, I'm trying to do as much preparation ahead of a planned trip down to photograph the model in the exhibition so that I know what I need before I get there.

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    Jun 20, 2013, 12:51 PM - Re: Anh Star Destroyer Devestator Parts Map #59

    Sounds very cool,

    Thanks for the info.

    I'm headed to the Star Wars exhibit up in Ottawa for a similar recon trip
    haven't laid eyes on the X-1 TIE since 1996 in San Francisco -also going for other ships too

    I'll take a page from your book on color balancing etc for the pics...Hope I come back with something worth sharing
    I have a fairly mediocre camera these days.
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    Jun 25, 2013, 12:38 PM - Re: Anh Star Destroyer Devestator Parts Map #60

    Thanks, yeah, it's going okay, so far so good.

    I'm meaning to get up to the exhibit with the X-1 TIE in Ottawa this summer as well - I'm looking forward to seeing what you come back with! If I get there after you and you miss something, let me know and I'll try to get it for you.

    Incidentally, there are some errors and omissions in the images and kit lists that start this thread, maybe I should post some updates/addendums...
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    Aug 16, 2013, 12:41 AM - Re: Anh Star Destroyer Devestator Parts Map #61

    Just got back from the exhibit, going through some of the material now (here's a crop from one of the images, click for full res):

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    It's not the easiest thing to photograph under those conditions, but I think I came back with enough to get a solid look at the overall length/width using photogrammetry. I'll update as I make progress, and as I get all of the images online somewhere.

    Cheers!
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    Aug 16, 2013, 4:27 AM - Re: Anh Star Destroyer Devestator Parts Map #62

    Cant wait to see the results, Should be interesting.

    Rob
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    Aug 16, 2013, 4:27 AM - Re: Anh Star Destroyer Devestator Parts Map #63

    Wow,never seen closer pic shot of the turret,thanks for sharing Stonky

    Don
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    Aug 27, 2013, 7:28 PM - Re: Anh Star Destroyer Devestator Parts Map #64

    jawsmodels said: View Post
    Just scored the Hasegawa 1/450 HMS Vanguard & 3 other early OOP Hasegawa 1/450 kits for a very good price.
    The one I was after was the Vanguard which is used on the Devestator & extremely rare.
    Getting the other 3's an awsome bonus.
    You're going to want some parts from that Tirpitz as well - the 4-barreled brim trench guns and at least one part on the front of the superstructure are from the Tirpitz/Bismarck.
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    Aug 30, 2013, 1:49 AM - Re: Anh Star Destroyer Devestator Parts Map #65

    Hmmm.
    Most of the map pictures aren't in their spots.
    Ok I will update the maps.
    Should be easier inserting with the new system.

    Oh & this model is closer to 4' not 3'............................
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    Nov 25, 2013, 10:26 AM - Re: Anh Star Destroyer Devestator Parts Map #66

    Everything that I see so far in terms of my photogrammetry work puts the model at 48" (4') long, I'll have something definitive to show shortly. It's amazing how asymmetrical the bridge construction is when it's submitted to this type of scrutiny.

    I'm having a heck of a time identifying the "fourth" canon turret:

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    I know that it's been said that it's a JGSDF, type 74, which is what it looks like, but I can't seem to find one that has the carved out "pockets" around the perimeter - anyone else have any luck? My search continues...
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    Nov 25, 2013, 1:19 PM - Re: Anh Star Destroyer Devestator Parts Map #67

    Yes. This was a big head-scratcher for me too! But, years ago, I found it in the Bandai 1/24 M60. It's made from the commander's cupola "mini turret" from that kit.

    Note that it's NOT in the M60A1 kit. That kit has a different main turret and commander's turret.

    What makes this part more difficult to ID was the fact that someone at ILM decided to file down the edges between the view ports. In other words, the unmodified part is circular.

    -Marc
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    Nov 26, 2013, 12:46 AM - Re: Anh Star Destroyer Devestator Parts Map #68

    That's terrific, thank you! I was convinced that it was either a 1/72 or a 1/76 scale - I must have looked at a hundred kits!


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    Nov 26, 2013, 8:56 AM - Re: Anh Star Destroyer Devestator Parts Map #69

    Good luck finding a Bandai 1/24 M60. Last one I saw was $400 or so. You can find Entex Porsche's all the live long day, but the M60 (no bloody A,B,C, or D) is a tough one!

    (I need one too, unnghh, so if you find it, cast the part? )
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    Nov 26, 2013, 12:44 PM - Re: Anh Star Destroyer Devestator Parts Map #70

    Will do.

    Here's my low res photogrammetry build of the area:

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    I'll post the high res when it's done. It's VERY useful to be able to orbit around the model in 3D in terms of angles, measurements, etc.
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    Dec 2, 2013, 7:26 PM - Re: Anh Star Destroyer Devestator Parts Map #71

    I might be able to be coerced into loaning my M60 part(s) to Jason for casting.

    However, I'm going to hold out until he finishes his T-16 Skyhopper kit. That way, he can return the Scotch tape spool that I loaned him already...
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    Dec 2, 2013, 8:03 PM - Re: Anh Star Destroyer Devestator Parts Map #72

    IMAI is another source for the Bandai 1/24 M60 part.
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    Dec 3, 2013, 11:57 PM - Re: Anh Star Destroyer Devestator Parts Map #73

    Yes, part(s), with an "s" - upon closer inspection there are more than one 1/24 M60 parts in there.
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    Dec 4, 2013, 1:14 AM - Re: Anh Star Destroyer Devestator Parts Map #74

    It's the same kit... So it has the "other" parts too.
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    Dec 14, 2013, 11:15 AM - Re: Anh Star Destroyer Devestator Parts Map #75

    A couple more of my pics from the exhibit this year:

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    It was a challenge given the dark conditions and because I wanted to keep as much in focus as possible I used a fairly small aperture setting (f16 and up) so noise was unavoidable. If only they'd allow a tripod.

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