Millennium Falcon - Ship of Riddles

Sure, I get that there have been a lot of very good looks inside the ship. It seems that these artists have done a great job of figuring out all the contradictions and such.

My query was about figuring out what would actually fit inside the full-size sets. Like the one built for "Empire". What would the rooms look like if they had to fit inside it? Would there even be enough room to stand up? I understand that the "Empire" set wasn't even full-scale.

And then on the other hand, how distorted would the exterior look if it was built around the full-size exterior sets?

Thanks for all the comments, though.

Well as far as that goes, if you made all the interior sets try and fit into the almost full size one they built for the set, then I'm guessing it would be tall enough to stand in the middle but everything would quickly get shorter as you reached the narrow side walls. So lots of stooping to get around.

If you made the exterior to fit over the preexisting size of the interior, it wouldn't look so much distorted, just a larger version of the ship, which I believe the "blueprints" give a real size the ship would have to be for it (and a nice little in universe explanation as to why there are varying other accounts of its size else where). and honestly I don't think the on set model was terribly smaller than the "real thing" (although someone my have to correct me on that) so if you saw a full size one you might not really notice the size difference from the set, and if you did it would probably just be in the height of the side walls since they are so narrow.
 
Hi, this thread has diminished in time, however the title refers to a Web-site that closed on 2002, but had very insightful commentaries on the Millennium Falcon, it's new resting places is: http://web.archive.org/web/20010330140327/http://www.synicon.com.au/sw/mf/falcon.htm

if you look inside, you'll see a lot of analysis on the falcon, with pictures and comparisons, really a work of LOVE done a a great person called Robert Brown, who is no longer active on the internet, (too bad!) he even came, after much analysis and pondering, to his own floor plan that matches pretty well the interiors with the exteriors, only making these few changes:

"(1) the ship is now 40% bigger - supported by vast amounts of secondary evidence
(2) the ring corridor entry to the forward hold is no longer perpendicular - it doesn't have to be!
(3) the forward hold is straight, and centred - as it MUST be!
(4) the ring corridor is now concentric, and a little larger - logical, necessary, but at odds with the entry ramp.
(5) the turret access is now a small corridor - the only way it can be done, sadly."

Millennium Falcon - blueprints by Robert Brown.jpg

Check the rest of the site!!
 
The sad fact is that interior sets are built for filming and actors to walk around in, and exterior sets are built to unrealistic blueprints. There are very few exceptions. On the NautilusSubmarine.com site we have marveled at the dichotomy for years. In the case of 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea (Disney, 1954) there is no way that the sets, as built for filming would fit into the Nautilus hull as the various miniature submarine models and the exterior deck sets were built.
 
It doesn't look as though they gave any space to the engines and their vents that have so much room on the rear exterior quarter of the Falcon. Great model, but, in the final analysis, not logical.
 
Sourdoh is correct. I don't think anybody, not even George Lucas, would have thought that ANH would have started a cult following, and that 40 years later we would still be still discussing the realism of the design (not to mention other details, such as mandibles, greebles, and the differences between the 5' and the 32" MFs). All George had to do is take a page from Doctor Who and his TARDIS, and it wouldn't be an issue anymore. :lol

TazMan2000
 

I have seen that video, the Falcon they show, even though is a beautifully rendered model, with exquisite lavish details, is based on the "school of thought" of the incredible cross-sections, done by Dr. David West Reynolds (Lucasfilm's resident archaeologist), which, sorry to say, and I'm quoting Robert Brown here, has a few mistakes:

"1. the core caps appear to be capable of rotation, though rotational movement is not explicit in the drawing
2. the engine quadrant has a small cargo hold, doubtless a necessary nod to preceding ''official'' interpretations, although the angle of projection attempts to disguise this error [A mistake of course, all Star Wars ships have MASSIVE engines, and the model barely shows any engine at all]
unclear from this low-res image, but the ring corridor MAY be shifted eccentrically off-centre towards the portside, OR in fact, it may be discontinuous as it is in the BTM:CD, the angle of projection disguises this. [Me: the ring corridor is indeed shifted portside -left-]
3. the concussion missiles appear to be a semi-permanent feature of the upper cargo-loading nose rather than a specialist loadout for the Battle of Endor.
4. there is no definitive explanation for the location of the highly problematic escape pods ~ I cannot blame Dr Reynolds for avoiding the issue. The pods are a no-win situation.
we have no idea what resides in the aft-starboard quarter of the ship (due to the angle) but I would suspect the presence of another room similar to that in the aft-port quarter. The ANH footage makes it quite plain that the ring corridor on the starboard side does extend aft from the entry ramp. [Me: indeed, there is a room there, and if you look at ANH when the Troopers are inspecting the falcon you can clearly see the Ring corridor extends in that area]"

However the Cross-sections interpretation, does have some good points according to Mr. Brown:

"1. the forward hold sits ''square'' (not at an angle) and seems to be LARGELY located under the jawbox, although it appears to extend a little more to the portside than the starboard
2. no escape pods in the docking arms
3. docking ports used as airlock/loading ports
4. there is no tophatch in the starboard docking arm - although its nature (indeed presence or absence) on the portside is unconfirmed
5. no stairs in the cockpit corridor, but the angle of rise problem is disguised by the projection of the drawing
6. the gun-turret ladder has been moved considerably closer to the centre of the ship than it appears in the film (as it must) although this variance has been disguised by the angle of projection
7. the exhaust vents are clearly associated in some way with engine function [we don't see that in the model but we can assume ;) ]
8. the mandibles are associated with cargo loading and there is a cargo receiving bay forward of the main hold, and low-headroom areas in the front of the ship where such cargo might be stored
9. there is a bunk room in the aft-port quarter, off the ring corridor [Me: it's right there!!]"

I personally consider the model a very good aproximation, considering the problems Sourdoh mentions about interiors not matching exteriors. I had planned to make a new cross-section of the ship based on Mr Brown's floor plan, since his takes into account all scenes from the movies, something the licencees don't always do, if I make it, I'll post it, so you guys can fire ;)
 
I saw a picture one time showing how the falcon is a freighter, (at least from the picture), and its more like a freight train where the engine car is the falcon, and the freight cars set right in between the front two points, and it pushes them like a tugboat.
Also, I was only responding to the portion of the topic about how big it would need to be to haul freight. :)MELrr4h.jpg
 
I saw a picture one time showing how the falcon is a freighter, (at least from the picture), and its more like a freight train where the engine car is the falcon, and the freight cars set right in between the front two points, and it pushes them like a tugboat.
Also, I was only responding to the portion of the topic about how big it would need to be to haul freight. :)View attachment 698606
That's actually a pretty cool way to rectify that. It's like a space semi-truck, but Han just drives it without the cargo trailer.
 
Nice to see this thread revived. Regarding the original intent, I don't think any attempt should be made to fit an interior in the exterior set built. It was, what, about 60%-70% of full scale? Too many problems, from the actors having to duck to board (which they wouldn't if it had been built full scale) to the cockpit being too small for two people (let alone a human and a wookiee) to sit side-by-side, to the quad turrets being mounted on a single center pipe instead of the brackets seen from the interior and on the miniatures and so on and so on. I always felt it was silly to build the exterior set so underscaled.

The interior is similarly a mess, for all the reasons known. Here's SteveStarkiller's lovely overlay to show just how painful the problem is:

6310857733_ed1130f46a_o.jpg


While it is possible to make an exterior that will fit that, I consider that more headache than it's worth to correct someone else's sloppiness. Having the boarding ramp hinge at the edge of the gun well, so that entry corridor is running through the ladderwell? Ugh!

I've always felt a far better endeavor was to "fix" the interior set to agree with the gestalt filming miniature(s). BruceKenobi, the fix you posted was a stepping stone toward what I feel is the best "what should have been" Falcon. That one fixes the angles and placements, but I'm one of those who always felt the rectilinear main hold didn't work well for the overall design of a ring corridor in a round ship. This is my preferred take on it:

mm-mf_zps579318e7.jpg


--Jonah
 
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Nice to see this thread revived. Regarding the original intent, I don't think any attempt should be made to fit an interior in the exterior set built. It was, what, about 60%-70% of full scale? Too many problems, from the actors having to duck to board (which they wouldn't if it had been built full scale) to the cockpit being too small for two people (let alone a human and a wookiee) to sit side-by-side, to the quad turrets being mounted on a single center pipe instead of the brackets seen from the interior and on the miniatures and so on and so on. I always felt it was silly to build the exterior set so underscaled.
I see your point IP, and you are right that the sets (docking bay 94 being half, and Hoth being smaller) are too hard to fit, but those where the sets that were made, and to a degree is what they thought the falcon was, it is kind of philosophical isn’t it? The right scale was never built.

The interior is similarly a mess, for all the reasons known. Here's @SteveStarkiller's lovely overlay to show just how painful the problem is:

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6102/6310857733_ed1130f46a_o.jpg

While it is possible to make an exterior that will fit that, I consider that more headache than it's worth to correct someone else's sloppiness. Having the boarding ramp hinge at the edge of the gun well, so that entry corridor is running through the ladderwell? Ugh!
@SteveStarkiller’s job is always something to awe at, and I love what he has pulled here

I've always felt a far better endeavor was to "fix" the interior set to agree with the gestalt filming miniature(s). @BruceKenobi, the fix you posted was a stepping stone toward what I feel is the best "what should have been" Falcon. That one fixes the angles and placements, but I'm one of those who always felt the rectilinear main hold didn't work well for the overall design of a ring corridor in a round ship. This is my preferred take on it:

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Star Wars/mm-mf_zps579318e7.jpg

--Jonah

It is an interesting point you make when you say it is better to “fix” the problem, because it implicitly says that we know more about that creation than its creators, and again it is a philosophical issue. The fix I posted was the job of R. Brown, and he was onto something, achieving to almost make it fit, your post is a wonderful piece of work, the “should have been”…but it part that bugs me is that “should’ve been” doesn’t equal “was” and if we admit that the ship has to be bigger, then the work of art was sloppy and doesn’t deserve the love it attracts from all of us. The rectilinear hold is more in tune with what you see in the movie, the only true measure of what “exists”.

I think we can agree that there was a problem, and that we both want a concentric ring corridor instead of the floor plan the Incredible Cross-Sections book is trying to sell us. Right?
 
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