Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release)

What did you think of Star Wars: The Last Jedi?

  • It was great. Loved it. Don't miss it at the theaters.

    Votes: 154 26.6%
  • It was good. Liked it very much. Worth the theater visit.

    Votes: 135 23.4%
  • It was okay. Not too pleased with it. Could watch it at the cinema once or wait for home video.

    Votes: 117 20.2%
  • It was disappointing. Watch it on home video instead.

    Votes: 70 12.1%
  • It was bad. Don't waste your time with it.

    Votes: 102 17.6%

  • Total voters
    578
@MooCriket. Dude, you’re on fire with your posts lately :cheers


When the guard wraps that chain thing round Reys blade and pulls her to him, did anyone else think ‘turn it off you ****!’?
Haha, yea. But to be fair chances are that ridiculous chain thing would probably have taken her hand if she did. I quite often thought during any lightsaber fight btw that they should just slide the blade down to the opponent’s wrist when locking blades instead of pushing t each other coz there’s no crossguard.
As other people already pointed out I have much bigger issues with the red guys spinning and dancing around for no reason.
 
@MooCriket. Dude, you’re on fire with your posts lately :cheers


When the guard wraps that chain thing round Reys blade and pulls her to him, did anyone else think ‘turn it off you ****!’?

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Random "Damn that looked dumb" moment that popped into my head: When Rey was "training" with the lightsaber, just seemingly swinging it around randomly like a child does when they get their toy version...and I'm thinking, "This chick just defeated Kylo Ren in combat; how is this ridiculous looking moment supposed to carry any weight at all?"

Mind you, I'm truly over it. Truly. But it doesn't keep me from reflecting on the facepalm moments. :-\
 
Random "Damn that looked dumb" moment that popped into my head: When Rey was "training" with the lightsaber, just seemingly swinging it around randomly like a child does when they get their toy version...and I'm thinking, "This chick just defeated Kylo Ren in combat; how is this ridiculous looking moment supposed to carry any weight at all?"

Mind you, I'm truly over it. Truly. But it doesn't keep me from reflecting on the facepalm moments. :-\
How about the deleted scene where she sprints half a mile with the lightsaber on?
 
• The film originally opened in a different way. After the crawl, the camera would pan down to Finn in a medical dome where he’d wake up as he does in the film, screaming for Rey. Then we would have seen the First Order arrive to destroy the Resistance through his eyes. This opening was scripted and actually shot, and parts of it were edited into the final movie, even though Johnson suspected it wasn’t dramatic enough early on. You can see this original opening on the home release.

Every SW film opens in space and slowly pans to a ship (even Rogue 1 followed this format minus the crawl). While not a "rule" set in stone, it is tradition. So, he either just didn't know which is inexcusable IMO for a brand this big, or didn't care.

I'd still like to believe he just didn't know and needed to be reminded, but...

Edit: I was wrong. Guess I should have watched it before commenting. The deleted opening would seem to hold to tradition for the most part.
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNje_YmkWq4

If this snippet isn't enough to convince you that Rian Johnson fundamentally does NOT understand Star Wars, then I don't know what will. Where the prequels may have tried to convince us that the Jedi were corrupted by their complacency, Luke was better than them by seeing past their dogma in the OT. But this?????

So apathy is now considered heroism?

According to Johnson, Luke was wrong to try and help Han and Leia in ESB. Even though he failed, at least Luke tried to do what was right. That was what made him heroic! Despite the fact that the Sith are already in existence, meaning Kylo and Snoke destroying the galaxy and wiping out the central governing body, Luke is being a hero by sitting on an island and sulking like a bitter old man.

**** you Rian Johnson. **** you. Apathy is NOT heroism. What kind of theme is that to tell children? When good people do nothing to stop evil then they are complicit.

This is not groundbreaking and this is not subversive because it's "adding" to the mythos of Star Wars, this is propaganda masquerading as entertainment.

If there was a chance that I was on the fence about giving this movie another shot, it's gone now.

I am livid.
 
So I finally watched this thing. I don't really know what to say, like I didn't hate it but I didn't like really anything? I guess I am just not really relevant to the demographic, whoever that was found to be by a team of monetization consultants, apparently it isn't me. I don't feel like this is a big loss but I do wonder where it means things are going. What was that continuity from some novel or something where there was no word for going to the movies? People "went to the Disneys" instead. I think it was a sci-fi, possibly dystopian. So, anyways.

There were many quips, at least nobody winked at me. When strange awkward slapstick is your default approach to presenting any scene with actions (that's actions, not action), everyone appears to be a bumbling incompetent. There are many, many unconvincing CGI animals. All of these animals look the same. All of these animals make the same kind of giant eyed cat meme expression, while looking the same. There are many of them. The rebel fleet seems to be staffed entirely by plucky 19 year olds and geriatrics with no one between. There was some really weird callback to blue milk, if I did not know about blue milk, god only knows what I would have made of that scene, was Adam Sandler involved? Chewie's eyes look weird. Yoda looks weird.

Overall there is just some really strange disconnect happening somewhere for me. The action stuff looks like a videogame, nothing really seems I don't know, kinetic? This is reinforced by the many CGI characters. Everyone speaks like they are delivering lines. Roll these together and you're sort of watching a plastic facsimile, like a theme park I suppose.

It looked, sounded and moved like an Avengers movie, I guess the formula is now locked down and patent approved. Loads of stuff happened but... nothing really happened? I don't really remember anyone's name, any of the new people. Oh yeah, Rose. That is a name, so I got one.

I don't really know what to think beyond that so I guess now it will just fade away. That seems ok with me.

Oh wait, last thing, that throne room looked like ****. I did my best to be nice but ********.
 
Good Lord the deleted scenes make it even worse.
Almost every scene has some lame joke that had to be cut. Rey waving the lightsaber for the caretakers, Tom Hardy's slapstick stormtrooper, adjusting Rose's curls, Rose biting Hux. Then there's a full 6 minutes of Canto Bight cut. Why was it even visualized? Why was it shot? The doc goes on and on about what's essentially a fashion show of getting 100 extras ready for the Casino. They built this huge set for these sequences with no story value... it's mind boggling. It would be like going to Cloud City and then leaving in 30 mins because they couldn't find Lando.

And the costume designer says they spent 5-6 months designing Kylo's scar. Because Rian thought it looked goofy in TFA. :facepalm

If this snippet isn't enough to convince you that Rian Johnson fundamentally does NOT understand Star Wars, then I don't know what will. Where the prequels may have tried to convince us that the Jedi were corrupted by their complacency, Luke was better than them by seeing past their dogma in the OT. But this?????

So apathy is now considered heroism?

According to Johnson, Luke was wrong to try and help Han and Leia in ESB. Even though he failed, at least Luke tried to do what was right. That was what made him heroic! Despite the fact that the Sith are already in existence, meaning Kylo and Snoke destroying the galaxy and wiping out the central governing body, Luke is being a hero by sitting on an island and sulking like a bitter old man.
Yeah he basically says that Yoda's philosophy is do nothing. Did he forget when he said "You must. Face. Vader."??
Obi Wan says the Jedi ruled with peace for 1,000 generations... that's like 25-30,000 YEARS. And Luke thinks the Jedi should end based on his failure with Ben? But by the end he's saying "Nah, nevermind, I won't be the last Jedi." It doesn't even make sense within it's own structure. Luke derides Rey for having this idea of him as a hero but then Rian ends the movie with Luke giving hope to kids? It makes my head spin.

Hearing RJ talk just gets the blood boiling. Every time he talks he's basically describing script writing as a math equation that he's trying to work out.

Oh wait, last thing, that throne room looked like ****. I did my best to be nice but ********.
Whatever look they were going for, it ends up looking like a green screened soundstage but with red instead of green. It's awful.
 
I watched a few of the deleted scenes and yes, they do indeed make the film worse than it already is. Just when you thought it couldn't possibly get any worse.

To think that this guy is going to do a trilogy of Star Wars films. A TRILOGY.

At this point I'm even considering skipping Solo and Ep. 9 altogether.
 

This would be fine if he stopped there, but this is not the real reason Luke stayed behind. The real reason was because he felt a darkness growing in Ben and his "pure instinct," instead of trying to talk to him about it first as the Luke i know from the OT would have, was to murder him in his sleep. The guilt and the shame is what kept him there, not purely the faults of the old Jedi order.
 
It's enough to give you a brain anuerysm.

Has he even seen Star Wars before?

In his feeble attempt to make Luke nuanced and richer as a character all he has done is turn him into a coward. Having Luke project himself with the Force only further solidifies his cowardice by not bothering to show up in person to face his mistakes and dying alone on that island for no reason whatsoever when a REAL hero would have gotten his sorry ass up and stepped up to the plate.
 
It’s not just that understanding Star Wars, the thing that baffles me is that ultimately the movie says in the end that “Luke was wrong”. I honestly do not understand why there’s so much effort trying to explain his train of thought and justify his decision when it was not the right decision. I thought the point of the movie was to get to the point where Luke realizes he was wrong to think he can’t help and he just needs to stay out. That’s what Rey is there for that‘s what Yoda is there for, Leia in the end...and then all supplemental material is to explain a very wrong character decision, whereas it is obvious that it’s a wrong decision from the start.
“The only thing necessary for evil to prevail is that good men do nothing”. This is common sense to everyone really.
 
So I haven't watched any of the deleted scenes... because I won't.

On the throne room battle, I really liked it when I went to the opening night screening. I liked that whole scene. I still really enjoy the dialogue and performance after the fight between Kylo and Rey. It feels like the single moment of subtlety in a movie filled with over-the-top characters and jokes. However, the actual fight stuck with me a bit after the first screening, so when I saw the movie for the second time I paid more attention... and that ruined it for me. One of my main gripes with the prequels was the style-over-substance aesthetics- mainly in the action sequences. The whole of TLJ feels a lot like that. The choreography in the throne room fight is the key offender for me. It sticks out like a sore thumb at the beginning of it when a Red Guard dude walks up and stabs blindly at Kylo, not reaching within 3 feet of him. The over-use of the color red was another stylistic choice that sticks out like crazy.

I can handle poor choreography to an extent, but once it reaches a certain level of "Wow, that guy is just standing around waiting for his turn" I'm immediately thrust out of the movie.
 
I can handle poor choreography to an extent, but once it reaches a certain level of "Wow, that guy is just standing around waiting for his turn" I'm immediately thrust out of the movie.
I would love for someone to do a top-down stick figure recreation of the fight sequence. I'm looking over it now, in the initial wave 5 come at Rey and 3 at Kylo... and they can't connect once? After the initial attack they just start spinning away to reset. Snoke is Dead, their purpose in life is over, they should be fighting for their lives with a berserker rage.

Honestly I'm just happy I can discuss it here with you all because it's weird being around people that think this is the best SW has ever been.
 
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