Look at his face in the video in the post above, it’s like permanent shock! It must be injections as his mouth does not even close.
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Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release)
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Look at his face in the video in the post above, it’s like permanent shock! It must be injections as his mouth does not even close.
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darth_myeek
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mattycsi
Master Member
I don't know if it has been the same in the States, but it has opened on a lot fewer screens here in the UK and with fewer screenings per day over the opening weekend. That's going to hit its take in comparison to TFA.
For these last 3 movies, the opening night has been on a run of late shifts for my and the cinema is literally behind the station, so its easy for the midnight show. With other stuff getting in the way I was late booking my ticket and due to the lesser screenings I really struggled to get there and even if I wanted to I wouldn't be able to go again until new year. With TFA, I was in 3 times in the first 4 days.
I think it will make the money, I just think it will be slower burner.
Father
Sr Member
I think including the OT people was an anchor for the adults. I agree, they could have had casual mention of the characters from the OT without ever actually including them and it would have been almost as effective. The OT cast performances have felt pretty phones in anyway.
In the same vain, as bad as Lucas was at directing his actors in the prequels, I think Disney has 100% control over these movies because it's such a huge cash cow. Go into these movies knowing how Disney works and you will know that there's no way any of the main cast (Rey, Finn, Poe) will die. I guess, if I was being honest with myself, that same thought process worked with the OT.
Ummm, no. Because IMO the points that were adressed as problematic in ESB are simply put out of context. E.g. The Clone Wars took place in the past and were no significant part in that movie. As was the comment about General Dodonna. Did he play an important role? Was he really introduced?
And this comment
did not annoy anyone in 1980, because it was something new and fresh. Apart from us always knowing that Darth Vader was NOT the greatest villain but part of a command chain, below Grand Moff Tarkin.
I can see the motivation for that small article. But IMO the author does something that children love to do, take something out of context and try to mirror it onto their parents (and five year olds are already great at that, I can assure you).
Sorry, but I cannot take such a comment for serious.
ANH, ESB and ROTJ have been analyzed to a great extent regarding story telling and structure. If you take core elements of those analyses and try to apply it to TLJ, you will see that it totally falls apart.
Even simple questions to test a movie´s writing quality will show this. E.g. every scene in a movie should advance the plot, does that happen in E8? I think not. THere is so much filler in there. Chewie for example is nothing more than a comic relief, he can be completely cut from the movie I would say. And so is R2 and a lot of the other characters, including Finn, who was announced as a major character in the new trilogy, and atm I think that the role he played in E7 is deconstructed by E8.
DarthLee
Sr Member
And to add to DfN,
I believe even though we didnt know the whole story of the characters in the OT. (or even if we didnt like the motion pictures) Something about them, we instantly fell in love, cared and wanted more from them,
I own TFA...and have given it multiple chances, yet Rey.. Kilo.. Finn.. Poe.. and now "others"...Im finding very difficult to 1)relate to and 2)love or even like enough to care about.
Regardless whether I liked the actual movie or not.
I think my problem is the characters/actors... no offence..cause I know they are busting their tail on this..
I believe even though we didnt know the whole story of the characters in the OT. (or even if we didnt like the motion pictures) Something about them, we instantly fell in love, cared and wanted more from them,
I own TFA...and have given it multiple chances, yet Rey.. Kilo.. Finn.. Poe.. and now "others"...Im finding very difficult to 1)relate to and 2)love or even like enough to care about.
Regardless whether I liked the actual movie or not.
I think my problem is the characters/actors... no offence..cause I know they are busting their tail on this..
Greenie
Sr Member
Well, obviously Yoda.
cayman shen
Master Member
I'm about halfway through the "Art of" book and there are a lot of insights into the thought process behind this movie that make me like and respect it even more. Worth a read.
Reporting on review bombing at RT...
http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/12...t-jedi-and-its-rotten-tomatoes-audience-score
http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/12...t-jedi-and-its-rotten-tomatoes-audience-score
The usual suspects just cannot accept negative reviews :lol
It seems like any time a new Star Wars picture doesn’t live up to the hype, there are a few people here who flip out. :lol
It seems like any time a new Star Wars picture doesn’t live up to the hype, there are a few people here who flip out. :lol
Snikt
Sr Member
Also because its inferior to TFA. This movie should have made MORE because of how well TFA was made/received. TFA laid the groundwork for some awesome areas to be explored and Rian killed them. Literally.
AnubisGuard
Master Member
lol no.
TFA was moronic fanwank. TLJ, for all it's flaws, is an actual movie with real character arcs and themes.
annanake
Sr Member
Can't believe I'm saying this but Incompletely agree with Hitler on this one . that was the best review of TLJ I have heard !
Luke being the push that sends Kylo over the edge while I don't think if ruins the character it is a slap in the face to Luke fans .
Myself I was not surprised the whole family is moody and entitled AF . Luke was the most normal as he grew up a farmer , but he was a whiny farmer lol
My only real problems are
Knights of Ren are they the students he left with? are they something else ? Where are they ? Are they even real or is it Kylos's Tyler Durden ???
Who is snoke, and more importantly how the hell did he seduce Kylo? email ? Chain letter ? The ol' Free helmet with every Jedi temple burning offer ?
Less so how did Maz get the saber ?
the explanations we DO get are just sad if nothing else .
Luke is in hiding because he basically doesn't want Leigh to find out Kylo turning was ultimately his fault !!!
Rey is super Sayian strong because the force makes someone to rival the dark and we just did not have time for all that pesky training !
I wish the kid with the broom at the end would have been surprised he called the broom to his hand at least , like he heard the story (how did they hear the story at all ?)and just tried it and was like whooh !
But Rian could totally pull a Maximus
" ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED ?"
The answer is yes ! Ultimately
Someone stated it was like a live action cartoon that is what I got as well you have to suspend more belief than usual for this one !
There were parts of it that I really enjoyed. The Rey/Luke/Ren things were interesting and played out very well. The Leia Mary Poppins space flight was dumb and I could have done without the whole casino plot - made no sense and turned out to be for naught anyway. Understand that the rebel ships were lighter and faster that the bigger ships, but that whole part of the plot didn’t makeich sense either. The First Order would have had a ton of TIE and other fighter - just send those to keep pummeling the Resistance until there was nothing left. Was satisfied with the Luke ending - was pretty awesome. Think they could have accomplished a much better movie at around 2 hours with the Resistance escaping to Crait right away and the FO tracking them there. Leave the Rey/Ren/Snoke stuff the same and end it the same way. Understand that they wanted to give Finn and Poe something to do, but their stories didn’t add much to the overall story arc.
cboath
Master Member
Plus at 2.5 hrs of run time, they're likely getting one less screening per day.
I also don't think this will approach TFA's 2 billion. There's not going to be enough repeat viewings IMO for it to climb that high.
doctorDWwho
Sr Member
Agreed, there was a ton of stuff I disliked, some I hated, and I fooled myself into believing it would be an original story- but it was enjoyable. Most characters progression was good. Cool moments throughout. No need for mindless hate, or "Disney ruined my childhood".
But on the flipside it can be criticized. Unfortunately most people don't really think analytically. Most people simply say "Ohmygosh it was amazing!!!!!! It's definitely the best star wars movie!!!!!!" (exactly what they said about TFA as well), without having any sort of thought process as to why they think it's the best. And then if you criticise it you're called a hater. Even if you say you enjoyed it. It's ridiculous. And unfortunately that's what this thread has degraded to. Smug yes men (okay, not just the men, but the women and the children too) with their " :lol " emojis and telling the people actually discussing the movie and it's pros and cons to "chill" or to get out, and that - simply because they are critical and unfortunately the most common way to discuss things like this is over the internet - that their opinions are invalid, and that they are, and I quote, "cyber bullying".
Snikt
Sr Member
Character arcs and themes? For the most part I saw lazy writing and ridiculous cringe-worthy scenes. And arent we all fans of Star Wars? I dont get the "fanwank". Wouldnt you want that? This movie wasnt new or fresh or original. As other people pointed out, it had ESB notes, and groan inducing sequences. Nothing was explored, and no questions were answered, and honestly, is probably going to make the rest of the trilogy be sub par because of it.
jlee562
Sr Member
I don't know what post(s) you're thinking of that only offered unbridled enthusiasm for TLJ. Most folks who liked the film have also offered criticism.
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