Kathleen Kennedy to step down from Lucasfilm (after 2021)?

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Sluis Van Shipyards said:
Maybe the reason could be that Lucasfilm, its employees, and a large part of the scifi media sites are calling ALL SW fans who didn't like TLJ racist and misogynist?
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Yeah thats not true and has been demonstrated as false multiple times, by many people on many platforms. The behavior of those who were acting in those ways were called out as such. If someone didnt like the film and was not displaying said behavior, then it didnt apply to them. Simple as that. If you do feel any of that was directed towards you, then maybe there was a reason for it.
 
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Sluis Van Shipyards said:
Maybe the reason could be that Lucasfilm, its employees, and a large part of the scifi media sites are calling ALL SW fans who didn't like TLJ racist and misogynist?

Oh and I don't buy any of Mark Hamill's back pedaling one bit. He plainly said it was not Luke Skywalker, but Jake Skywalker. You can't confuse that.
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I think the Ghostbusters fans got it worse. Most of the TLJ pieces I have seen at least buried 'an element of fans' disclaimers in inviso text somewhere in the coverage. If you didn't like New Ghostbusters you were unquestionably a misogynist or, at best, a man baby. Eighteen months on it's generally accepted as a giant turdburger by almost everyone.

It will be interesting to see if TLJ suffers a similar fate. I imagine its partisan divisions will probably become even more entrenched. The think-pieces before the release of Episode 9 are going to be something to behold.
 
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Birdie said:
If all the Star Wars fans who hated TLJ know exactly why they hated it, why do they need all these Youtube channels telling them why they should hate it?
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Um... They don't. Do YOU need someone else to give you YOUR opinion?
Just because something exists, doesn't mean it's needed, or even wanted.
 
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JoeG said:
Yeah thats not true and has been demonstrated as false multiple times, by many people on many platforms. The behavior of those who were acting in those ways were called out as such. If someone didnt like the film and was not displaying said behavior, then it didnt apply to them. Simple as that. If you do feel any of that was directed towards you, then maybe there was a reason for it.
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Funny cause I can't seem to talk about how TLJ has a bad story and Holdo's use in the film was a terrible without someone going on a political tangent screeching about how horrible of a person I am.
 
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tubachris85x said:
Funny cause I can't seem to talk about how TLJ has a bad story and Holdo's use in the film was a terrible without someone going on a political tangent screeching about how horrible of a person I am.
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I for one didn't think the story was bad. Nothing to write home about. TLJ definitely suffers from the same problem that the Prequels did. One guy writing everything. And he had to do it with a time crunch.

How was Holdo's used terribly? To me she was created with the express purpose of butting heads with Poe. Everthing from her personality, her hair, to her clothing.
 
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Joek3rr said:
I for one didn't think the story was bad. Nothing to write home about. TLJ definitely suffers from the same problem that the Prequels did. One guy writing everything. And he had to do it with a time crunch.

How was Holdo's used terribly? To me she was created with the express purpose of butting heads with Poe. Everthing from her personality, her hair, to her clothing.
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IMO TLJ's story wasn't entirely coherent or logical in some ways. As for Holdo, the first time seeing the movie, I felt she was going to end up being some form of First Order sympathizer/penetration by the FO inside the resistance- That's how it was set up, even literally having Poe stage a mutiny. But nope. She was just a **** poor leader who failed to communicate to her surviving subordinates. INB4 "but she's a high ranking officer, she doesn't have to tell anyone anything," That's a cop out for people since they don't even realize, let alone comprehend that Poe is not only the freaking poster child of the resistance, but he's literally the commander of their remaining, fledgling fighter wing- which in Star Wars is what? One of the most important combat capabilities that the resistance has. Figure Holdo treats Poe like crap, he's got subordinates under his own command that, for all intents and purposes, are and feel that they are all just about to be killed, and look to their leadership for not just support but "how" they just might survive it all. The portrayal of Poe's actions towards Holdo by staging a mutiny is exactly what should be expected in such an extremely dire situation. So Holdo's character use IMO was nothing but forcing drama into the plot. There was no point to it, and it should have gone differently.

Then of course the Adventures of Finn and Rose: How helping animals and berating wealthy casino attendees leads to the deaths of most of the Resistance.
 
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tubachris85x said:
Funny cause I can't seem to talk about how TLJ has a bad story and Holdo's use in the film was a terrible without someone going on a political tangent screeching about how horrible of a person I am.
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Would you feel better if I just called you a horrible person in general? :) (kidding - spelled out to be safe : ) )

I'll back you on Holdo though. Don't see the need for the character when others could have been used in it's place. I have some story issues, but not as many as most.
 
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tubachris85x said:
IMO TLJ's story wasn't entirely coherent or logical in some ways. As for Holdo, the first time seeing the movie, I felt she was going to end up being some form of First Order sympathizer/penetration by the FO inside the resistance- That's how it was set up, even literally having Poe stage a mutiny. But nope. She was just a **** poor leader who failed to communicate to her surviving subordinates. INB4 "but she's a high ranking officer, she doesn't have to tell anyone anything," That's a cop out for people since they don't even realize, let alone comprehend that Poe is not only the freaking poster child of the resistance, but he's literally the commander of their remaining, fledgling fighter wing- which in Star Wars is what? One of the most important combat capabilities that the resistance has. Figure Holdo treats Poe like crap, he's got subordinates under his own command that, for all intents and purposes, are and feel that they are all just about to be killed, and look to their leadership for not just support but "how" they just might survive it all. The portrayal of Poe's actions towards Holdo by staging a mutiny is exactly what should be expected in such an extremely dire situation. So Holdo's character use IMO was nothing but forcing drama into the plot. There was no point to it, and it should have gone differently.

Then of course the Adventures of Finn and Rose: How helping animals and berating wealthy casino attendees leads to the deaths of most of the Resistance.
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Yeah the Poe, Holdo stuff was added for the sake of drama. Rian cites the reboot Battlestar Galactica as inspiration.

I don't have a problem with Holdo not telling Poe her plans. From the start Poe's attitude is not very good. Disobeying Leia's orders and all. Being demoted was pretty light punishment. Poe is not playing the part of a responsible officer that deserves respect. As I like to say, those who desire respect must first give respect.
 
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cboath said:
Would you feel better if I just called you a horrible person in general? :) (kidding - spelled out to be safe : ) )

I'll back you on Holdo though. Don't see the need for the character when others could have been used in it's place. I have some story issues, but not as many as most.
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Oh, I'm a horrible person. I just think those people who decide to spin legitimate issues about something into something that it is not and never was about in an effort to "quell" your right to opinions is dumb, and those people are dumb, and they should feel as dumb as they are. So, as mentioned earlier, how the studio responded to criticism of Ghostbusters 2016 as being "bigots" or "misogynists" or whatever "-ism" they could invent, that's not far off from what I've personally witnessed, experienced and heard from others in regards to talking about TLJ.

So again, I'd rather be a horrible person with legitimate complaints and concerns about something than to be someone who's dumb and incapable of a coherent thought, who requires both the unnecessary and derogatory labeling of someone who simply disagrees with their opinions in order for their neurons to fire a strong enough signal to maintain consciousness and not forgot to tell their body to not stop breathing.
 
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tubachris85x said:
So, as mentioned earlier, how the studio responded to criticism of Ghostbusters 2016 as being "bigots" or "misogynists" or whatever "-ism" they could invent, that's not far off from what I've personally witnessed, experienced and heard from others in regards to talking about TLJ. .
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I keep saying this, but the LOUDEST voices are generally the most negative. And the loudest voices are the ones responded to. I didn't like Ghostbusters because it wasn't funny enough.

But there WAS a contingent of misogynists controlling the narrative on social media. The response was aimed at them because they were the loudest voice. Not once did I think I was being targeted by the blanket response even though I didn't like the film. One, because I know I'm not a misogynist, and two, I'm not so self absorbed that I think a studio owqes me a direct response.
 
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SethS said:
I keep saying this, but the LOUDEST voices are generally the most negative. And the loudest voices are the ones responded to. I didn't like Ghostbusters because it wasn't funny enough.

But there WAS a contingent of misogynists controlling the narrative on social media. The response was aimed at them because they were the loudest voice. Not once did I think I was being targeted by the blanket response even though I didn't like the film. One, because I know I'm not a misogynist, and two, I'm not so self absorbed that I think a studio owqes me a direct response.
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I don't know what social media platforms you're on usually, but I don't recall personally reading or witnessing this "contingent of misogynists controlling the narrative" in regards to the Ghostbusters film. All I was seeing and receiving back (personally in some cases) was about how those who didn't like the movie or complained were the misogynists and bigots.

I'm not going to deny that there weren't genuine, honest to god misogynists being vocal, that's a given. The problem is that I don't believe they were quite as "loud" as folks were portraying them to be. Rather, the loudest "controlling the narrative" certainly was the opposite- it was the studio with support of the media that kept perpetuating the "you're a misogynist bigot if you don't like it" routine.

That was the clearest and most memorable aspect of the entire Ghostbusters 2016 PR campaign.

But don't take my word for it
 
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tubachris85x said:
I don't know what social media platforms you're on usually, but I don't recall personally reading or witnessing this "contingent of misogynists controlling the narrative" in regards to the Ghostbusters film. All I was seeing and receiving back (personally in some cases) was about how those who didn't like the movie or complained were the misogynists and bigots.

I'm not going to deny that there weren't genuine, honest to god misogynists being vocal, that's a given. The problem is that I don't believe they were quite as "loud" as folks were portraying them to be. Rather, the loudest "controlling the narrative" certainly was the opposite- it was the studio with support of the media that kept perpetuating the "you're a misogynist bigot if you don't like it" routine.

That was the clearest and most memorable aspect of the entire Ghostbusters 2016 PR campaign.

But don't take my word for it
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Ocean's 8 (while not quite as severe) is experiencing something very similar. And on the point of "loud" voices mainstream media outlets I won't name them because it would be considered "political" have done pieces that label Star Wars fans as these very names. They don't say some they just say Star Wars fans. Why? Because it causes controversy and sells airtime/paper. Thus it adds to this narrative, that if you don't like X, Y, Z about TLJ, you get called those horrible names. The vicious cycle continues.
 
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Joek3rr said:
From the start Poe's attitude is not very good. Disobeying Leia's orders and all. Being demoted was pretty light punishment. Poe is not playing the part of a responsible officer that deserves respect. As I like to say, those who desire respect must first give respect.
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That's another thing I didn't understand. When I rewatched TFA after TLJ I just didn't understand why Poe had to be made a secret *sshole. Yea he's kind of a cool macho type, but he's focused on his mission and when ***** hits the fan and they crash with the TIE fighter he doesn't do something stupid or heroic, the first thing he does is he reports back to the Resistance.
 
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sztriki said:
That's another thing I didn't understand. When I rewatched TFA after TLJ I just didn't understand why Poe had to be made a secret *sshole. Yea he's kind of a cool macho type, but he's focused on his mission and when ***** hits the fan and they crash with the TIE fighter he doesn't do something stupid or heroic, the first thing he does is he reports back to the Resistance.
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Maybe blowing up Starkiller Base went to his head?
 
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Edit: On a side note... did anyone see this recent picture of Andi Gutierrez? Does anyone else spy what I spy?
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Because what I see is mighty curious.

This is why Kathleen. #thisiswhy

I'm fond of this poster.
a different infinity war KK and crew.jpg

Out of all of them, this one is my absolute favorite. Because it's 100% accurate.
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tubachris85x said:
I don't know what social media platforms you're on usually, but I don't recall personally reading or witnessing this "contingent of misogynists controlling the narrative" in regards to the Ghostbusters film. All I was seeing and receiving back (personally in some cases) was about how those who didn't like the movie or complained were the misogynists and bigots.

I'm not going to deny that there weren't genuine, honest to god misogynists being vocal, that's a given. The problem is that I don't believe they were quite as "loud" as folks were portraying them to be. Rather, the loudest "controlling the narrative" certainly was the opposite- it was the studio with support of the media that kept perpetuating the "you're a misogynist bigot if you don't like it" routine.

That was the clearest and most memorable aspect of the entire Ghostbusters 2016 PR campaign.

But don't take my word for it
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This is exactly whats happening with this Disney ST as well and why people are being LOUD about it as they feel its a despicable tactic. Its always tempered by proponents that if your not a misogynist or bigot then its not targeted at you so stop being so LOUD and let us get on with making excuses for producing garbage movies. If tactics like that are not challenged and challenged loudly then they will become to go to standard for everything that is garbage pushed on the world.
 
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