Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release)

I saw it as Luke was sooo weakened by projecting himself that it kills him.


Ben

I didn't sit through the credits til the end.....did I miss anything???

I thought it was a nice touch that the LAST thing Luke did was keep the projection of Han’s dice there long enough for Kylo to find them after everyone was gone. Still trying until the last second to redeem him.

Also, suddenly Ach-to suddenly has 2 Suns?

Again they fail to explain the Lightsaber. Who retrieved it from Bespin? Why did Ben have it? How did he lose it? Why did Maz have it?
I hoped Luke would at least ask 'where did you get that?' But instead he tosses it for a cheap laugh.

The line in the trailer/movie 'this is not going to go the way you think' was obviously aimed at the audience but I missed the 'let the past die' line telling me to kiss Star Wars goodbye. I really hoped disney/LFL were in it for the love of Star Wars not just the love of money.
I was wrong. :cry

They need to move this story beyond the limitations of the Skywalker story, and TLJ does it, showing us ANY random person can be special. Perhaps that's a feeble, contemporary "everyone gets a prize" kind of mentality, but the OT actors are aging or gone, and the opportunity to show Luke training new Jedi is long gone. If the movies are gonna show new Jedi rising up, this is a good way to do it, I feel.

cayman shen said:

They need to move this story beyond the limitations of the Skywalker story, and TLJ does it, showing us ANY random person can be special. Perhaps that's a feeble, contemporary "everyone gets a prize" kind of mentality, but the OT actors are aging or gone, and the opportunity to show Luke training new Jedi is long gone. If the movies are gonna show new Jedi rising up, this is a good way to do it, I feel.

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I think there'll be an in-universe time jump of a few years for IX, allowing both Rey and Kylo to grow into their respective roles, allow for an off-screen death of Leia, as well as the new Rebellion (or is it still Resistance?) to growafter its near extinction. Maybe JJ will shortly adress the origin of Snoke, Luke can pop up one last time as a ghost with a few words of wisdom and then we have a completely clean slate for new stories.
I think it works out well, in the grand scheme of things...


EDIT: One thing to note (especially for THIS community) is the fact that Rey will have to construct (or otherwise come up with) her own lightsaber, as the G R A F L E X gets destroyed.
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cayman shen said:

They need to move this story beyond the limitations of the Skywalker story, and TLJ does it, showing us ANY random person can be special. Perhaps that's a feeble, contemporary "everyone gets a prize" kind of mentality, but the OT actors are aging or gone, and the opportunity to show Luke training new Jedi is long gone. If the movies are gonna show new Jedi rising up, this is a good way to do it, I feel.

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That's fine, I'm 100% ok with that. But have them go in a way that befits their heroics and legend. Luke's death was pathetic and we never got to see the full Jedi master in action.

But when they start killing their big new powerful villains with simple jedi mind tricks that they should see/sense coming a mile off it undermines that new saga. Who was snoke? How did it he get to Ben too much in his early years, while Ben was training with Luke. Luke being the Jedi that Snoke built a first order to get hold of and kill. This drum thumping motif of out with the old and with the new falls flat because Snoke is part of the new. It makes all the characters past and present less valuable and worthwhile if they are all just weak randoms that can be offed with little effort or thought to the story.

cayman shen said:

They need to move this story beyond the limitations of the Skywalker story, and TLJ does it, showing us ANY random person can be special. Perhaps that's a feeble, contemporary "everyone gets a prize" kind of mentality, but the OT actors are aging or gone, and the opportunity to show Luke training new Jedi is long gone. If the movies are gonna show new Jedi rising up, this is a good way to do it, I feel.

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For me in 1977 the Force was something available to everyone but only those who made the effort to train were able to wield it or someone simply born in tune with it. To me, that’s the way it should be.

I'm still in need of sleeping on this to let it all sink in, but here's a few random thoughts of mine right now....

They could have called the casino something else Star Warsy, like an Khu'ban, or I don't know... just not how we call them on Earth. My name idea is bad, but it's something other than the term 'casino'.

No back story to Snoke in this?

Where the heck are the Knights of Ren?!! I was expecting Kylo to be leading his elite group during some of this film.

Something doesn't align to the flashbacks. I thought Kylo came to slaughter the new order trainees and Luke along with the temple. Looks to have been a different scenario, so are Rey's visions just visions, or something that is yet to pass under her leadership? Maybe it's something to come....

Yoda was great, but maybe just lit too weird? It was off somehow, I'm just having a tough time with where. The neck perhaps.... it was better than the prequel shape and features, but off from the intended Freeborn design.

As a Kylo costumer, I sorely miss the helmet and TFA costume. Perhaps TLJ serves as a transition and we'll see him back in another form now that he is the new supreme leader of the First Order.

I should be applauding just how much more different this movie is and that they finally explored more of the universe, but maybe I got too much of that in this. I don't know on this. I don't hate it, and I appreciate it... I need this new stuff to sink in more.

It was such a joy to see Luke back, but if I'm imagining what Hamill's reservations were, I have to agree that it's not how I was expecting him to be. Sure... time and events, and loneliness can change a person over time, but I thought Luke was more above all that being a Master.

I have deep appreciation that I was not able to fully predict what would happen next, even when I thought I could in the moment and then it changed. Good job on not making it predictable.

Those are just some initial thoughts. I didn't hate this movie at all, but I don't think it was one of the best of the 8. I don't have a placement in mind yet.

Thanks for reading!

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Here's a thought.

What if Luke was always dead?

He was injured in the temple attack, maybe fatally, he left R2 behind, the. Went to that island to die. We see his x wing in the sea, for all we know that could be his final destination.

We saw Yoda touching Luke and interacting with the world, could Yoda touch Luke because they were both ghosts?

At times Yoda had no blue glow, so perhaps its possible for a force ghost to appear solid.

Finally when he projects himself to Liea and Ben he appears the same age he was when he attacked Ben.

We see him fade away at the end, but with so many flashbacks in the film, who knows when that really happened.

If he died years ago, broom boy could well be a reincarnated Luke.

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God I never wanted to walk out of a SW movie before this. What Rian Johnson did was just a complete insult. To Luke, To Leia, To Yoda, etc. Why can't they get Yoda's face right after all this time? I thought he looked ridiculous. Where was the sendoff for Leia? That was not Luke Skywalker. The jokes were out of place and ridiculous. Was this a comedy? Leia flying in space using the force made me hate the rest of the movie from that point. I could not wait for it to end. I was completely let down with this. Was this supposed to be Star Wars? And apparently anyone is given Luke's theme music now. God it was aweful. I have no desire to see it a second time. TFA was a Star Wars movie, this was the furthest thing from.
Oh and the stupid speech impediment by Benicio's character. WTF was that? Ughhh, I can go on and on but just too pissed off to keep typing.

kalkamel said:

Just came out of the theater. First thought: what the **** did I just watch??

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Same reaction here. Pretty disappointed, but feel like I have to watch it again just to form an opinion.

Jaitea said:

Joseph Gordon-Levitt voiced Slowen Lo, can't find who that was

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Yeah the alien who called the cops had a heavy Texas accent, so heavy it was really fake. It stuck out so much I knew something was hidden behind it

Almost like a heavy Texas accent from Chris Pratt

I have a serious question regarding Episode IX: Leia survives Ep XIII but Carrie is no longer. So how will this be handled? Have they already shot all Leia scenes for the next episode before she passed away or will we experience a time jump of 20 years or so, explaining that she has died in the SW universe, too?

The theory that Luke what a ghost the whole time seems weird when he’s in a routine of fishing and surviving the entire time Rey is there.

Jaitea said:

Joseph Gordon-Levitt voiced Slowen Lo, can't find who that was

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I had to google who that was, I am willing to bet that’s him!!! I’m going back tonight I’ll double check

The use of classic themes in the score was a lot heavier this time around, and to great effect for the most part. It provided an instant emotional connection to this film that I didn't really get in TFA.
When the classic music is playing and the Falcon is flying through the mines on Crait I damn near lost it.
I gave up on the notion of getting a rousing adventure with the heroes of my youth after TFA, but they've been given interesting send offs and the new characters are really starting to shine.
I'm going to have to view it a couple more times before I get a really coherent set of responses, but this flick made me 8 again and for that I love it.

Jaitea said:

Joseph Gordon-Levitt voiced Slowen Lo, can't find who that was

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How about we stop all the damn Beastie Boys references in any damn film JJ is associated with.

Paul Andrew said:

The use of classic themes in the score was a lot heavier this time around, and to great effect for the most part. It provided an instant emotional connection to this film that I didn't really get in TFA.
When the classic music is playing and the Falcon is flying through the mines on Crait I damn near lost it.
I gave up on the notion of getting a rousing adventure with the heroes of my youth after TFA, but they've been given interesting send offs and the new characters are really starting to shine.
I'm going to have to view it a couple more times before I get a really coherent set of responses, but this flick made me 8 again and for that I love it.

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Yup. Bought the score today. Much better than TFA. Some callbacks are Leia and Yoda's themes, TIE fighter Attack, Asteroid Field. Great stuff. I also dig the Casino music. Reminiscent of Figrin D'ann.

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So the main plot for Finn in this movie ends with mission failure, a short fight, and a suicide attempt. It really felt like he got the short straw in this episode.