Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release)

What did you think of Star Wars: The Last Jedi?

  • It was great. Loved it. Don't miss it at the theaters.

    Votes: 154 26.6%
  • It was good. Liked it very much. Worth the theater visit.

    Votes: 135 23.4%
  • It was okay. Not too pleased with it. Could watch it at the cinema once or wait for home video.

    Votes: 117 20.2%
  • It was disappointing. Watch it on home video instead.

    Votes: 70 12.1%
  • It was bad. Don't waste your time with it.

    Votes: 102 17.6%

  • Total voters
    578
I've been second guessing the movie since I first saw in Thursday evening. I left the theater wide eyed and trying to absorb what I had just seen and put some meaning and sense behind it.

Walking out of the theater the second time this afternoon - I was much more sure and secure in my thoughts. The Last Jedi was just so much a better movie for me on the second watch. My original analogy that Rian hit a double and was looking to steal third is now that this movie is a solid triple.

It's still too long of a movie - there's a lull in the middle of the film that should have been fixed. But, the little things didn't bug me as much as they did the first time around. Everything seemed to come together so much better.

This is what I am hoping to feel when I go see it again very soon. Thanks for that!
 
While I can understand why holo-Luke appears young in the fight with Kylo, I can NOT understand why he is holding the ESB blue saber. Even in the flashback scenes, he had his ROTJ saber. Plus, since we had just seen the "real" ESB saber destroyed with Kylo/Rey.

They went out of their way to build hints that Luke wasn’t actually present, so I put this down to another example of a hint that he wasn’t physically present. However in universe theory, I wonder if it’s related to his last contact with Ben being when he ignited the ROTJ saber and considered killing him. Perhaps approaching Kylo with another saber than that one might be beneficial if case any constructive conversation was possible.
 
While I can understand why holo-Luke appears young in the fight with Kylo, I can NOT understand why he is holding the ESB blue saber. Even in the flashback scenes, he had his ROTJ saber. Plus, since we had just seen the "real" ESB saber destroyed with Kylo/Rey.
I was a bit confused by that too, but I think it was meant to be more symbolic.
The movie starts with Rey holding the lightsaber out to Luke, wanting him to come out of exile and help fight the First Order.
Before Rey leaves, she holds it out to him again, giving the same plea with the same motion.
By appearing in the end, he's metaphorically taken the lightsaber offered by Rey, and returned to the fight (in spirit)— and to convey this the movie has him holding that same lightsaber.

P.S. does the "chosen one" in the ancient Jedi prophecy change?
In the PT, it was Anakin.
In Star Wars: rebels, old Obi-Wan confirms to the dying Darth Maul that Luke is the chosen one.
Now, is Rey the "new" chosen one?
It's my understanding that Anakin was always the chosen one, and Obi-Wan and Yoda just assumed it was Luke after little orphan Ani fell to the dark side. The prophecy was that the chosen one would destroy the Sith, which Anakin eventually did after he booted Palpatine off a ledge.
So with the prophecy over, there is no longer a chosen one, and Rey is just weirdly overpowered (darkness rises, and light to meet it— I guess?)
 
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So with the prophecy over, there is no longer a chosen one, and Rey is just weirdly overpowered (darkness rises, and light to meet it— I guess?)

I think of the balance statements - they both had conflict in them - Ben over whether or not he was committed to the dark side, and Rey questioning herself and her place - "you went straight to the dark" and the mirror scene, etc. - By the end both are hardened in their decisions, Kylo to the dark, Rey to the light. If we're thinking that TLJ mirrors elements of ESB and ROTJ, both of those movies had moments that tested Luke's resolve and control; here we got to see characters choose opposite sides.
 
I think of the balance statements - they both had conflict in them - Ben over whether or not he was committed to the dark side, and Rey questioning herself and her place - "you went straight to the dark" and the mirror scene, etc. - By the end both are hardened in their decisions, Kylo to the dark, Rey to the light. If we're thinking that TLJ mirrors elements of ESB and ROTJ, both of those movies had moments that tested Luke's resolve and control; here we got to see characters choose opposite sides.
I was more questioning why Rey was so powerful than I was her alignment.
I'm conflicted— I liked the revelation that Rey's parents were nobodies (since it means anyone can be strong in the force, not just one family) but at the same time it's weirdly disappointing, since I wanted a better explanation for her sort of seeming more powerful then Kylo in the force (more showcased in Force Awakens then here) even though he's the grandson of Force-*****.
I think their explanation was just that the force chose her to be that powerful to oppose Kylo Ren (powerful light, powerful dark), but the last time the force "chose" someone it created Anakin through immaculate conception, so I find the light-dark explanation to be a bit unsatisfactory— but this is all really just a nitpick.
 
I want to apologize for my previous post. I didnt mean "real fans" I meant the ones who were kinda around at the very beginning. So the older fans would be a bit more correct. Or the more "educated" fans about the characters. More invested. I hope that makes sense.

Again, 48 years old, watched it in 77, stop trying to pass of your own personal opinion as the collective opinion of real/original fans.

Its your opinion, even if you share it with other people, its not everyone's.

Educated? What like read all the books, or went to university?

Because tick, and tick.

Invested?

These characters have been my heroes for 40 years, people change, even heroes.

In life and in star wars, good people make bad choices, and sometimes bad people make good choices.
 
I'm loyal to Lucas' vision

Which one? It changed at least a dozen times over the years, and he "always intended" each new iteration. From original ideas back in high school and college all the way up through his treatments for conjectural post-ROTJ episodes. I could almost go so far as to say the one constant is change from what you knew before. ;)
 
Did anyone see where the escape pod came out of the falcon?

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I figured the reason he had the blue saber in the end was it was fresh in his mind from seeing it with Rey and he had not touched his old one in years .
...if he even still had the green one. Seeing how he discarded the blue one makes you wonder if he had kept the green one at all.

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I'm sure we'll be getting a novel or comic series about the dice sometime down the road...

This . I get some want to see the film more than once because a) there’s so much information to absorb , b) they really enjoyed the experience and want it repeated , c) any and every other reason that’s relevant .... but why can’t films ask and resolve plot points in just a single setting anymore - why can’t they be self contained stories ? This one should have been , seeing’s how it pretty much ignored what went before .
 
Count me in as one who thinks the movie is a hot mess. I walked out feeling it was a complete waste of time and money. This is the first Star Wars movie I've seen (I'm 51) where I left regretting I paid money to see it. Was planning to take my wife to a second viewing sometime this weekend, but I've completely lost interest. I had my problems with TFA, but I was willing to see where the story would take us. I was actually excited to see if TLJ would justify some of the setup from TFA. Rey's parents? Who is Snoke? How did Anakin's saber re-appear? Why did Luke seek out the first Jedi temple? I feel like the film either didn't answer those questions or answered them in the worst ways possible. That combined with Superman Leia, the casino planet non-subplot, the ridiculous 5 mph in space "chase", the weird mutiny subplot, the fan service Yoda cameo... To me, TFA and TLJ are just really expensive fan fiction. I have zero confidence JJ can ride in to fix this mess in Ep IX. I seriously think JJ's solution for a rousing end to the trilogy would be to somehow bring Harrison Ford back. "Fans love Han, right??? We should bring Han back!" And then when someone asks, "Han, how did you survive?! We saw you die!" He's say, "That's a story for another time. Now quick, how are we going to destroy Starkiller Base II???" ******* it.
 
I have zero confidence JJ can ride in to fix this mess in Ep IX.

I'm now thinking that all of the TFA mystery box stuff was actually dropped at JJ's insistence. He's executive producer after all. He made that statement about reading Johnson's script and wishing he was directing, just after it was finished, so he obviously approved it.
 
I see a lot of people mentioning how did Snoke not see what was coming with the lightsaber. Pay attention to every shot in that scene.

Snoke’s eyes are closed, he’s concentrating on Kylos thoughts. What he’s describing about “ turning the lightsaber, ready to destroy your greatest foe” that all applies to the “from a certain point of view” perspective. Everything he was describing and seeing was also happening with Kylos saber toward Rey, and being full of himself, Snoke didn’t see the perception trick going on in Kylos mind.
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You could quote Yoda " Hard to see the dark side is."

I figured the reason he had the blue saber in the end was it was fresh in his mind from seeing it with Rey and he had not touched his old one in years .

It also angers Kylo that luke has it because he has been all "IT MINE!!, BELONGS TO ME" for the last 2 movies. "We" saw that it was in pieces after the fight but kylo was out cold until long after the fight so he did not know it was gone, also he was angry and it clouds his judgment.
 
Luke's use of Anakin's lightsaber also signifies that
Luke really isn't on Crait, because we saw Anakin's lightsaber split in half earlier.
Rian and the producers said in an interview that they left hints as to Luke's status in that scene.
 
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Don't have time to read all 32 pages, so forgive me if I am being redundant:

I really liked the movie a lot. I felt the Canto Bight subplot dragged, and I wish they had made Phasma more of a threat, but overall, it's a very worthy entry into the series.

My biggest problem is with Luke. I understand that as long as he was around, Rey was always going to be “second banana”, so I get the idea of phasing him out.

However, I would have run with Luke’s comments about the Jedi’s vanity and hubris, and gone down a different path, making his belief that “the Jedi must end” more of a calculated triumph. A more benevolent and genuine version of Palpatine’s spiel that to best understand the Force, you must embrace all aspects of it.

Basically, Luke - after years of meditating on his failure, communing with the Force on Ahch-To and waiting for the right person to make themselves known - spurs on Rey (the "right person") to spearhead a new, more balanced order that seeks harmony between the dark and light. That would have been a better way for Luke to go out than a defeated and bitter hermit who comes around at the last minute.
 
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Luke's use of Anakin's lightsaber also signifies that
Luke really isn't on Crait, because we saw Anakin's lightsaber split in half earlier.
Rian and the producers said in an interview that they left hints as to Luke's status in that scene.

That and his beard was missing gray hair.
 
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