@mkstewartesq , exactly !
It was the fact that the Rey character being what ? ... pissed off at Luke for not training her ..., not agreeing to return to aid the ‘ resistance ‘..., not caring enough ..., for attacking Ren unprovoked ( according to Ren’s version of events ) whom she believes over Luke’s !? ...
Out of all this confusion and anger that’s the reason she attacks with his own saber !? . In my eyes , it’s a pathetically played out plot point , and yes it left a sour taste in my mouth .
Ged
Nope. Not at all.It’s like looking in a mirror huh !?
Rey was abducted and psychicly tortured by Kylo. In addition she saw him murder Han and wound Finn deeply. I interpreted that scene to mean that she was mad at Luke because she felt that he was responsible for "creating" Kylo. Ultimately, she was blaming Luke for all the bad things which had happened to her. She yells something that I can't quote exactly now. It was something along the lines of "Did you create Kylo Ren?".
All I remember is Rey acting out of some , anger and ‘ frustration ‘ whilst apparently taking Ren’s side of events before attacking .
Maybe she was blaming him with ‘ feelings ‘ of hatred that Ren felt for him ( residual thoughts left during their ‘ specially ‘ arranged bonding moments
...that make me shake my head. You "can't accept TLJ" - that's just sounds childish. TLJ happened - it's a Star Wars movie and it's not going away anytime soon. But, hey - at least your points aren't simply "Ermahgerd, Kathleen Kennedy..." nor did you create the RPF equivalent of midichlorians to justify your anti-SW agenda. (See what I did there? :rolleyes ).and the fact that some of us just can’t accept that TLJ didn’t even try to play like Pt.2 of a trilogy , nor in some instances , a Star Wars film .
How so? Just curious - I took it the other way (if I am understanding you correctly). In the film, one could come away with the impression that Luke Skywalker - greatest Jedi in the Galaxy - fell back because he was either afraid of Rey (or her lightsaber) or because she was besting him. I took the slip to indicate that no, Luke only fell back because he slipped, not because he was "outgunned". I thought it was an attempt to rehabilitiate Luke, not Rey. (That being said, regardless of the justification given in either medium - having Luke fall back (or having him fall and not immediately hop back up) was a mistake, no two ways about it. He's either being beaten by a neophyte, or he's clumsy and unaware of his surroundings - neither of which fits with the character we know.)
@JD , I’m happy you enjoyed it . I didn’t , and I’ve shared some of the reasons as to why .
I agree , it’s unfortunate that both sides here appear to take , at times , extreme arguments to justify their rationale for feeling the way they do .
I guess we’ll put that down to people being passionate about the subject matter at hand , and the fact that some of us just can’t accept that TLJ didn’t even try to play like Pt.2 of a trilogy , nor in some instances , a Star Wars film .
:cheersGed
I made a gif of this to demonstrate, that I put here. Does this look like Luke is slipping on a rock? To me it looks like he's scared as hell after an angry student pulls a live saber on him and winds up to swing. This is why the retcon in the comic bothered me: people have complained about this scene, and low and behold it's changed in another adaptation in a way that completely changes the tone. Luke's just clumsy, and Rey is using the saber as a makeshift flashlight... lol.
It didn't play like a Star Wars movie at all. It played like a Disney cartoon. Y'know, for little kids.
An orphan saves the day. People with no training defeat those with years of training.
Ok, I’ll bite. What the heck does this even mean? Obviously, it’s a film made by Disney/Lucasfilm, using SW characters, in SW locations, in a SW trilogy taking place after other SW films. Are we really having to discuss this? “Not what I expected from a Star Wars film” I could understand, or “Not what I wanted from a Force Awakens sequel.” But denying that the film is what we all know it is seems a bit silly. (Or, um, childish. Did someone mention “kiddies?”)Lot's folks agree TLJ is *not* a Star Wars movie. When things cool down, if Disney wakes up, Star Wars will (hopefully) go back to being actual Star Wars.
Ok, so are you now suggesting that a fan poll on a website is a valid way of gauging the opinion of every person who watched the film? This is ridiculous, as only a tiny portion of viewers (and in RT’s case, a large number of non-viewers) actually vote. And those who do had to visit the website of their own free will in order to do so. So using that as a way of proving anything is a flimsy way of propping up an argument.46% on Rotten Tomatoes. So, using math (remember how I said math wasn't gonna work?) that means 54% didnt like. So yes, "lot's of people are saying it stank."
54 is greater than 46. And that means a majority of people recommend *not* seeing it.
Well, for better or worse, that’s EXACTLY how a Star Wars movie played in at least a third of of the pre-Disney films.
ANH
An orphan saves the day - Luke
People with no training defeat those with years of training - Luke vs. Death Star, countless Stormtroopers and pilots
TPM
An orphan saves the day - Anakin
People with no training defeat those with years of training - Anakin, Jar-Jar vs .Trade Federation Army
You could throw ROTJ in there to make it an even half of the pre-Disney films, but I think it’s also fair to say that Luke’s training as a Jedi made up for his orphan status, and the Ewoks at least had their own jungle training. So we can just leave it out.
Not saying that’s great, because frankly it’s getting more than a little tired. But it is the Star Wars way, as envisioned by GL.
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ETA - yes, I know that Anakin was not technically an orphan because he still had a mother. But he was separated from her and on his own, so functionally an orphan for purposes of the story. (And Luke’s father was still technically alive, though we didn’t know that at the time). Since we don’t know whether Rey’s parents are really alive or dead, functionally equivalent.
Ok, so are you now suggesting that a fan poll on a website is a valid way of gauging the opinion of every person who watched the film? This is ridiculous, as only a tiny portion of viewers (and in RT’s case, a large number of non-viewers) actually vote. And those who do had to visit the website of their own free will in order to do so. So using that as a way of proving anything is a flimsy way of propping up an argument.
To my knowledge, they didn’t poll every single person who saw TLJ, nor do they have a representative sample of viewers (something they would need to have for the RT poll to mean much.)
What we’re left with is akin to the advertisements that say “9 out of 10 doctors agree, this toothbrush is the best,” with no indication as to who any of them are or whether they are qualified by to give their opinions.
edit: The rest of that last post was all over the place and too scattered for me to really respond to. Much of it didn’t make any sense even after reading it multiple times. Sorry.
I had to save this quote for prosperity.
Annakin and orphan? Raised by his mom, gladly taken by jedi...Yeah, just like Rey. Oh, and the whole slave thing, how did Rey get rid of her chip?
I could keep going but maybe you should WATCH the first six movies first.
You would be fun at parties, for everyone else.