Suicide Squad (Post-release)

I'd say there are more successful action/scifi/superhero movies with female leads lately than unsuccessful. Hunger Games, Fury Road (It may have had Max's name on the title, but Charlize Theron's Furiosa was the main character in that movie), Alice in Wonderland (it sucked, but it still is in the top 50 domestic gross films), and Gravity to name a few.

If the movie is well made, audiences will turn out, and don't underestimate the fact that there are a LOT of women out there like me who have been clamoring for a female lead superhero story for YEARS now.

not just women. i'd love to see a real batgirl movie done by bruce timm, with harley as a main villain. but not with this current crop of people doing the movies.
We'd get a scene with batgirl jumping on a trampolene ...while fighting a bunch of ninjas. for some reason or something
 
I've seen it today.

It's not a bad film, but quite uninspired. The scenario is a bit of a mess. Some people are not so much characters as plot devices.

Davis, Robbie and Hernandez have the best parts, they are solid. As much as I like Will Smith, he stands out like a sore thumb. He plays Will Smith, the cool, charismatic guy only with a very thin veneer of "being bad" He does a great job and steals the movie, but he's completely miscast. Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje feels wasted, he couldn't be more of a Chekov Gun if they tried, except they don't do anything with him.

And then there is the Joker, he's crazy, he's violent, he's homicidal and he looks like a drug lord with a shtick, he's not the focus of the film, but all he does is, like just about everyone does these days when asked to play a villain is be "unhinged" And the relationship feels wrong, in other media Harley Quinn is often the punching bag in an abusive relationship, here she's more Joker than the Joker ...

The whole story is paint-by-numbers, it has action scenes, jokes, big things being blown up and a few twists that never seem to pay off, it's the kind of movie that is almost custom made for "hell yeah" moments, except that for some reason, the audience has been naughty and we're not getting them ...

I was mostly entertained, I was bored a few times, including right in the middle of a major action scene. As much as it glosses over the cool moments it completely grinds to a halt and focus on some part of the action for far too long.

Right now the whole WB/DC universe feels, for lack of a better word, "Autistic" as in unable to connect with the source matter, unable to transcribe it to film, unable to translate it to something "good". Please don't consider this is a denigration of autism, but Batman v Superman and Suicide Squad have these weird moments where you realize they are trying very hard to please us as an audience and they consistently get it wrong as if there is a fundamental disconnect they cannot mentally hurdle.

Man of Steel got flak for its destruction-porn, the whole story was written in such a way that Superman came off as a complete idiot. They took up this criticism in an almost sarcastic way in BvS and sort of hammered it in that the areas they were fighting were uninhabited in a "are you ****ing happy now ?" Whereas in Suicide Squad a whole city is once again in jeopardy, we see a few people being killed, but the next scene shows a whole city being evacuated in an orderly fashion and by the time the team goes into action, the city is completely empty in a "hold on, that doesn't feel right either." This is the kind of nuance they seem to go completely over their heads. There is a huge difference between a large chunk of the population being killed without the hero as much as giving them a sideways glance and some strange aversion the public may have for people getting killed. No, we the public accept that when superheroes fight people will get hurt or killed, we just don't like our "heroes" to not give a **** about the little people and only save those that happen to be called Lois Lane ...

This also touches on what I think is the biggest problem of the film, the actual plot. They go through two sets of exposition to tell us that Meta-Humans are a huge threat and they need Meta-Humans to fight this threat. The best they can come up with is a mix of mostly humans, a big guy who is supposed to be the muscle, and the only real meta-human on the team, a guy who can control fire. If you paid any attention, this team, if available at the time of the Smallville incident, would have been perfectly useless. Most would have been killed with a single blow while being utterly unable to even make the participants pause for a second.

Which brings us to an obvious question, in the wake of the Gotham incident, where are Batman and Wonder Woman ? I assume that Batman is far too busy jumping up on and down on the face of a pickpocket while crying about mommy and daddy, but wouldn't Wonder Woman even so much as take a peek to check on things ? Or is this some "I only do the even-numbered threats" thing ?

Oh and one last thing, there is a post-credits scene and for me it sums up everything that's wrong about DC/WB universe. If it's supposed to be the equivalent of Nick Fury and the Avengers initiative, they really haven't got a clue ...
 
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I said when I saw the first picture of the Joker that this movie was going to suck. If you screw up the Joker that much... then the rest is in big trouble. After the recent trailers I was pumped. I really want to like it and I still may see it. I love all those characters but man WB... WTH!!!
 
I'm getting a bad feeling that the Joker isn't Jason and someone just really screwed up the character design and shouldn't be allowed near comic book movies again. DC seems to be slipping in quality with live action and animated which was their specialty.
 
sounds about right...

boy, it's a good thing we are allowed to pre judge this film without upsetting people. because, as usual, it seems like my pre judgment was dead on...

yep. no need to see this mess.
 
Rotwang: When I saw this trailer in the theaters for the first time, the one where they speculate about what would happen if Superman came down and ripped the roof off the White House, I didn't even bother whispering when I said "Not one of these people would be able to do a damned thing about it."
 
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God damned, I went to 2 different theatres, all showings were sold out ! For once that I don't book my tickets in advance ! I'm pissed, but no matter how good that movie is or not, it's gonna have a hell of an opening weekend and first week. I've never had that before in my life. But god damned I'm pissed, I've been looking forward to it all day...
 
God damned, I went to 2 different theatres, all showings were sold out ! For once that I don't book my tickets in advance ! I'm pissed, but no matter how good that movie is or not, it's gonna have a hell of an opening weekend and first week. I've never had that before in my life. But god damned I'm pissed, I've been looking forward to it all day...

Not to sound like a jerk, but if you've been looking forward to seeing it THAT bad, then why didn't you just order advanced tickets just for that extra piece of mind?
 
I'm going to see it tomorrow, but I find it hard to believe it's as bad as the current critics make it sound. Perhaps it is, but reading them all, it sounds like some either wanted an R rated Deadpool like movie, or, well, a Guardians of the Galaxy copy. It kinda feels like critics are not receptive at all to any CBM that's not coming from Marvel... I'm not buying into these "paid critics" non-sense, but I'm starting to wonder if they're not getting formatted to the Marvel formula and just reject everything else, except for Deadpool that is sort of a parody of comic book movies...Or I'm just imagining things. I'll make my mind tomorrow.
One thing I do know, @NeilT, is that if this movie is indeed failing, it's not because of the costumes or any gender swap... :rolleyes

I'm neither a Marvel or DC fanboy so I have no horse in the race, but other than Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy there's not much DC has gotten right in recent memory(Superman Returns, Green Lantern, Man of Steel, BvS and now Suicide Squad). It's true not all Marvel movies are great(Thor 2 and Iron Man 3 just to name a couple), but when they get it right like they did with Civil War, The Avengers, Iron Man, Winter Soldier, Guardians, etc, it's clear that they're on a completely different level of quality than DC. It doesn't take paying off reviewers to figure that out.
 
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I'm a DC fan boy. at least of their earlier simpler comic adventures and more recent animated adventures. when they get it right, it's awesome.


I'm also going to have to agree, other than the nolan batman trilogy (and I hated dark knights joker outing), they havn't gotten much right recently. starting with green lantern.

Although, looking back on how goofy that was, I can't help but wonder if that was the first thing they took wrong away from all this... 'Maybe Green lantern failed because it was too cartoony.. we should go darker nexttime...see if that works'...

Now that uber dark isn't working, they try and mesh the two attempts with suicide squads 'dark comedy' look.

I don't know. considering how bad this summer blockbuster season has been (only one i really enjoyed was finding dory).....hollywood is doomed if they can't figure out why their big tentpoll reboots and sequels and rebootquels are failing...
 
I'm a DC fan boy. at least of their earlier simpler comic adventures and more recent animated adventures. when they get it right, it's awesome.


I'm also going to have to agree, other than the nolan batman trilogy (and I hated dark knights joker outing), they havn't gotten much right recently. starting with green lantern.

Although, looking back on how goofy that was, I can't help but wonder if that was the first thing they took wrong away from all this... 'Maybe Green lantern failed because it was too cartoony.. we should go darker nexttime...see if that works'...

Now that uber dark isn't working, they try and mesh the two attempts with suicide squads 'dark comedy' look.

I don't know. considering how bad this summer blockbuster season has been (only one i really enjoyed was finding dory).....hollywood is doomed if they can't figure out why their big tentpoll reboots and sequels and rebootquels are failing...

You lost me at hating Ledger's Joker. Nothing else I can say after that.
 
That's OK. I'm used to the shocked reaction at that.

To me, that was not the joker. that was a mad man impersonator who was nothing of the sort.
 
@Rotwang: When I saw this trailer in the theaters for the first time, the one where they speculate about what would happen if Superman came down and ripped the roof off the White House, I didn't even bother whispering when I said "Not one of these people would be able to do a damned thing about it."

Actually Enchantress, Waller's prime asset, would be perfectly capable to bring Superman down. Magic and all that...

Not to sound like a jerk, but if you've been looking forward to seeing it THAT bad, then why didn't you just order advanced tickets just for that extra piece of mind?

Well, the first theatre I went to is on a student campus, and doesn't allow reservations. I usually don't like going to that one but it's right next to my best bud's flat, and being the summer vacations and all, we thought we'd be good. Once we got in and saw the huge lines at the machines, and the screens showing there wasn't any seats left, we quickly got out and drove to another town that had showing we could catch, except upon arriving, same deal... Now I've booked my tickets for friday so this time no surprises.

I'm neither a Marvel or DC fanboy so I have no horse in the race, but other than Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy there's not much DC has gotten right in recent memory(Superman Returns, Green Lantern, Man of Steel, BvS and now Suicide Squad). It's true not all Marvel movies are great(Thor 2 and Iron Man 3 just to name a couple), but when they get it right like they did with Civil War, The Avengers, Iron Man, Winter Soldier, Guardians, etc, it's clear that they're on a completely different level of quality than DC. It doesn't take paying off reviewers to figure that out.

Oh I agree on that, quite a few Marvel movies are very good movies on their own right, they're just better overall than any current DCEU movies so far, even if I did enjoy both MoS and BvS (the ultimate cut at least !). Obviously I missed my SS showing, so I can't judge yet, but I find it hard to believe that it sits so low when less good Marvels still enjoy much higher scores. It does kinda look like all these critics want Marvel or nothing... Or maybe the movie really is the mess they seem to paint it as, but I'll make my own opinion friday.
 
Apparently there were two cuts of this film, so its being stated now. A very dark one by Ayers and one the WB execs wanted, which was much lighter. What we've got is a combination of the two as "negotiated". This is all turning a bit nasty now the reviews are panning it so badly. I hope to hell they sorted "Wonder Woman" out before it was rushed to shoot, and are happy with the tone. I was hugely impressed by that trailer, just as I was with the SS ones, and that turned out well didn't it?
 
Apparently there were two cuts of this film, so its being stated now. A very dark one by Ayers and one the WB execs wanted, which was much lighter. What we've got is a combination of the two as "negotiated". This is all turning a bit nasty now the reviews are panning it so badly. I hope to hell they sorted "Wonder Woman" out before it was rushed to shoot, and are happy with the tone. I was hugely impressed by that trailer, just as I was with the SS ones, and that turned out well didn't it?


OMG!!!! I was RIGHT!!!!!

So the trailers actually reflected EXACTLY what was happening!
 
again.

Why are studios not only being so careless, but also rushing and gambling with these supposed tent pole movies?

does NO ONE but the fans see that this approach just isn't working? are CEO's so surrounded by yes men, that no one is willing to tell them to stop as the company self destructs around them?


I once wondered why the animated guys, who seem to know their crap far better, don't step in and try to tackle live action. one person once said that it's a different set of skill sets, but i don't see that as being as steep a learning curve as some might make it to be.

I saw somewhere the real reason is that apparently the live action guys apparently look down on the animated guys as second class citizens. probably BECAUSE They know how to do things better. and that's probably why guys like bruce timm will never get a shot at doing a live action movie.

kind of sad if true.
 
Apparently there were two cuts of this film, so its being stated now. A very dark one by Ayers and one the WB execs wanted, which was much lighter. What we've got is a combination of the two as "negotiated". This is all turning a bit nasty now the reviews are panning it so badly. I hope to hell they sorted "Wonder Woman" out before it was rushed to shoot, and are happy with the tone. I was hugely impressed by that trailer, just as I was with the SS ones, and that turned out well didn't it?
I guess I'll just skip the theatrical releases of WW and Justice League and wait for the Ultimate Editions.
 
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