Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release)

cayman shen said:

You ever feel like a burst of understanding just explodes in your brain like a flash of light? You just gave me one of those moments.

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I'm not even sure I'd thought of it in that context until I typed that tbh

Ummm so Im gone for a little bit and I see some things have been shaken up so to speak... *cough* :unsure

Snikt said:

Ummm so Im gone for a little bit and I see some things have been shaken up so to speak... *cough* :unsure

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Waves hand:
There's nothing to see here

Paul Andrew said:

Waves hand:
There's nothing to see here

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So many rules on this forum that are so weird. Its like dealing with my HOA :facepalm

Do not talk about Fight Club.

Also, there is NO Rule 6.

Solo4114 said:

Do not talk about Fight Club.

Also, there is NO Rule 6.

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But there IS rule 34.

Snikt said:

So many rules on this forum that are so weird. Its like dealing with my HOA :facepalm

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It's not really that complicated. No politics. No religion. Don't be A-holes to each other. Pretty simple. Anyway...

Coop said:

It's not really that complicated. No politics. No religion. Don't be A-holes to each other. Pretty simple. Anyway...

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I meant not being able to even mention banned members. THATS what Im referring to. The stuff you mentioned isnt that complicated, but thanks for the snark. :unsure

Snikt said:

I meant not being able to even mention banned members. THATS what Im referring to. The stuff you mentioned isnt that complicated, but thanks for the snark. :unsure

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That was pretty snarky. Apologies. :cheers :cheers

Solo4114 said:

Do not talk about Fight Club.

Also, there is NO Rule 6.

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There is no rule 6, Bruce!

So, a couple things upon rewatch here.
The Luke/Yoda scene gives me all the feels. It's a thing of beauty.
2nd, the work that went into updating the in world tech, like the new star destroyer technical stations, is brilliant. Smacks of the old stuff but still new and cool.

I'll never watch a Ruin J. film again. Ever....

I liked Looper but not TLJ so it's a coin toss for me on RJ but I don't really see films based on who wrote or directed it anyway.

I know I’m super late to the party on this one but... this film is, in my opinion, the single worst cinematic disaster and betrayal of original source material in the history of film.
Some films are just plain bad. This was a compete waste of a fantastic franchise and I feel that, unless there is a complete reversal of ideas and plot elements on the next one that the ‘official’ world of Star Wars (as in the franchise) is dead in the water.
I’ll be reading Timothy Zahn’s novels and thinking of ways to unofficially revive Star Wars in the realms of fan fiction.

May the force be with you all.

Paul Andrew said:

So, a couple things upon rewatch here.
The Luke/Yoda scene gives me all the feels. It's a thing of beauty.
2nd, the work that went into updating the in world tech, like the new star destroyer technical stations, is brilliant. Smacks of the old stuff but still new and cool.

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Yeah, my kid is 2, very talkative, and VERY opinionated. "We are what they grow beyond" gets me every time.

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So, I've been watching those epic YouTube criticism videos (I'm almost finished the last one) and I have to say, even though I only saw the film once, everything he's talking about was going through my mind while I was watching it.

I kept trying to recalibrate my brain to enjoy something and I just couldn't.

Is it flawed on the details? Yes. Plot inconsistency after inconsistency.
Is it flawed in it's originality? Yes. Page after page was ripped out of previous, better star wars flicks.
Is it flawed in it's SWIQ? yes. The way he brought new things to the table did more damage to previous star wars conventions than it added to them.
Is it flawed in it's story/character arc? This one is certainly more subjective. While I hated Luke, many people didn't.


So this brings me to ask, is it possible to enjoy something that is flawed in everyway possible? Obviously a lot of people like this movie. Yet most of those those flaws aren't subjective, either.

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astroboy said:

So, I've been watching those epic YouTube criticism videos (I'm almost finished the last one) and I have to say, even though I only saw the film once, everything he's talking about was going through my mind while I was watching it.

I kept trying to recalibrate my brain to enjoy something and I just couldn't.

Is it flawed on the details? Yes. Plot inconsistency after inconsistency.
Is it flawed in it's originality? Yes. Page after page was ripped out of previous, better star wars flicks.
Is it flawed in it's SWIQ? yes. The way he brought new things to the table did more damage to previous star wars conventions than it added to them.
Is it flawed in it's story/character arc? This one is certainly more subjective. While I hated Luke, many people didn't.


So this brings me to ask, is it possible to enjoy something that is flawed in everyway possible? Obviously a lot of people like this movie. Yet most of those those flaws aren't subjective, either.

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Try and talk about objectively bad issues in this movie and prepare to jaw drop as people accept...nay, Defend...nay, LOVE the stupid. No matter how well you 'splain it, they blindly accepted something stupid, unphased, in fact, sometimes loving it.

Last thing they want to do it acknowledge that they loved something so broken.

Of course, you can like a flawed character...I would hate a Captain Amazing movie unless it was intentionally super campy. Flaws are to be expected in just about any story, but TLJ is like watching a dog vomit. Y'know, and everyone who understands it starts shouting, "no no no!" as the dog eats it up again, only to vomit AGAIN!

The point behind a major franchise is people expect entertainment, quality, and some consistency. While TLJ was visually pretty, good sound, the story and characters were vomit. Not just a let down, but a slap in the face to true fans. Read through this thread, you will see folks defending what should be considered indefensible...wayyyy too distracting to make a good film.

JPH said:

While TLJ was visually pretty, good sound

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You are way more forgiving than me. Everything filmed indoors just looked like a sound stage to me. And the throne room looked like they either forgot to put the background over the green (red) screen or ran out of budget to do it. Yoda, urgh! Porgs looked like cartoons, which leads me to:

I hear that in Solo we are led to believe that Chewie is known to eat people. People! Beings that can reason, plea and bargain with him, but he eats them. But after hunting, killing, skinning and cooking a Porg he can't eat it when another one gives him the doe eyes. Like they went out to double down on the badness.

mattycsi said:

You are way more forgiving than me. Everything filmed indoors just looked like a sound stage to me. And the throne room looked like they either forgot to put the background over the green (red) screen or ran out of budget to do it. Yoda, urgh! Porgs looked like cartoons, which leads me to:

I hear that in Solo we are led to believe that Chewie is known to eat people. People! Beings that can reason, plea and bargain with him, but he eats them. But after hunting, killing, skinning and cooking a Porg he can't eat it when another one gives him the doe eyes. Like they went out to double down on the badness.

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I agree. I went to school for theatre design and if I learned anything it's that a design doesn't mean anything unless it's supported by the narrative.

And by that, I mean that "no colour but red" isn't a concept, it's just fashion

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Well you can't convince people that what they LOVE is ****e. All the ammo they have is the same lame crap, you're a hater, mysoganist, blah blah, blah in cross argument.
Drown in your love for Ruin. J....Your wrong, and you probably think Battlefield Earth is fantastic film making.

I watched a YouTube video to something of the effect of everything wrong with TLJ. And it ended up with over 100+ critical writing -points or plot holes. I agreed with them all, and could have added a few more of my own.
I've NEVER walked out of a SW film feeling so disgusted and disappointed. It's a completely rediculous film. It doesn't get any worse! How can this crap even be intellectually defended? Rotten writing is rotten writing. It can't be defended.

I know I'll never see another Ruin J. film. And any writer/director that ENJOYS dividing fans is a hack POS. He's said so himself. He's pure garbage/trash.

SW should be made for everyone to enjoy! Not some PC crap that shoves SJW BS down ones throat. Or turning the most beloved characters in cinematic history into PC bizarrer Muppets of themselves.

I hope JJ works some magic into NEIN, and brings it back. Unfortunately though I think the damage is done.

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Well you can't convince people that what they LOVE is ****e. All the ammo they have is the same lame crap, you're a hater, mysoganist, blah blah, blah in cross argument.
Drown in your love for Ruin. J....Your wrong, and you probably think Battlefield Earth is fantastic film making.

I watched a YouTube video to something of the effect of everything wrong with TLJ. And it ended up with over 100+ critical writing -points or plot holes. I agreed with them all, and could have added a few more of my own.
I've NEVER walked out of a SW film feeling so disgusted and disappointed. It's a completely rediculous film. It doesn't get any worse! How can this crap even be intellectually defended? Rotten writing is rotten writing. It can't be defended.

I know I'll never see another Ruin J. film. And any writer/director that ENJOYS dividing fans is a hack POS. He's said so himself. He's pure garbage/trash.

SW should be made for everyone to enjoy! Not some PC crap that shoves SJW BS down ones throat. Or turning the most beloved characters in cinematic history into PC bizarrer Muppets of themselves.

I hope JJ works some magic into NEIN, and brings it back. Unfortunately though I think the damage is done.