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    1 Week Ago  Dec 4, 2017, 1:47 PM - Fake Luke ESB Hero Lightsaber? #1

    Hey guys,

    I'm in a movie prop group on facebook, and I'm sure at least a couple of you might be in it too. It's for real movie props, not replicas. Anyway there is a guy that is claiming that he has one of the original ESB Luke lightsabers. I've called him out on it but he's not backing down, in fact a friend of his is backing him up on it. I don't believe his friend either because he claims he has Obi-Wan's ANH lightsaber. So I was hoping that some of you would confirm the fact that I'm not crazy.

    Here is what he is claiming as a real ESB Lightsaber used for promo shoots. (try not to laugh) See how many problems you can spot.

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    1 Week Ago  Dec 4, 2017, 1:56 PM - Re: Fake Luke ESB Hero Lightsaber? #2

    It came from Elstree studios, so clearly it's legit.
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    1 Week Ago  Dec 4, 2017, 2:05 PM - Re: Fake Luke ESB Hero Lightsaber? #3

    Its a mix between ANH and ESB.....So.....
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    1 Week Ago  Dec 4, 2017, 2:09 PM - Re: Fake Luke ESB Hero Lightsaber? #4

    I’m also on the group you mentioned and I was literally just reading through that particular post. I was under the impression he is saying that it was used for the promo photoshoots not actually used in the films? Or did I pick that up wrong?


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    1 Week Ago  Dec 4, 2017, 2:15 PM - Re: Fake Luke ESB Hero Lightsaber? #5

    The one used in the second set of photoshoots was the “Ranch” saber. I think more photos were taken of Mark in the ANH costume post ESB for some reason, his face is pretty clearly different because of the car crash he was in. The textured tape and red button in the socket show that it is the Ranch saber. Also, I think it has been confirmed that the ANH sabers were all stripped of there parts and returned to the London camera shop Roger Christian rented them from. They kept some from ESB, but that is clearly not one.


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    1 Week Ago  Dec 4, 2017, 2:16 PM - Re: Fake Luke ESB Hero Lightsaber? #6

    The hybrid style and the grips (notched but rounded/angled) remind me of the Kurtz Graflex.
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    1 Week Ago  Dec 4, 2017, 2:20 PM - Re: Fake Luke ESB Hero Lightsaber? #7

    He did mention that, but his promo pic does not match. He hasn't posted anything to confirm it, just saying he has some paper from some auction house. I haven't seen anything that makes me think this is credible.

    Drac said: View Post
    I’m also on the group you mentioned and I was literally just reading through that particular post. I was under the impression he is saying that it was used for the promo photoshoots not actually used in the films? Or did I pick that up wrong?


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    1 Week Ago  Dec 4, 2017, 2:38 PM - Re: Fake Luke ESB Hero Lightsaber? #8

    newmagrathea said: View Post
    He did mention that, but his promo pic does not match. He hasn't posted anything to confirm it, just saying he has some paper from some auction house. I haven't seen anything that makes me think this is credible.
    That’s fair enough, just with you saying In your original post that he claimed it was “screen used”. I agree there seems to be issues with it even being used for promo’s without proof too. But I’m no expert so I can’t really say.


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    1 Week Ago  Dec 4, 2017, 2:40 PM - Re: Fake Luke ESB Hero Lightsaber? #9

    Oh right so I did. I'll fix that. Thanks

    Drac said: View Post
    That’s fair enough, just with you saying In your original post that he claimed it was “screen used”. I agree there seems to be issues with it even being used for promo’s without proof too. But I’m no expert so I can’t really say.


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    1 Week Ago  Dec 4, 2017, 2:42 PM - Re: Fake Luke ESB Hero Lightsaber? #10

    newmagrathea said: View Post
    Oh right so I did. I'll fix that. Thanks
    No worries ;-)


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    1 Week Ago  Dec 4, 2017, 2:52 PM - Re: Fake Luke ESB Hero Lightsaber? #11

    Kenzie C01 said: View Post
    The one used in the second set of photoshoots was the “Ranch” saber. I think more photos were taken of Mark in the ANH costume post ESB for some reason, his face is pretty clearly different because of the car crash he was in. The textured tape and red button in the socket show that it is the Ranch saber. Also, I think it has been confirmed that the ANH sabers were all stripped of there parts and returned to the London camera shop Roger Christian rented them from. They kept some from ESB, but that is clearly not one. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...b76486f4b7.pnghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...5f7eaaa097.png


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    This is amazing!! U don’t happen to have more pictures of Luke in ANH cloths with dagobah saber do you?
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    1 Week Ago  Dec 4, 2017, 4:13 PM - Re: Fake Luke ESB Hero Lightsaber? #12

    Aren't these from the Holiday Special photo shoot that LFL has subsequently photoshopped a Graflex saber into?
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    1 Week Ago  Dec 4, 2017, 4:20 PM - Re: Fake Luke ESB Hero Lightsaber? #13

    halliwax said: View Post
    This is amazing!! U don’t happen to have more pictures of Luke in ANH cloths with dagobah saber do you?
    If you Google Luke Skywalker photoshoot ANH then you’ll find a bunch along with the preproduction shots


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    1 Week Ago  Dec 4, 2017, 4:22 PM - Re: Fake Luke ESB Hero Lightsaber? #14

    Treadwell said: View Post
    Aren't these from the Holiday Special photo shoot that LFL has subsequently photoshopped a Graflex saber into?
    Could be


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    1 Week Ago  Dec 4, 2017, 4:25 PM - Re: Fake Luke ESB Hero Lightsaber? #15

    @newmagrathea Could you ask him to post a picture of the D-ring, please?

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    1 Week Ago  Dec 4, 2017, 4:31 PM - Re: Fake Luke ESB Hero Lightsaber? #16

    I think someone already did. But if not I will. He's already dodged posting more pics once by saying he didn't have the saber with him. I found that comment pretty odd. Also all the pics he posted are blurry. Seems like if you can afford a prop like that than you can afford a decent camera, even the one on a phone should be enough.

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    @newmagrathea Could you ask him to post a picture of the D-ring, please?

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    1 Week Ago  Dec 4, 2017, 4:48 PM - Re: Fake Luke ESB Hero Lightsaber? #17

    I'm curious to see how many grips it has as well ... a picture of the D-ring should reveal this. I always try to keep an open mind so I compared the blurry pictures next to the famous toe-pic and another ANH lightsaber ... what strikes me as curious is the bubblestrip and the rounded T-tracks as well as the hiatus between the grips ... indeed one would expect perfectly sharp pictures if one makes claims as to pedigree of a prop

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    1 Week Ago  Dec 4, 2017, 5:15 PM - Re: Fake Luke ESB Hero Lightsaber? #18

    Well, another person in the group messaged me and sent me this link about the guy. I think this is a nail in the coffin as to his credibility.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/70...-mother-jailed


    And another person posted this: "I assume that Steve is the same Steve Wickenden who bought the Elstree Props business and the Danziger collection, and now runs a hire business with his Back to the Future DeLorean conversion. Elstree Props was under his tenure when the Golden Gun was stolen from there."
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    1 Week Ago  Dec 4, 2017, 8:27 PM - Re: Fake Luke ESB Hero Lightsaber? #19

    Kenzie C01 said: View Post
    The one used in the second set of photoshoots was the “Ranch” saber. I think more photos were taken of Mark in the ANH costume post ESB for some reason, his face is pretty clearly different because of the car crash he was in. The textured tape and red button in the socket show that it is the Ranch saber. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...b76486f4b7.pnghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...5f7eaaa097.png
    @Treadwell is correct. This photoshoot was during the Holiday Special, and Mark is actually holding the Holiday Special saber, and they later "photoshopped" the Ranch saber over it. Here's a crop of his hands from those two shots holding the Holiday Special saber.

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    1 Week Ago  Dec 4, 2017, 8:40 PM - Re: Fake Luke ESB Hero Lightsaber? #20

    Thank you for sharing this!


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    1 Week Ago  Dec 4, 2017, 9:21 PM - Re: Fake Luke ESB Hero Lightsaber? #21

    Im in that convo as well. I keep asking for a promo pic with the saber but doesn't have one cause you know...
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    1 Week Ago  Dec 4, 2017, 9:30 PM - Re: Fake Luke ESB Hero Lightsaber? #22

    Didn't Elstree have something to do with the original verification of this thing that was pulled from auction? Seems like it says they did. Was this guy Steve in charge at the time the "authenticator" did its work? I think it was called Pieces of the Stars and it was connected to Elstree.
    http://www.originalprop.com/blog/cat...di-lightsaber/
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    1 Week Ago  Dec 4, 2017, 9:46 PM - Re: Fake Luke ESB Hero Lightsaber? #23

    The rust on the bottom half is a tell, last I checked brass doesn't rust. He's also claimed it's a real graflex, so either he doesn't know or he's lying. So far no new pics of his prop or any new promo pics with it in the pic.

    Sym-Cha said: View Post
    I'm curious to see how many grips it has as well ... a picture of the D-ring should reveal this. I always try to keep an open mind so I compared the blurry pictures next to the famous toe-pic and another ANH lightsaber ... what strikes me as curious is the bubblestrip and the rounded T-tracks as well as the hiatus between the grips ... indeed one would expect perfectly sharp pictures if one makes claims as to pedigree of a prop

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    1 Week Ago  Dec 4, 2017, 11:26 PM - Re: Fake Luke ESB Hero Lightsaber? #24

    ScottJua pointed out one pretty interesting fact...

    ...nickle plated brass doesn't rust.
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    1 Week Ago  Dec 5, 2017, 8:12 AM - Re: Fake Luke ESB Hero Lightsaber? #25

    Anyone got a close up of the rust?


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