Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release)

What did you think of Star Wars: The Last Jedi?

  • It was great. Loved it. Don't miss it at the theaters.

    Votes: 154 26.6%
  • It was good. Liked it very much. Worth the theater visit.

    Votes: 135 23.4%
  • It was okay. Not too pleased with it. Could watch it at the cinema once or wait for home video.

    Votes: 117 20.2%
  • It was disappointing. Watch it on home video instead.

    Votes: 70 12.1%
  • It was bad. Don't waste your time with it.

    Votes: 102 17.6%

  • Total voters
    578
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9hwGZFPSmw

In a strange way I almost feel liberated by my disappointment in TLJ. I think I may finally be to a point where I don't really care what they do with the series any more. I will still see the new films but I will be viewing them as a casual movie goer will. Like the Marvel films for me they will be good or bad and they will more than likely be forgotten in a week.

Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi have all stood the test of time. These movies will always be near and dear to my heart and I will ALWAYS be a fan.

It's just a shame that it's taken me so long to get here.
 
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I`m out, its pointless. Just let me know what @The Wook thinks about it and I`ll go with that.

Oh, I'm sure he loved it.

Hard to talk about it's star wars Iq with a mouth full of Porg! :lol

Mmmm, yes, they are good. Taste like chicken. (My avatar looks like I'm just about to rip into one.)

Well, I've not yet had a chance to sit down and review the film here. I only came into this thread because I was summoned by Mr Webber's above mention of me. lol

I saw the picture opening night. Stand by for my take on it, sometime in the next week. Just a lot goin' on...what with Christmas, and all.

The Wook
 
Mmmm, yes, they are good. Taste like chicken. (My avatar looks like I'm just about to rip into one.)

Well, I've not yet had a chance to sit down and review the film here. I only came into this thread because I was summoned by Mr Webber's above mention of me. lol

I saw the picture opening night. Stand by for my take on it, sometime in the next week. Just a lot goin' on...what with Christmas, and all.

The Wook
So, the real question is, is Rian Johnson's SWIQ off the charts? [emoji3]

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Been an interesting read this thread. I've had many different reactions to this film and what I think about it. At this stage I'm feeling a kind of resignation. I'm OT generation and I don't think these films are really intended for me; I'm not really the target audience.

That's why the things that are beloved to me are not being treated the way I would expect. The director has been very clear about wanting to move away from all the old SW (chuck the lightsabre) and is quite happy to cherry pick bits and pieces from the existing films (the awesome falcon chase through the crystal caverns with the BEST soundtrack) on the way to get where he wants.

The stuff that's important to me (WTF with admiral Akbar, Han's death, the absence of a Han, Luke, Leia triangle that was the core of the OT) ain't important to them. So accepting that has made me enjoy the film for what it is and not what I think it should be

This is basically the same conclusion I’ve finally come to with this film as well . Good for Rian Johnson wanting to make a statement regarding where the franchise has been for so long , and needing to take it into unknown ( paraphrasing his words ) territory - for a new generation of fans . Only wish he weren’t riding on GLs’ coattails so much to do so !

Also , just wish He ( Studios included ) , hadn’t felt the need to include and subsequently trash the ideals ( folklore ) and characters id grown up ( loving ) with to do so . Honestly , they could have just announced a New Star Wars Movie / Trilogy , set in that universe ( ala Rogue One ) without bringing in any of the , OT stalwarts and putting them in situations that were out of ‘ character ‘ from what we had known of them - to further his own agenda .

But I guess they couldn’t leave well enough alone ... too much money to be made from all those pesky ‘ fans ‘ of old ! Lord knows how ‘ Ep IX ‘ , not to mention ‘ Solo ‘ will turn out and be received !?
 
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I find it almost as impossible to believe that the man who both wrote and produced two such mature and original screenplays such as "Brick " and "Looper" came up with this script.
The most glaringly obvious explanation is he was instructed to pitched TLJ squarely at kids. Its simplistic and often incredulously weak storylines and character direction were almost unfailingly juvenile, as was much of the humour.Large parts of the movie came over more like a live action remake of a cartoon and I find myself wondering if the story group behind Rebels had an undue influence over it,despite what Rian says.
There were moments that almost managed to recaptured some of the old magic but they were mostly fleeting. Instead often all I could think watching this was that Rian had somehow confused the Battlestar Galactica universe with the Star Wars one, then panicked by crushing in the best bits of ROTJ and TESB, along with some of the worst excesses of the prequels.
On the plus side visually it was, for the most part, strong and sometimes stunning, but again instead of allowing you to be quietly impressed by those scenes they were constantly undermining them with dire story decisions, dialogue or comedy, often all three at once. I was deeply embarrassed for some of the actors, especially Hux and Finn ,who had some of the worst scenes I have ever witnessed in a SW movie, not to mention the others mentioned consistently in this thread.
And yet once again in a new SW movie the director decides to introduce universe breaking rules that fundamentally flaw the existing premises of the previous movie mythology so seriously its going to be difficult to rectify going forward.
Just as there is a balance (apparently) to the Force , so there is in writing and making a SW movie that appeals to the vast majority of its fans and the general public. This felt like it strayed way over the mark and many of the decisions made appear to have needlessly alienated a large portion of the traditional fanbase and ultimately this is going to effect the box office, both for this and the series going forward.
I'll be interested to see how this plays out in the long term. I went yesterday and there were exactly fifteen people watching it with me.


PS I expected to see that the reason the Rebels lured them to Crait was so that the ground attack by the huge AT ATs would be scuppered by destroying the mines and collapsing the ground benieth them but instead we got another grounded "Death Star " run, all be it with pretty colours.
 
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Mmmm, yes, they are good. Taste like chicken. (My avatar looks like I'm just about to rip into one.)

Well, I've not yet had a chance to sit down and review the film here. I only came into this thread because I was summoned by Mr Webber's above mention of me. lol

I saw the picture opening night. Stand by for my take on it, sometime in the next week. Just a lot goin' on...what with Christmas, and all.

The Wook

Good to know you're OK. I thought this film might have taken out our own mighty Chew-bac.
 
A smart man on twitter said -
Unsolicited pro tip: If something doesn't seem, on the surface, to move the plot forward, try looking at what it might be doing to character. (e.g.., Luke rushes off to save his friends in ESB only to need rescuing himself and thus further endangering his friends).
 
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One reason there is so much "discussion" in this thread is that too many people act like a STORY DECISION is a plot hole or lazy writing. There are plenty of things we hand wave away or make up an explanations for in the OT because of nostalgia or because we like it. Guarantee we could nitpick a hundred "plot points" from the OT as well but we rarely just poopoo it as lazy writing. In the past, fans use that as a challenge to build head canon or think of why things were done in universe that way.

With this new trilogy it seems those same fans CAN'T understand that or DON'T remember they did it for the OT.
 
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Okay, totally off-the-course nitpicky point, but:

We all know Mark's face was marred by the crash in '77 or so, and, as he gets older, the effects of that become more pronounced in his face. But, why, in the scene where he is standing over young Kylo with the lightsaber, did they not even try to hide the glaring red spot/scar on the bridge of his nose? You can see it in the pic attached, but it really stood out even more in the theater, and was a bit distracting. Do they not have concealer in the LFL makeup kit?

Okay, now you all can go back to arguing.

M

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But to counter that, if it's the character development that is important, try to ask yourself how many ways you could go about getting that across.

For example, if character development was the reason for the casino arc, then perhaps they could have gotten that through with a conversation. Perhaps Finn and rose could have been trapped from the attack on the ship. And through that bond, the same story could be told

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I believe the whole Casino Horse race scene. Was there for a plot, to have the audience ask..are those the Force sensitive children Kilo stole?.. Force working with animals does seem to be a trend, going back to AOTC even TPM.

I guess we will find out in IX
 
I believe the whole Casino Horse race scene. Was there for a plot, to have the audience ask..are those the Force sensitive children Kilo stole?.. Force working with animals does seem to be a trend, going back to AOTC even TPM.

I guess we will find out in IX


You know what? I think that final scene would have worked on it's own, without being attached to the plot.

After all that choking of hope. (which was basically the story of the film, dwindling the rebels down to nothing) the movie could have had a kicker of that exact scene. I think it would have worked brilliantly. To show the audience that hope grows naturally, on it's own throughout the galaxy. You can kill the Jedi, but you can't stop the force.
 
But to counter that, if it's the character development that is important, try to ask yourself how many ways you could go about getting that across.

For example, if character development was the reason for the casino arc, then perhaps they could have gotten that through with a conversation. Perhaps Finn and rose could have been trapped from the attack on the ship. And through that bond, the same story could be told

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i think that's a perfectly valid discussion. Heck, I'm sure the writers came up with a couple methods themselves and made decisions.The point is people automatically say "plot holes" "bad writing" and avoid what could be a fun discussion about the movie.
 
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