SyFy's Heroes of Cosplay
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I agree it's something about mostly female cosplayers that create drama and jealousy, but guys are just as guilty.
A great meme I saw once sums it up: 'Don't try to understand women. Women understand women and they hate each other'.
A great meme I saw once sums it up: 'Don't try to understand women. Women understand women and they hate each other'.
Hmmm... I guess I don't see that as being arrogant, but as him becoming more comfortable with the status he has gained and using it... no different than you see movie stars or anyone else doing. Social media has created the ability for anyone to become someone of importance within certain circles and at some point, I believe many realize that they do have influence over their followers and they use that. I don't particularly think there is anything wrong with that as pretty much everyone with any influence does it on some level and even those of us with only a few personal friends, influence them with our opinions and ideas. People like Harrison just have the ability to do it with a much larger audience.
Having just had a pretty long personal conversation with Volpin a couple of weeks ago, I can tell you, he is as humble as ever and very grateful for his success. I think you might be misreading his postings and I would be one to know as people misread mine all the time... and I don't have anywhere near the following or influence that someone like Harrison has.
Having just had a pretty long personal conversation with Volpin a couple of weeks ago, I can tell you, he is as humble as ever and very grateful for his success. I think you might be misreading his postings and I would be one to know as people misread mine all the time... and I don't have anywhere near the following or influence that someone like Harrison has.
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Dagnie
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Hmmmm yeah, I think we have just been reading the context all wrong.
At any rate, he and thorssoli are always going to be my absolute favorites, no matter what they do or don't turn into. C:
It's hard to ignore such incredible work. You can see the passion oozing out of their props from how much they poured into making the things they do.
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Volpin
Sr Member
Well, Art tagged me in a post so I guess I should chip in my two cents here. Strange to see me being brought up in a thread about this show, but here I am...
If you're referring to the "please stop asking for Daft Punk helmets" posts I've put up a couple times, it's mostly a feeble attempt to try to get people to understand that I'm not a factory and I don't have any intention of making more duplicates of those complex props. I tossed out the links to my buddies Sorenzo, MrPinsky and Moguai because I know all three of them do stellar work and some people who want these helmets would like to know where to get them. I can't accommodate the market demand so I figured I'd tell people about the quality work my friends do.
As for the "like this person because they're my friend" I might toss out a link to people I do frequent work with (Cathy of GSTQ Fashions in particular) or perhaps a product I use often like Apoxie Sculpt or some such, but generally I don't really link out to other pages all too often. I did pimp the Punished Props Kickstarter pretty hard, but that's because Bill is a really good friend of mine and I wanted him to succeed. I don't see much malicious about that but maybe my perspective is tempered by association.
"Pawning off" is... well, I gotta say it, kind of offensive to me as a builder. I put in 10-12 hour days in my shop every single day, then I spend the evenings uploading pictures and videos with detailed information of every step of the process. I've had maybe 10 days off this year. I can't fulfill market demand so I promote other builders who can. To me that's comradery amongst artists.
I don't put up posts to mobilize some sort of rabid following. Mostly I just post progress and link to my site when I have a new item for sale. I realize self advertising may seem somewhat egotistical but this is my full time job and you have to keep the lights on somehow, ya know?
Dagnie
Well-Known Member
Yeah, I realized that we have probably been reading the tone of the posts absolutely wrong. Which, I majorly apologize for.
It was more around the time of you posting about the NECA Half Life Gravity Gun that it seemed a little "advertisey", which is where the "pawn off" part and such comes in.
But you are literally the most well known prop maker there is. I mean, considering even the cosplay community knows about you (and only you), and knowing how they can be, it should be obvious that you get constant messages for the things you make.
My buddy and I really should have considered how frustrating that must be and, realizing now, you were just trying to share the spotlight with some other really incredible fabricators to show you aren't the only one doing these amazing things.
I apologize for reading your posts all wrong.
I was absolutely incorrect, you truly are one incredibly humble soul. v A v
I'm sorry, Volpin...
So it's come to me having to stick up for the sexy costume girls...
Making a sexy Poison Ivy equates to beginning of a porn career? Are you all Puritans? That's a pretty big jump. I don't think there's anything wrong with doing a sexy costume. You can see more skin at a pool or at the beach! I have no idea who she is, but they made a big deal that this is the first time she's done a costume like that. I'm pretty sure several of the women here posted an article talking about dealing with this exact type of bashing at cons.
The guy with the Enclave costume was horrible. The only thing that looked something like it was the helmet. Oh, I also liked when Chloe said "I could get three games for that price!" She's one of us. :lol
The guy with the Enclave costume was horrible. The only thing that looked something like it was the helmet. Oh, I also liked when Chloe said "I could get three games for that price!" She's one of us. :lol
Yes, back the HoC talk.
I want to cut Jesse a little slack. Not for his attitude, but for his costume building.
Follow me on this, okay?
I know when a tv show like this is made, they shoot footage for a pilot, edit it, and then take it to those television conventions and shop it around looking for a network to buy the show, order more episodes, and green-light it for production.
Based on what I've seen so far, I'm guessing some of this show was filmed in 2011 and 2012.
I'm also guessing Jesse is a member of 501st and Trooper forums, possibly cosplay forums. It doesn't seem he's a member here.
The 'using camping mats and hot glue and bondo' to make armor is quite new, popularized in the last 1-2 years.
His technique to 'armor' building is very much like what I've seen guy 'armor' builders use in the last 10 years I've been following costumes and cosplay.
If you wanted to make an 'armor' costume your choices were:
1. Modify existing armor (trooper)
2. Carve bucks and vac-form your own
3. Make and mold in resin or fiberglass
4. Shape metal
5. Use flat plastic and shape with heat
6. modify off-the-shelf stuff to your needs (football/baseball stuff)
7. Cut up garbage cans (even that is really new)
If Jesse knew about the RPF, saw the many armor (Iron Man) builds and saw how amazing foam armor can be when done right I'm sure he would be working with it. I think if his parts on the show were filmed in 2011 or he only goes to 501st type forums he might just not have caught on to that the rest of the costuming community is doing.
If I was making a Steampunk Trooper, taking a brown undersuit, some hard parts and giving them the old copper paint job, and using leather on other parts I'm not sure mine would have looked any different from his. I think his building skills are fine, he's just not a creative designer. Making a (fill-in-the-blank) Steampunk costume is a really beaten dead horse at this point in cosplay.
I want to cut Jesse a little slack. Not for his attitude, but for his costume building.
Follow me on this, okay?
I know when a tv show like this is made, they shoot footage for a pilot, edit it, and then take it to those television conventions and shop it around looking for a network to buy the show, order more episodes, and green-light it for production.
Based on what I've seen so far, I'm guessing some of this show was filmed in 2011 and 2012.
I'm also guessing Jesse is a member of 501st and Trooper forums, possibly cosplay forums. It doesn't seem he's a member here.
The 'using camping mats and hot glue and bondo' to make armor is quite new, popularized in the last 1-2 years.
His technique to 'armor' building is very much like what I've seen guy 'armor' builders use in the last 10 years I've been following costumes and cosplay.
If you wanted to make an 'armor' costume your choices were:
1. Modify existing armor (trooper)
2. Carve bucks and vac-form your own
3. Make and mold in resin or fiberglass
4. Shape metal
5. Use flat plastic and shape with heat
6. modify off-the-shelf stuff to your needs (football/baseball stuff)
7. Cut up garbage cans (even that is really new)
If Jesse knew about the RPF, saw the many armor (Iron Man) builds and saw how amazing foam armor can be when done right I'm sure he would be working with it. I think if his parts on the show were filmed in 2011 or he only goes to 501st type forums he might just not have caught on to that the rest of the costuming community is doing.
If I was making a Steampunk Trooper, taking a brown undersuit, some hard parts and giving them the old copper paint job, and using leather on other parts I'm not sure mine would have looked any different from his. I think his building skills are fine, he's just not a creative designer. Making a (fill-in-the-blank) Steampunk costume is a really beaten dead horse at this point in cosplay.
Scareb
Sr Member
Ultimately it comes down to him wanting to quit his day job and making props and costumes for a living. The thing is, he isn't very good. I mean the only things he really did that were custom was the minigun on his vault dweller and the little ray gun thing for his steamtrooper and to be honest, they weren't very good. If you look at the polish that many of those cosplayers did on their stuff, his is amateur at best.
Now I have nothing against the guy and he has more skill at that stuff than I do but he's in denial if he thinks his costumes are A+ material and that he can create his own company based off those 2 costumes. He's like the guy from last weeks episode of Face off that was sent home. His Makeup and design was terrible but honestly believed it was a 7/10.
As for poison ivy girl. I had no idea it was poison ivy until they mentioned it on the show.
Now I have nothing against the guy and he has more skill at that stuff than I do but he's in denial if he thinks his costumes are A+ material and that he can create his own company based off those 2 costumes. He's like the guy from last weeks episode of Face off that was sent home. His Makeup and design was terrible but honestly believed it was a 7/10.
As for poison ivy girl. I had no idea it was poison ivy until they mentioned it on the show.
dbalschi
Sr Member
He explains a bit about the week one costume here.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.683628504998536.1073741830.280113375350053&type=1
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.683628504998536.1073741830.280113375350053&type=1
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Yeah, I'm not defending him. I was just making the point that it wasn't too long ago we were all building costumes the way he's still doing it.
Scareb
Sr Member
I'll give him some credit for the enclave helmet as he did actually build it from pepekura but everything else on him was basically pieced together from other things. Again, how would he ever make it in the prop and costume business if he can't actually build his own stuff from scratch?
Volpin
Sr Member
Apologies aren't necessary, though I appreciate you saying so. Apparently I need to pay a bit more attention to the way my comments and posts portray my intent. I don't want to seem like someone who has their head inflated by some brush with e-fame. As for the NECA guns, I love the work those guys do and had a small hand in those pieces myself which led to the posts about them. Getting a gravity gun for a little under $200 when it took me near three months to make mine from scratch is a no-brainer.
In the end, there's probably subtext like that for all sorts of posts and comments. To be more on-topic, I see a lot of the HoC material the same way - snippets of conversation and ideas presented without proper context. It does make for more sensational viewing!
Dude, there is absolutely nothing wrong with giving a shoutout to your friends, if anything that shows a lack of ego and highlights the community aspect of the hobby.
And to people who say that a cosplaying in a revealing outfit has anything to do with porn, are you serious? What about fashion models, porn next for them too, seeing as they make their living selling photos in which they leverage their bodies? What about going to the beach in a bathing suit that covers about 20% of that poison ivy? You don't do that unless you can handle the attention either...
My take-away from the latest episode: seems Chloe and Jinyo are having so much fun that even the creative editing can't make them seem unhappy at any stage of the show. I suppose Chloe has enough media-training to temper her statements to camera, even when saying she was concerned about the competition she was smiling and laughing about it. In spite of having arguably the largest e-fame of the group, not to mention quite a shadow to grow up in, she seemed wholly unconcerned about how she came across.
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