Solo4114
Master Member
Solo4114 and BigDaddy,
The real question is "why are you two so wholly supportive of Tran portraying/ representing asian women so badly? "
No, the real question is "Why are you so hell-bent on defending trolls?" Because that's been pretty much all you've been doing above here.
Rose was a terrible stereotype of an awkward, lost soul, willing to bully if given the chance, yet you two are continuously trolling to defend this awful steteotype. It is shameful you claim to defend *her* but you are defending what she portrayed and re-inforced, an ugly stereotype. A terrible stereotype.
Rose was an insult to women, and to asians. You two are so proud of that? Finn was ready to abandon her!! Would she be more satisfying to you goofballs if he beat her? Got her pregnant, THEN LEFT? Because that is what you are eager to support.
The real question is "why do you feel such a miserable portrayal of asian women is acceptable?" Why are you insisting on defending such trash?
Women are wonderful, asian women, doubly so. Check YOUR standards, before you judge evrryone elses.
So troll all you want, we know better.
Dont accuse *others* of *your* prejudice, you wiill eventually get figured out.
I....don't think you actually know what "troll" means.
I'm not trolling you. I'm having a discussion with you and pointing out the implication of your words. Beyond that, I'm stating my own opinion. None of that is trolling. I haven't harassed you, I haven't called you names, I haven't slung insults at you. I've merely pointed out your words, and that they come across as you defending the kind of trolling that Kelly Marie Tran received.
If you don't think she deserved that treatment, cool. Say so.
If you think that the behavior of the trolls who harassed her was out of line, awesome. Say so.
This shouldn't be a difficult thing to do. One can still take issue with the character as written and criticized the behavior of the people who harassed her. It's not an all-or-nothing proposition. One can likewise take issue with aspects of her performance or with the direction she received, and still call out people who are behaving in a toxic manner.
You haven't done that. Instead, what you've written comes across as you seeking to turn this back on her, as if to imply that it's her fault for "baiting" her fans, for basking in the hype spotlight, and then having it blow up in her face. All of that suggests that you think she deserved the behavior she received.
When you seek to justify that behavior, to somehow excuse it or explain it away or otherwise fail to clearly condemn it, when you seek to change the subject to something like "Well, but what about how her character is an awful stereotype? And what about how you're trolling me?" all it does is come across as you being either unable or unwilling to condemn clearly ****ty behavior by a bunch of jackasses.
To be clear: there is nothing wrong with criticizing aspects of the film. Go ahead and criticize the Rose character as you've done above. Go ahead and criticize the plot holes you see. Go ahead and point out technical flaws or muddled character motivations. Talk about how time passes at an inconsistent rate, or how things change at an unbelievably fast pace if time is passing consistently. Those are all perfectly legitimate criticisms and discussions to have.
None of that justifies, explains, or excuses people doing stuff like harassing an actor online because they didn't like the movie, or modifying the wookiepedia page for the character to include a bunch of insults, including racist bull****. I see no reason whatsoever to defend that behavior, unless the person doing the defending is someone who actually supports that behavior.
So, like I said, if you instead condemn the behavior, cool. Just say so. And don't defend it or try to deflect criticisms of it. I get the sense that you actually don't support the behavior or think it's acceptable. If that's the case, then we're in agreement. You can still dislike the Rose character as much as you please.
As to your attempt to somehow turn this discussion into one about me being racist because I didn't hate the Rose character,
I never said she deserved such treatment. I said it comes with the territory, when you become famous. Deal with it, or step out of the limelight.
Which she did. That hasn't been my point, though.
Look, all of this got started on here because of a Mark Hamill tweet condemning the harassment she'd received. In the course of that discussion, there's been a bunch of stuff said that seems to try to justify or explain away the treatment she received. Not criticism in general, but the specific treatment she received that Hamill called out.
As I've said, it shouldn't be hard to condemn this crap. It should be really, really easy. You can still hate the character, hate the films, hate the direction of the franchise as a whole, etc., etc., etc. You can do so without being a racist or a sexist, too. And you can do so while simultaneously calling out people who were acting like a**holes. I mean, folks in this thread have been very fond of talking about how obvious it is that Hamill hates what was done to Luke, how he thinks TLJ is a travesty, and whatnot. So hey, if Mark Hamill -- hater of all things TLJ -- can find it in himself to unequivocally call out garbage behavior, so can anyone else here, and they can probably do so without getting into whataboutisms or deflections or attempts to somehow explain the behavior in any way that gives it an air of legitimacy.
It's not legitimate behavior. It's just people being a**holes, and they should be called out for it. Full stop.