Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release)
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That is very clever if it’s true!
Agreed. It’s the Star Wars Hype Effect. I believe the film will be Re-reviewed over time after the Hype wears off and it will be considered one of the worst in the series. Watch how many critics who reviewed it great the first time will do a 180 and say they hated the film.
I have had time to digest the film and the film fails because of the script/story entirely. There are some good moments but the VERY BAD, ie Frozen Space Leia; Grumpy Old Jedi; Finn and Poe doing nothing to advance the plot; FO cannot catch Resistance ships because they are too fast; and the entire story takes place over 18 Hours!!! WTF!!, outweigh the Good Ones, ie all the actors did a great job with what was written; and the Rey and Kylo scenes.
Maybe there is some redeeming scenes that were left on the cutting room floor which will lead to a director‘s cut but this is probably just wishful thinking.
I see in the Visual Dictionary that the Jedi Remote and Blast Shield Helmet were made for this film so there probably is a deleted scene of Luke in the Falcon thinking about Han and he finds these two props. Not sure this type of scene really helps the story anyway.
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Exactly how I feel...
Star Wars Hype Effect. But look at the audience reviews on RT: it’s at 56%. Not good.
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Greenie, I was told they believe BB8 says it to leia at the very beginning. And leia says something along the lines “I agree with the Droid”
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One hundred and ten percent key agree with you!!
The entire marketing campaign for this film was LUKE, LUKE and more LUKE. If LUKE’s story would have been strong, compelling and emotional then TLJ could have been a great film despite other shortcomings. But when Rian/Lucasfilm/Disney cannot even get that part of the story right then the film fails to deliver the ONE thing ADVERTISED to their paying customers/fans.
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The critic reviews were all good because Disney paid the reviewers off for those reviews. That is how this business works and why I never trust critic reviews. Just look at the RT viewer ratings to get a true score.
astroboy
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I have always said that star wars is very much like the wizard of Oz or LOTR, they are modern day fairy tales that will transcend the mediums they were created on. They will be remembered for being much more.
They also created world's that make us all dream of spending time there.
And with all of them, hearing about stories that expand the world sound like a great idea.
However, an idea for a sequel to the stories is something you should probably avoid. Dorothy never needs to go back to Oz, aragorn should never put the team back together for another adventure, and Luke Skywalker saved the Galaxy, while redeeming his father. They all lived happily ever after.
And while the idea of a prequel works very well in star wars (because the history of that adventure is so important) and possibly Oz, additional stories in those world's should probably involve other people in other times.
Because that's why we want more star wars, right? It's not about more Luke Skywalker as it is about more time for us to visit the Galaxy far, far away. And while George continued to give us more of those worlds with the prequels and the clone wars, this current version looks like the upside down world of George's. Stark and lonely
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They also created world's that make us all dream of spending time there.
And with all of them, hearing about stories that expand the world sound like a great idea.
However, an idea for a sequel to the stories is something you should probably avoid. Dorothy never needs to go back to Oz, aragorn should never put the team back together for another adventure, and Luke Skywalker saved the Galaxy, while redeeming his father. They all lived happily ever after.
And while the idea of a prequel works very well in star wars (because the history of that adventure is so important) and possibly Oz, additional stories in those world's should probably involve other people in other times.
Because that's why we want more star wars, right? It's not about more Luke Skywalker as it is about more time for us to visit the Galaxy far, far away. And while George continued to give us more of those worlds with the prequels and the clone wars, this current version looks like the upside down world of George's. Stark and lonely
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laszlo
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I think the main thing about Star Wars is being able to trust in the Story and to let yourself be taken away, to unexpected places sometimes - if you trust in the film/ writer/ director then all can be absorbed and accepted.
My trust in the story and the directors intentions was broken in the first few scenes, by Poe's extended prank call and Luke's Laurel and Hardy style sabre toss over his shoulder (also many other scenes where the tone was off to me).
So nothing else after this could be trusted, the spell, the illusion, the TRUST had been broken.
Shame.
My trust in the story and the directors intentions was broken in the first few scenes, by Poe's extended prank call and Luke's Laurel and Hardy style sabre toss over his shoulder (also many other scenes where the tone was off to me).
So nothing else after this could be trusted, the spell, the illusion, the TRUST had been broken.
Shame.
cayman shen
Master Member
I thought Luke's story WAS all those things. Sorry you didn't get what you were after.
Fitting that this movie features a salt planet.
RedVader1978
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I just dont think the movie is as some had called it a Turd. Also i think people are going a little bit crazy about the Rian Johnson bashing and threats. Not here but other places. In this movie it seemed more like a beginning in a way and we will see More Kylo Ren and Reys rivalry. Yes there are issues with characters and story but I think Last Jedi didnt kill Star Wars Luke Skywalker just messed up and died like Han as a character But Yoda showed us maybe Lukes part is far from over.
Can someone please share their thoughts on kylo killing snoke... I just can’t bring myself to believe snoke couldn’t see this coming..
Snoke having the power to bridge minds, fake force visions in Rey... and he can’t see or feel kylo using the force to turn the lightsaber and finish him off...
I’m so tired of hearing over confidence...
Anyone else have sun info to go by to help me get through this?
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Snoke having the power to bridge minds, fake force visions in Rey... and he can’t see or feel kylo using the force to turn the lightsaber and finish him off...
I’m so tired of hearing over confidence...
Anyone else have sun info to go by to help me get through this?
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ImperialShuttle
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The negative reviewers are correct. It was shockingly, jaw droppingly bad. It gives Phantom Menace a run for the money with PM winning the worst Star Wars movie award because of Jar Jar and young Ani. But this one may win most disappointing because of all the wasted story lines.
joshvanrad
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You can't say that the outrage is just because people didn't get the plot points or character moments they wanted. Just look at the movie from a technical perspective. There is so much that goes on that doesn't even make sense on a fundamental level. I get that you'll get that in essentially any movie, but this one was so over the top and so often that it's hard to look past that. If you have to think "wait, why are they doing that?" And the response is "Oh, there isn't a reason" that's sloppy film making... not just poor choices for plots and characters.
Fundamentally this is a terrible job of writing and editing on an epic scale.
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Fundamentally this is a terrible job of writing and editing on an epic scale.
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RedVader1978
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The Biggest mistake was ignoring the Legends Cannon and leaving Leia with one Son and Not giving Luke a Family to keep his character inspired. I dont have as many issues as i thought since seen it 2 times but Broken Luke weither he died by projection or saber it was facing Kylo Ren and Ben will again be responsible for killing more of his family. Seems just like Kylo Ren is gonna be a unstoppable monster without Snoke and he will have to confront his demons of guilt for Han and Luke. Even though i hated the Flashback storyline. I still had no big issues with Luke wanting to be left alone. Mark Hamill is in his sixtys so maybe a big battle just wasnt in the Cards.
doctorDWwho
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I just commented as to the redundancy of the storyline on instagram and was told, "We don't want your opinions here, so please go back to your mine craft let's-plays." I'm laughing at the stupidity of the comment (I've never played mine craft, much less watched the videos), but crying that this is what discussion has come to. If you criticise it, or acknowledge a discrepancy, you're branded a "hater", or a whiney fan boy stuck in his basement in front of his computer. It's ridiculous how many people are just mindless sheep
Poor story telling. Do not try to overthink it. LOL.
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RedVader1978
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My overall theory is that Rey is not alone she just has not spoken to whom i believe is guiding Rey Force wise. Its clear Yoda was helping Rey by concealing that she stole the books and just blew up the Tree so Luke wouldnt know. I think Obi Wan or Anakin is always with rey and maybe Snoke was having trouble Reading the both of them with Light Side force with Rey. Palpatine and Snoke had a simular ending plot only Vader died while Kylo Didnt Change and too Command. Snoke likely did not Read Kylo Has rule of Two Logic while Snoke does not.
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