Kathleen Kennedy to step down from Lucasfilm (after 2021)?

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Totally agree that they'll never be able to capture the magic of the OT. It gave us something none of us had ever seen prior to it, a mixture of visual effects wizardry and a compelling storyline about a hero's journey. What we saw in the PT movies is a ramping up of the visuals (better effects, awesome saber battles) but the storyline was seriously below par. Even worse with TFA and TLJ.

I suppose the same goes for the Jurassic Park franchise. When we first saw that brachiasaurus on screen, it was such an amazing and unforgettable experience. The sequels up to the latest Jurassic World just gave better visuals but the stories are pretty meh. They can never recapture that first dino moment in JP.

Nonetheless, I don't think a lot of us are asking Disney to come up with a Star Wars movie that allows us to recapture what we experienced with the OT. All we ask are good, well developed stories that allow us to immerse ourselves in that galaxy far, far away, instead of reminding us of the day to day social issues we experience here on Earth.
 
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It's not a matter of the magic of the first time seeing SW, it's a matter of making the same kind of film, following the hero's journey, without political ideologies running rampant, just a good movie that will withstand the test of time. I don't see them doing that anymore. It's all something for a quick buck and a franchise, not that will still be talked about in 50 years.
 
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If they did that, which they did with TFA, everyone will just say it's the same movie.

Cuz TFA is straight up the hero's journey.
 
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If they did that, which they did with TFA, everyone will just say it's the same movie.

Cuz TFA is straight up the hero's journey.

But it's the SAME exact hero's journey!

Instead of an orphaned boy on a sandy planet who finds a droid with vital information to the rebellion, then meets up with an old man who tells him about the Force and takes him on an adventure on the MILLENNIUM FALCON, and then watches that old man get killed by an intimate relation of his, who's wearing a black helmet and black suit and cape, by a red light saber......it's a GIRL this time! Throw in another DEATH STAR (only bigger), another trench run, and OMF GOD, it's the same ****ing movie!!!!! :lol

That is NOT what Cephus and the rest of are longing for. And you oughta know better.

The Wook
 
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Yup. That's the hero's journey. To a fault.

Don't request the hero's journey then.


Here's another Star Wars hero's journey movie.


Take a kid who's not a hero... give him or her a hard life.

Have an event happen that calls him or her to adventure... throw in a guide... have them meet friends.

give them a false victory, so the baddies can come back stronger, and have hero lose it all, including the mentor.

have the hero come back from the fall and blow up the bad guy.


Put any planet any kid any color with any sort of group, but make them a jedi in training and everyone will say "SAME STUPID STORY!"


Oh... and this was pretty much Solo.. but where people complained is where it fell off the journey.

People just want the original movie. that's it.

Stray from it. Freak out.

Get to close. Freak out.


Let's be real here... In your entire life you could never watch every movie.

As a society we should call it quits, open the film library for all years, and just watch what's been already made. All stories have been told. Everyone just complains.

BTW... I feel the same about porn.
 
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If they did that, which they did with TFA, everyone will just say it's the same movie.

Cuz TFA is straight up the hero's journey.

It IS the same movie. TFA copied Star Wars. TLJ copied Empire. They ripped off the stories blatantly. It isn't the hero's journey, it's a copy beat for beat.
 
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The fact you think JJ Abrams, of all people, is lazy, is just further proof your FilmIQ is in the toilet.

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It IS the same movie. TFA copied Star Wars. TLJ copied Empire. They ripped off the stories blatantly. It isn't the hero's journey, it's a copy beat for beat.


Well I got news for you....

Your Lucas is a hack. He ripped off EVERYONE. You think he made up the hero's journey?
 
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It IS the same movie. TFA copied Star Wars. TLJ copied Empire. They ripped off the stories blatantly. It isn't the hero's journey, it's a copy beat for beat.
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Your Lucas is a hack. He ripped off EVERYONE. You think he made up the hero's journey?

I think to make a really good NEW Star Wars movie they key isn't to look at what Star Wars has done already, but to go back and look at all the things that influenced Lucas-- Samurai films, Dune, Arthurian legends, Flash Gordon-- look at those things, find common tropes between them, develop that into a story by way of mythic building blocks, then set it in the SW universe.
 
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I think to make a really good NEW Star Wars movie they key isn't to look at what Star Wars has done already, but to go back and look at all the things that influenced Lucas-- Samurai films, Dune, Arthurian legends, Flash Gordon-- look at those things, find common tropes between them, develop that into a story by way of mythic building blocks, then set it in the SW universe.


I think TLJ went for that, but had bad editing and a few poor jokes to blame (MY OPINION Y'ALL - CHILL OUT)


I think my number one problem with that movie is the edit of it.


But even mentioning that is a waste of time.


What they needed to do was have luke come back like it's the second coming of *****, all in white, snap his Jedi fingers and have half the first order disappear.

"Mr. Snoke... I don't feel so... (you get the meme)"

Then everyone would climax at once in the theater and Star Wars would be SAVED!


But have Luke as a flawed and beaten down character. Nope.



DISNEY'S HEAD ON A PLATTER!


(Luke was my fave part after Kylo/Rey)
 
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Then everyone would climax at once in the theater and Star Wars would be SAVED!

I think you grossly underestimate what it would take for an audience to think Disney Star Wars is saved.
 
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As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't need saving.

I haven't cared for the side projects, but I don't care about a lot of movies coming out these days... But I liked TFA and TLJ... Disney's gonna keep making them, and if the whiners drop off and stop following, GREAT!

I've been working for 6 straight months editing a movie I don't care for at all. It's not even trying to do anything different. It's following the playbook exactly. It's how studios guarantee their investment.

That's the problem with these big movies... the second you jump off the "blockbuster movie" script, people get mad. So you write a script, make a rough cut, screen it, and no matter how original you tried to be, the notes come back and the movie is repacked to the way the audience wants it... which is same old, same old.


TLJ I had NO idea where it was going. I wrote a prediction based off trailers and my knowledge of how big studio movies go, and I bet my outline would have been better received than the actual final product, cuz I wrote it assuming the studio would make sure it didn't go down a weird path.

I would have liked to see my version, but I would have come out saying "yep... that's what I figured... same old..."

At least I came out of TLJ thinking holy ****... what was that? Oh man they really just "broke the Star Wars wheel"... I have no idea where this is going now.

GOOD.


I wasn't even sure I liked it the first time I saw it. I knew I didn't hate it. I was just shocked it was so completely different than I thought (and I wasn't thinking it would be ESB)
 
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Unfortunately JJ Abrams probably said the same thing behind closed doors about where this is going now.
 
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I think to make a really good NEW Star Wars movie they key isn't to look at what Star Wars has done already, but to go back and look at all the things that influenced Lucas-- Samurai films, Dune, Arthurian legends, Flash Gordon-- look at those things, find common tropes between them, develop that into a story by way of mythic building blocks, then set it in the SW universe.
That's true. One example that comes to mind is the character of Jack Sparrow. In the first movie he was written as a sassy-smartass pirate, who's kinda half drunk, but really is a daredevil and is always 2-3 steps ahead of everyone.
In every sequel he's written as "Captain Jack Sparrow". Oh, he did that in the first movie, so we need to put that in, and that as well, and amplify this as well and that automatically limits the possibilities, motivations, reactions.


That's the problem with these big movies... the second you jump off the "blockbuster movie" script, people get mad. So you write a script, make a rough cut, screen it, and no matter how original you tried to be, the notes come back and the movie is repacked to the way the audience wants it... which is same old, same old.
No argument there at least from a production point of view. It's really sad that films like Annihilation don't get wide release because "it would be too complicated for audiences". I still kinda praise Shape of Water even though it failed to captivate me like Pan's Labyrinth did and had many flaws but at least it had character, a single vision behind it, not a sequel/prequel/franchise.

TLJ I had NO idea where it was going. I wrote a prediction based off trailers and my knowledge of how big studio movies go, and I bet my outline would have been better received than the actual final product, cuz I wrote it assuming the studio would make sure it didn't go down a weird path.

I would have liked to see my version, but I would have come out saying "yep... that's what I figured... same old..."

At least I came out of TLJ thinking holy ****... what was that? Oh man they really just "broke the Star Wars wheel"... I have no idea where this is going now.

GOOD.


I wasn't even sure I liked it the first time I saw it. I knew I didn't hate it. I was just shocked it was so completely different than I thought (and I wasn't thinking it would be ESB)

Okay here is where I do argue. The thing for me is that defying expectations itself is easy. You just check what's the most expected to happen and you do something else. Defying expectations in a satisfactory way is much much more difficult. I'm not sure TLJ really needed to defy and shock really. There were lot of leads and "mystery boxes" in TFA that could have been followed up and expanded on while avoiding the pitfalls of copying ESB/ROTJ.
In reality where does TLJ defy expectations really? Regarding Snoke and Rey, that's about it. And maybe partially Luke. I never expected him to be either a jovial old master like Obi-Wan, nor a flipping swordmaster prequel-style action hero anyway. Apart from Snoke and Rey really the movie is same old same old: big bad Empire lead by a guy in black vs tiny Rebel force helped by a young Jedi. Disclaimer though, I never cared for any of the myriad fan speculations or Reylo or whatnot...but just following the plot of the movie the turning point for me was after Snoke died. That was the point where it could have been taken to an exciting new direction. Rey and Ren team up and the movie ends. Or they switch places, Ren returns to the light but stays tormented by the past while Rey tastes power and the darkness and leaves to take over the FO. But nope, back to square one and here's an extra 30 minutes of stuff happening.
 
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Although I loved TFA & could see & understand why they touched on many Original Trilogy moments & themes, looking back now at both films in the ST, you can see they both replay classic moments,...TLJ twists them,...but both films really are like a remix of your favourite bits

ESB was really the only film to expand & go forward,....everything else re-uses (I hate to say it ....to a lesser degree, The Prequels)

J
 
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I think to make a really good NEW Star Wars movie they key isn't to look at what Star Wars has done already, but to go back and look at all the things that influenced Lucas-- Samurai films, Dune, Arthurian legends, Flash Gordon-- look at those things, find common tropes between them, develop that into a story by way of mythic building blocks, then set it in the SW universe.

Star Wars is about epic good vs evil, not incompetent armies making arms dealers rich. Take away the epic and and the movies become like some of the Star Trek films, what-could-have-been just another big budget tv show. A lot harder for Disney to sell toys and merch when the movie was pretty, but didn't leave you energized

Maybe a Solar System Killer! Never been done before!
 
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