jusdrewit
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Eloquently spoken, and I couldn't agree more.
Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release)
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Eloquently spoken, and I couldn't agree more.
JJ and Kasdan both have said one of the reasons they kept Luke out of the action in TFA was because every time he showed up in their story he eclipsed the new characters and made them irrelevant. Rian was tasked to feature Luke without taking the focus of Rey, Kylo, first and foremost and then the supporting characters like Poe and Fin. If Luke is a-ok just chilling on Ach-to reading some books and Rey shows up and asks him to rejoin the fight you have two narrative choices. He says "Sure, let's go waste some F.O. fools!" or "**** off". I think he did an excellent job building Luke's pathos, I FELT for the man. The writing and the acting sold it. Luke contemplated killing his nephew, Luke failed Ben and his sister. He was DEVASTATED. And his back and forth with Rey informed that but also you could see she was slowly chipping away at him. But she could never turn him back to the fight and she leaves. Only Yoda could get Luke's head back on straight and that's what he did.
PantheraGem
Sr Member
It looks like he did anyway.
Right, theres no good way Luke could come back to the Resistance and NOT end the story. He fights Kylo and has to win because HE'S LUKE, and the story is over. Or he fights Kylo and loses, in which case people would complain about the same thing, "Luke should have won". What they did allowed Luke to"come back" but not have to kill Kylo OR lose to him.
Toadmeister
Sr Member
As I see it, there was no single good way to kill off Luke and make everyone happy. Rian Johnson took a risk that entertained and surprised me with Luke's journey. I rather liked it
I'm an old school fan who saw SW when it was released in 1977. I was just a young kid of 4 and idolized Luke at the time.
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And here is what Rian said about the broom boy at the end. I found that coda so moving, so filled with hope and promise, and a validation of Luke's legacy.
"To me, it shows that the act Luke Skywalker did, of deciding to take on this mantle of ‘the legend,’ after he had decided the galaxy was better off with, had farther reaching consequences than saving 20 people in a cave."
"To me, it shows that the act Luke Skywalker did, of deciding to take on this mantle of ‘the legend,’ after he had decided the galaxy was better off with, had farther reaching consequences than saving 20 people in a cave."
robn1
Master Member
Well, JJ dumped on the table set by Lucas, so...
It is the penultimate film of this trilogy, being the second of three parts.
Toadmeister
Sr Member
I too liked broom boy, a nice storytelling moment. Minor criticism is that felt very Disney instead of SW. I half expected him to jump on the broom and ride with some magic stars in his exhaust trail....
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DarthLee
Sr Member
Then maybe he should have written better "new" characters...
All the promotions, advertisement, trailers and the end of TFA were about Lukes return...thats why alot of us OT fans went see it. take away the focus??
What would have been the problem with creating them as well as Han and Chewy?... or 3PO and R2
Or... "I have been here.. waiting for another to come and join me in resurrecting good.... as evil is now again ruling the galaxy"... like Yoda on Degobah
I didnt ...I thought.."your Luke,,,what the hell happend to you?"
Obiwan thought the same thing with Anakin....that didnt stop him....
Kind of like Obiwan convincing Yoda to train Luke... was waiting for him to say "your too old"
And I think thats the problem alot of us have with Lukes story....
I respect your position..respect your opinion on the "story".. but I formally disagree
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Obiwan had a better death in ANH...
....although we still dont know if Luke is dead.....
PantheraGem
Sr Member
Homeboy states my feelings (and Probably feelings of others) much better than I can write them, as I'm rather dim.
https://youtu.be/D81f1M7IwSg
Though it will change no minds. Nothing will, which is why all the arguing is fun for entertainment. And that's ok.
https://youtu.be/D81f1M7IwSg
Though it will change no minds. Nothing will, which is why all the arguing is fun for entertainment. And that's ok.
PantheraGem
Sr Member
JJ/KK/LFL probably are deciding if Luke is actually dead as you write this.
DarthLee
Sr Member
astroboy
Master Member
You know, it was one thing to see his cloak fall...
.....but how come his bionic hand wasn't left?
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Mr Webber
Master Member
The toy design department are in charge of that decision, they are currently on vacation in the Bahamas and could not be reached for comment.
Rian discusses his decision on Rey's parentage. And I thought when Rey says to Kylo her parents were nobody and her tears come was incredibly moving.
http://www.slashfilm.com/reys-parents-rian-johnson/
http://www.slashfilm.com/reys-parents-rian-johnson/
cboath
Master Member
That and ole george had the best intentions of showing Anakins fall to the dark side too. That didn't work out very well either...
What we're left with is...
Han, broken shell of his form self. Character arc of the OT undone. Killed.
Luke, broken shell of himself, brought to the edge of murder (of his nephew no less), quits on the galaxy...killed.
Leia...well, failed marriage, and before they could ruin the character, died in real life.
I'll never believe there wasn't a way to write it so Luke wasn't a former shell of himself who wanted to die.
You'd have thought that after she died that maybe, you tweak TLJ a bit so she dies, work in the scenes a bit differently and luke lives so there's a presence in IX....but we'll just wipe them out all at once.
Hell, he wrote it into the damn dialog.
"Do whatever you have to do to leave the past in the past. KILL IT if you have to.".
Kylo to Rey, Rian to the fans.
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DarthLee
Sr Member
Kilo and Rey are brother and sister. like Luke and Leia... why think otherwise? Because Kilo said so.. trying to beat Rey down to make an "I am your only supporter" line?
Its still a story of the Skywalker bloodline (I know most wont accept)...even if its Disney... just this time is brother against sister..same as if Luke was Dark and Leia was Light.
Its still a story of the Skywalker bloodline (I know most wont accept)...even if its Disney... just this time is brother against sister..same as if Luke was Dark and Leia was Light.
Docbudo
Well-Known Member
I thought the same thing. Watched it again and Im still pissed off.
Interesting theory: Did Mark know they were killing off Luke before the premiere?:
https://youtu.be/FntZKz9fXp8?t=177
Look at his face. He looks like he is in shock after the premiere.
https://youtu.be/FntZKz9fXp8?t=177
Look at his face. He looks like he is in shock after the premiere.
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