Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Pre-release)
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII (Pre-release)
Keep in mind this is all based on rumors. MakingStarWars.net and StarWarsUnderworld.com both ran stories about this back last year and in the largest spoiler story synopsis this was included. The saber was supposedly the Graflex.
Keep in mind this is all based on rumors. MakingStarWars.net and StarWarsUnderworld.com both ran stories about this back last year and in the largest spoiler story synopsis this was included. The saber was supposedly the Graflex.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII (Pre-release)
doesnt it almost prove the scene existed though now with this prototype dead padawan saber?!
doesnt it almost prove the scene existed though now with this prototype dead padawan saber?!
Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII (Pre-release)
That it was planned, no question. The context of everything is what isn't known for sure.
That it was planned, no question. The context of everything is what isn't known for sure.
Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII (Pre-release)
Similar to TFA Lupita is last to film...
http://www.slashfilm.com/lupita-nyongo-episode-8/
Similar to TFA Lupita is last to film...
http://www.slashfilm.com/lupita-nyongo-episode-8/
Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII (Pre-release)
Adam Driver talks a bit about VIII...
http://makingstarwars.net/2016/09/adam-driver-talks-star-wars-episode-viii/
Adam Driver talks a bit about VIII...
http://makingstarwars.net/2016/09/adam-driver-talks-star-wars-episode-viii/
Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII (Pre-release)
you think maybe because she's already CG they dont need her physically on set anymore? they could throw anything in as a reference and just replace that person with CG, i wonder if she was only over there for voice recording? ...idk though i would figure that would all be done here... idk
you think maybe because she's already CG they dont need her physically on set anymore? they could throw anything in as a reference and just replace that person with CG, i wonder if she was only over there for voice recording? ...idk though i would figure that would all be done here... idk
robn1
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There's more to Lupita's role than just her voice. Maz was created using motion capture, her movements and facial expressions are derived from Lupita's own physical movements. It allows an actor to be more than just a voice over, they actually "perform" the character.
There's more to Lupita's role than just her voice. Maz was created using motion capture, her movements and facial expressions are derived from Lupita's own physical movements. It allows an actor to be more than just a voice over, they actually "perform" the character.
Jaitea
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Yep, things have moved on a lot since Jar Jar (thank goodness)
J
Yep, things have moved on a lot since Jar Jar (thank goodness)
J
robn1
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The motion is more realistic, but CGI still looks like cartoons to me.
The motion is more realistic, but CGI still looks like cartoons to me.
joshvanrad
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I don't think CGI will ever truly capture the way natural light works and the way shadows are cast. They can get it fairly close, but at the end of the day CGI still looks a bit too digital.
I don't think CGI will ever truly capture the way natural light works and the way shadows are cast. They can get it fairly close, but at the end of the day CGI still looks a bit too digital.
Jaitea
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BUT.....it's the best we can get at the minute.....it's because it can't be done any better way,....next best would be animatronics, but you would not get the complexity of facial expression
The Mas character will always look fake to some degree because nothing like her exists in the real world,.....when you see something of the real world done well in CG, like Michael Douglas in Ant Man & Robert Downey in Civil War 'de-aged' you can appreciate character CG a bit more
J
BUT.....it's the best we can get at the minute.....it's because it can't be done any better way,....next best would be animatronics, but you would not get the complexity of facial expression
The Mas character will always look fake to some degree because nothing like her exists in the real world,.....when you see something of the real world done well in CG, like Michael Douglas in Ant Man & Robert Downey in Civil War 'de-aged' you can appreciate character CG a bit more
J
Nostalgic
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Yeah Downey in cival war was jaw dropping to watch. I wonder how much of the budget went just on that. I'm waiting for the day they make a movie with an old favorite star and they motion capture them for the entirety and make them look as if they were in their prime. Imagine Michael J Fox and Christopher Lloyd motion captured for a bttf 4 \m/ aging them to an 89 90 look... its come along way, look at arnie cg in salvation and then in the last instalment. Imagine they motion captured instead of plane cgi. Wouldn't of helped the films but it would of been great to see.
It will happen one day. Just have to wait for the budgets to allow it and for a director with the b@lls to tackle the whole project..
Yeah Downey in cival war was jaw dropping to watch. I wonder how much of the budget went just on that. I'm waiting for the day they make a movie with an old favorite star and they motion capture them for the entirety and make them look as if they were in their prime. Imagine Michael J Fox and Christopher Lloyd motion captured for a bttf 4 \m/ aging them to an 89 90 look... its come along way, look at arnie cg in salvation and then in the last instalment. Imagine they motion captured instead of plane cgi. Wouldn't of helped the films but it would of been great to see.
It will happen one day. Just have to wait for the budgets to allow it and for a director with the b@lls to tackle the whole project..
Wolfsburg
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Some CG is undoubtedly impressive (like the RDJ example which even knowing it is fakery, I still can't find fault with it) however, I thought Maz was a disappointment and really kinda stood out like a sore thumb. I tend to think a part of it was because most if not all of the creatures in the bar were done practically and she didn't blend in with them at all. I think I remember reading that the original plan was to make Maz an animatronic puppet but JJ took so long trying to pin down her look, they didn't have time to get a worthwhile puppet done in time for shooting and so just did the mocap CG thing instead. A shame. Snoke was underwhelming, especially given the secrecy around him, and I'm still not sure why he couldn't have been just as well served being played by a guy in makeup and prosthetics, maybe with some CG augmentation if need be (like Unkar Plutt). Nothing about him warranted being a mocap CG character except his mildly exaggerated gaunt form.
Some CG is undoubtedly impressive (like the RDJ example which even knowing it is fakery, I still can't find fault with it) however, I thought Maz was a disappointment and really kinda stood out like a sore thumb. I tend to think a part of it was because most if not all of the creatures in the bar were done practically and she didn't blend in with them at all. I think I remember reading that the original plan was to make Maz an animatronic puppet but JJ took so long trying to pin down her look, they didn't have time to get a worthwhile puppet done in time for shooting and so just did the mocap CG thing instead. A shame. Snoke was underwhelming, especially given the secrecy around him, and I'm still not sure why he couldn't have been just as well served being played by a guy in makeup and prosthetics, maybe with some CG augmentation if need be (like Unkar Plutt). Nothing about him warranted being a mocap CG character except his mildly exaggerated gaunt form.
trymypatience
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I hear what your saying buy think it would have been a better homage to the original movies if she had been an puppet/animatronic. Yoda is still one of the best non human characters of all time and I think we can all agree he was ruined when they went CG with him. There's just no beating something that is really there for me. Bring on the puppets!!!
I hear what your saying buy think it would have been a better homage to the original movies if she had been an puppet/animatronic. Yoda is still one of the best non human characters of all time and I think we can all agree he was ruined when they went CG with him. There's just no beating something that is really there for me. Bring on the puppets!!!
Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII (Pre-release)
Does that included that THING they used in The Phantom Menace? :lol
Does that included that THING they used in The Phantom Menace? :lol
Jaitea
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Yes I agree about Yoda, & although I love the character & prefer the puppet in ESB & ROtJ, but it is a obviously a puppet, you watch him and are in awe of the skills & talent of puppet makers & operators, incredible work
But that ship has sailed, I don't think we will ever see a puppet like that in any future Star Wars films without CG help, each Star Wars film shows the growth and development of technology, pushing the boundaries of the what can be done
When the original King Kong film was released in 1933, the stop motion puppet was ground breaking, and the film still rates at 98% on Rotten Tomatoes, but that style of stop motion will never be used again in that genre of film
Even Ardman Animations use CG to fix & tweak their stop motion films
J
Yes I agree about Yoda, & although I love the character & prefer the puppet in ESB & ROtJ, but it is a obviously a puppet, you watch him and are in awe of the skills & talent of puppet makers & operators, incredible work
But that ship has sailed, I don't think we will ever see a puppet like that in any future Star Wars films without CG help, each Star Wars film shows the growth and development of technology, pushing the boundaries of the what can be done
When the original King Kong film was released in 1933, the stop motion puppet was ground breaking, and the film still rates at 98% on Rotten Tomatoes, but that style of stop motion will never be used again in that genre of film
Even Ardman Animations use CG to fix & tweak their stop motion films
J
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