Keycube
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I can't stop laughing at this, at least partly for all the wrong reasons. :lol
Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Pre-release)
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I can't stop laughing at this, at least partly for all the wrong reasons. :lol
cboath
Master Member
Filming was done on the OT 3 years apart, Filming on 7 and 8 were 2 years or less. Plus, there was a singular choice made with 8 to pick up where 7 left off. It's not indicative of anything at this point.
If they started with the PT, people could toss out similar stuff about the OT saying 'what? only 2-3 years between 4-5? There was 10ish between 1 and 2, what's up with that??'
If 9 picks up with the falcon leaving Crait, then you've maybe got a point. Until then, not so much. This, though, is part of the problem with no defined storyline and letting people do WTF they want.
They need to pick up at a later time as right now the Rebel fleet.....is a single ship filled with a bunch of borings.
MrSouthpaw
Sr Member
JJ is a lazy hack writer. They'll just have some random group show up out of nowhere and reinforce the rebellion.
PantheraGem
Sr Member
Right?! Those stories make a lot more sense.
ANH was a story told a hundred times before. But it was told well, edited well and captured the viewers imagination enough that people saw it 5-6 times.
I'm really tired of this argument. New and Different isn't enough. It also has to be GOOD. New and Different doesn't make it good all by themselves.
Mr Webber
Master Member
I`m not sure what Star Wars threads you are reading but if you check out the ones here you will find that the detractors main concern is that the new stuff is just pale and scuffed remakes of the old stuff that are not done half as well and bring nothing new to the table of any lasting worth at all.
I'm just appalled at bad writing more than anything else, whether it's Star Wars or any film.
If a series has certain established boundaries or rules, you can change some things but change them too much and your story doesn't fit right with what has already been established and it becomes something else entirely. It's such a fine line and honestly as vast as Star Wars seems I think telling stories in that universe is a LOT more limited than most people think.
I know Rian Johnson, like Dave Filoni, comes up with these elaborate explanations based on ancillary materials (books, cartoons, comics) to justify certain story elements and to me it just further illuminates how bad the scripts really are. Ancillary material is there to enhance what is IN the script in the first place. It should be secondary to the movie, not the other way around.
All the hate for the direction the series is going I think comes more from the fact that many of us feel like we are being told that if we don't like the new films that we are somehow not open to new ideas and that's simply not true. My personal distaste again comes from having a basic understanding of story structure and creative writing when it's clear that many scripts lack that knowledge. Rather than take the time and write several drafts to make the story stronger, they begin filming before they even finish writing and it most certainly shows. I'm no expert on the matter and neither are most audiences but even subconsciously people recognize when something is off in a movie.
If a series has certain established boundaries or rules, you can change some things but change them too much and your story doesn't fit right with what has already been established and it becomes something else entirely. It's such a fine line and honestly as vast as Star Wars seems I think telling stories in that universe is a LOT more limited than most people think.
I know Rian Johnson, like Dave Filoni, comes up with these elaborate explanations based on ancillary materials (books, cartoons, comics) to justify certain story elements and to me it just further illuminates how bad the scripts really are. Ancillary material is there to enhance what is IN the script in the first place. It should be secondary to the movie, not the other way around.
All the hate for the direction the series is going I think comes more from the fact that many of us feel like we are being told that if we don't like the new films that we are somehow not open to new ideas and that's simply not true. My personal distaste again comes from having a basic understanding of story structure and creative writing when it's clear that many scripts lack that knowledge. Rather than take the time and write several drafts to make the story stronger, they begin filming before they even finish writing and it most certainly shows. I'm no expert on the matter and neither are most audiences but even subconsciously people recognize when something is off in a movie.
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jhazard
Sr Member
The new things don't have to "be like" the old things, but they should respect the spirit. TLJ does not.
If one is going to suggest to let the past die (how effing ridiculous) at least put forth material sufficient enough to allow the past to fade away.
As far as trapper keeper stories are concerned, I'm confident that's where Johnson's story came from. No real fan would do what he did. In fact, I'd put money on the idea that he had little to do with script.
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That's part of the problem with these new films too. They are made by fans. So they are literally fan films. Just like Communism, sure in THEORY it sounds great, everybody is equal, but in REALITY it's far from that.
What is so apparent is a lack of vision for what this new trilogy is supposed to be. To have vision, we need a visionary. Not a business man, or woman. A visionary film maker who wants to tell a three act story because the trilogy structure is what was there from the beginning.
The Stand Alones: Fill in the blank movies.
The Prequels: The Rise and Fall of Anakin Skywalker (It may not have been successful all the time, but I think we can all agree that this vision was clear.)
The Originals: The Rise and Triumph of Luke Skywalker (and redemption of Anakin Skywalker)
The Sequels: ?? Not a clue. Kill the Legacy Characters off to make way for new characters we know next to nothing about and thus don't truly care about? To do what? Undo everything we'd seen our beloved heroes fight and risk their lives defending only to have it all turn to ****? What a downer that has been.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ1oM_EdVpQ
What is so apparent is a lack of vision for what this new trilogy is supposed to be. To have vision, we need a visionary. Not a business man, or woman. A visionary film maker who wants to tell a three act story because the trilogy structure is what was there from the beginning.
The Stand Alones: Fill in the blank movies.
The Prequels: The Rise and Fall of Anakin Skywalker (It may not have been successful all the time, but I think we can all agree that this vision was clear.)
The Originals: The Rise and Triumph of Luke Skywalker (and redemption of Anakin Skywalker)
The Sequels: ?? Not a clue. Kill the Legacy Characters off to make way for new characters we know next to nothing about and thus don't truly care about? To do what? Undo everything we'd seen our beloved heroes fight and risk their lives defending only to have it all turn to ****? What a downer that has been.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ1oM_EdVpQ
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MrSouthpaw
Sr Member
You mean like how a lot of fans complain that TFA is a rip of ANH and TLJ a rip of ESB/ROTJ and wish they were way different?
You mean like how a lot of fans want the SE restored to the OOT?
Oh, wait...those things are the opposite........:rolleyes
gedmac66
Sr Member
@MrSouthpaw regarding your post #725 -
I don’t mind JJ , liking some of his previous work .
He’d laid down the ground work for this trilogy in VII , which then got ‘ **** kicked ‘ out of the sandbox ... just saying ... I don’t envy him right now .
I don’t mind JJ , liking some of his previous work .
He’d laid down the ground work for this trilogy in VII , which then got ‘ **** kicked ‘ out of the sandbox ... just saying ... I don’t envy him right now .
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MrSouthpaw
Sr Member
I wouldn't shed a tear for JJ. He's a far more competent businessman than he is a writer. He's making millions from these SW movies.
Setup up a thousand questions, don't answer any of them. That's how JJ lays down groundwork. That's why most of what he does ends up an incoherent mess, like Lost. What's it about? You'll get a dozen answers from a dozen people.
Tan Djarka
Sr Member
Wait. Are you saying Poe and Finn actually died in the TIE crash and...?
annanake
Sr Member
Opening shot in IX .
Pretty sure this is actually true so I'll spoiler tag it for the faint hearted !
Pretty sure this is actually true so I'll spoiler tag it for the faint hearted !
Obligatory Open shot of space the falcon slowly flying in to frame .
We close in on the ship, camera swoops through the front window down the corridor and into a steem filled room .
Out of a shower steps Bobby Ewing ......Er I mean ....
Luke Skywalker !
It was a dream !
It was all just a dream !
We find out Rey pissed of Chewy by thinking she was the new captian of the Falcon.
Chewbacca well he did not like that so he kind of "accidentally" ripped both her arms off !
She found out You really should let wookies win !!!!! especially ones you have only known for a few days !
Its all just been a fever dream Of Rey's while she healed in a Bacta tank !
We close in on the ship, camera swoops through the front window down the corridor and into a steem filled room .
Out of a shower steps Bobby Ewing ......Er I mean ....
Luke Skywalker !
It was a dream !
It was all just a dream !
We find out Rey pissed of Chewy by thinking she was the new captian of the Falcon.
Chewbacca well he did not like that so he kind of "accidentally" ripped both her arms off !
She found out You really should let wookies win !!!!! especially ones you have only known for a few days !
Its all just been a fever dream Of Rey's while she healed in a Bacta tank !
MrSouthpaw
Sr Member
Yes and no and maybe?.....
Poe actually did die originally. But he tested really well so they wrote him back in.
JJ likes his "Mystery box" concept. He's totally into what Lindelof does setting up mysteries for later...even if they never get solved. Also, he's not above lazy conveniences like magic blood, transwarp beaming, or a protagonist that instantly can use any force power even if they never heard of or seen it before.
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