Fair enough, but when my son dropped me off, after our first viewing, I said "See you around, kid" before I closed the truck door, & we both just grinned.
He chose to do that in the course of the mission. He wasn't 'ordered' to. He made a decision.Didnt that droid in R1, who could also pilot a ship to and in hyperdrive also sacrifice himself for his "freinds"? Or was he programmed to do that?
Yes, but Han saying it to Luke didn't mean anything to us. Luke saying it to Kylo did. It had weight, meaning, & probably a far reaching impact.Wasnt that said in OT...
Are we not trying to get out of OT quotes? and go to what the "new" stuff is?
Yes, but Han saying it to Luke didn't mean anything to us. Luke saying it to Kylo did. It had weight, meaning, & probably a far reaching impact.
Wait... what???, seriously...
I meant originally, it was just a goodbye. In TLJ, it was almost a threat. The situation changed the meaning. That's what I was referring to.
We both loved that line in the film, so I quoted it from that context.
Ah, gotcha.Ok, I can see it that way.. but in the OT, it was a sad moment, (Han leaving?.. noooo)...But in TLJ, the set up was just not as good , to be a meaningful moment.
I will say this, , There were a lot of meaningful moment in TLJ... but just like a joke, it is only as good as the set up. And its the "set up" that failed. In the scenes... in the jokes... and in the, supposed to be, serious parts...
We have a story arc for Poe that he needs to learn to be the leader. And at the end of that arc Holdo turns out to be the leader to show example. Now Holdo has just took the reins after a big defeat, the actual leader of the Resistance is between life and death, troops decimated, they’re being chased. I think it’s a really obvious thing to ask in this situation from the new leader what the plan is. And the leader who is supposed to be the example figure just says a commonplace saying from one of those Facebook daily wisdom pages and that’s it whereas they actually do have a plan. Does that not sound contradictory to the message of the story about leadership? The frustrating thing is that with just a tiny effort in screenwriting this could have been avoided, like she does tell and Poe says “it’s b*llocks, I have to figure something out myself”. Bang, there’s your story arc.
And then he just dies.
This from a guy crying about people quoting him? Seriously - dude, get a grip. Your post completely ignores the ideas and logic set in other posts and in Star Wars in general. No where did I - or anyone - infer the above. But, based on your posts - it's to be expected.So you would sacrifice a major leader of a crumbling resistance over a droid.....wow.
No need for another movie...The First Order wins.
Somebody PLEASE change the topic.:lol
Sure - cause we've seen the Falcon pilot itself so many times. :wackoThe ship itself?
Sure - cause we've seen the Falcon pilot itself so many times. :wackoThe ship itself?
This from a guy crying about people quoting him? Seriously - dude, get a grip. Your post completely ignores the ideas and logic set in other posts and in Star Wars in general. No where did I - or anyone - infer the above. But, based on your posts - it's to be expected.
Oh, and I did so without whining like a bitch that some - OMG - quoted my post.
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Sure - cause we've seen the Falcon pilot itself so many times. :wacko
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Sure - cause we've seen the Falcon pilot itself so many times. :wacko
So, realized something this viewing, dont know if it has been mentioned before, and it more so explains why luke died. During the first or second force-facetime between Rey and Kylo, he says something along the lines of "why is the force connecting us? I know you arent doing this, the effort would kill you" so, that is infering that projecting an image of oneself through the force takes so much sheer strength and effort that it may kill you. So Luke, without a way to get to Crait, did the only thing he could, with the knowledge that it would kill him.
Likewise, whether or not one agrees with the creative decision to have Luke force-project himself onto Crait, the fact that he does it, actually solidifies the fact that Luke has re-connected to the force and is still one of its most powerful wielders. Kylo says to Rey: "you can't be doing this, the effort would kill you." Luke one-ups Kylo on what he (Kylo) thinks are the limits of force abilities. That's why Kylo doesn't realize Luke isn't there...he can't even comprehend Luke having the ability to do that in the first place.
Silly like Rose saving Finn in the name of love? If Poe said “I won’t be running away from them I’m gonna find a way to fight back now” it would have fitted in perfectly in their arc of “stay cool and look at the bigger picture” and the “you win by saving what you love instead of killing what you hate” if they really want to push these messages. In fact it’s baffling to me why it was just Holdo keeping the plan to herself instead of something like this.Meh. Kinda seems more silly that Poe wouldn't want to sneak down to the planet given the way the film set up the capital ship chase.
C'mon, Force 101, "strike me down and I will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine."
Quick question:
If Luke was intent on marooning himself on the island to die and cutting himself off from the force, why do it at the first Jedi temple at such a force sensitive place - that's like saying "I'm never eating meat again" and then camping at a McDonalds for the rest of your life. That doesn't make any sense. He could have been moping about anywhere hidden in the galaxy. In TFA I felt it implied that Luke had gone to the first Jedi temple for some kind of answers, was this idea just ignored like so many others, or should we believe that once Luke got to Ach To he thought "Screw this, I can't be bothered" Either way it's nonsense. This part of TLJ is what irks me so much - it's the drive for both TFA and TLJ and seems empty story wise.
Eh, don't throw out a red herring about Rose.Silly like Rose saving Finn in the name of love? If Poe said “I won’t be running away from them I’m gonna find a way to fight back now” it would have fitted in perfectly in their arc of “stay cool and look at the bigger picture” and the “you win by saving what you love instead of killing what you hate” if they really want to push these messages. In fact it’s baffling to me why it was just Holdo keeping the plan to herself instead of something like this.
Yea only that Ren did NOT strike him down. Luke appears to face Ren and the FO against all odds. Ren takes up the challenge but can’t even touch Luke. Then Luke reveals that he is in a position where he really can’t be touched. He defied Ren and the FO, won a duel of wits and force capabiluties and Ren is furious that he was fooled and he can’t hurt Luke.
And then Luke just dies.
So how did that play out in the “becoming more powerful than possibly imagine”-sense any different to Luke projecting down to the spacepub for a few rounds and then dying of the effort? Ren had nothing to do with his death directly. I’m okay with killing off Luke but from story perspective it didn’t make sense. Again, give proper motivations and consequences when writing a script.