Hey Night King! You done screwed up now! You think killing a dragon would demoralize your enemy? No. The only thing you've done is **** off its mother, a woman notorious for answering even small slights by setting just about everything on fire.
Game of Thrones
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Solo4114
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I think you can love the episode or at least aspects of it, and dislike other aspects.
I did love where the episode left the audience (mostly). I just did not love how it got there.
Uhhh....the....um.....fur was actually walrus fur! With the blubber! So, he had positive buoyancy! Yeah! That's the ticket!
Seriously, though, that whole sequence was incredibly stupid, and the only purpose for it was to bring Benjen in and then immediately kill him off, so that people wouldn't be wondering "Hey, where's Benjen?" like I did right at the start of the episode. Otherwise, it served no purpose.
I agree it was insulting AF, but it did serve another purpose. It served the narrative of Dany falling in love with Jon. Several of you have said that it should not have been Jon that stayed behind, because we all know he ain't dyin' in the penultimate episode of the penultimate season. So let's say it was Davos who stayed and occupied the dead, buying time for Dany and the rest--including Jon--to escape on the dragon. That doesn't serve the love narrative very well. The writers felt that Dany needed to witness Jon's selfless heroism on full display, in battle, in order to fall madly in love with him. Which would then pave the way for a touching scene between him (shirtless, with mysterious scars from wounds that would have killed any mortal) and her (comforted by his touch and words as she mourns the loss of her child).
The writing was absurd, but they wrote it that way to serve the love narrative between the show's two biggest stars.
Big turn off.
The Wook
ps~I also hated the absurdity of the NK chucking that spear far, so fast, and so perfectly aimed.
Toadmeister
Sr Member
I think you nailed it on what the writers were doing there.
Next week, Dany gets 9" of Snow...
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Winter is coming.
Solo4114
Master Member
I suppose that makes sense. I just think they could've done it differently, and in a way that didn't break believability. I don't mind Jon narrowly escaping. I mind him narrowly escaping in a way that should have virtually guaranteed his death.
Ew.
Reelo
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Axlotl
Master Member
I'm feeling that, too
I've been rewatching the entire series from the beginning.
Gods, the first 4 seasons are so good...
It would have been hard to wait it out, but I wish D&D had put the show on hold and waited for GRRM to finish the books.
It's starting to play out like fan fiction.
Banerys Targaryen, the oh-so-much-cooler version. The Wheel-Breaker we need, but not the one we'll get right now:
"Ahhh, you think a dragon is your ally. You merely adopted the dragon. I was reborn with them, molded by them. I didn't see Westeros until I was already a woman, by then it was nothing to me but knees bending!"
"No one cared who I was until I hatched the dragons."
"Slaver's Bay is YOURS, none will interfere. Do as you please!"
"I will show you where I have made my home while preparing to bring justice. Then I will break the wheel."
Cersei: "I am in charge, not you!"
Banearys: "Do you feel in charge?"
Cersei: "I control this city! I control the gold!
Banaerys: "And this gives you power over me? Your money and infrastructure have been important... until now."
"Rulership has cost you your strength. Victory has defeated you. Theatricality and deception... powerful agents to the uninitiated. But we are initiated... aren't we Cersei?"
"You fight like a younger woman, with nothing held back. Admirable. But mistaken."
"Ahhh, you think a dragon is your ally. You merely adopted the dragon. I was reborn with them, molded by them. I didn't see Westeros until I was already a woman, by then it was nothing to me but knees bending!"
"No one cared who I was until I hatched the dragons."
"Slaver's Bay is YOURS, none will interfere. Do as you please!"
"I will show you where I have made my home while preparing to bring justice. Then I will break the wheel."
Cersei: "I am in charge, not you!"
Banearys: "Do you feel in charge?"
Cersei: "I control this city! I control the gold!
Banaerys: "And this gives you power over me? Your money and infrastructure have been important... until now."
"Rulership has cost you your strength. Victory has defeated you. Theatricality and deception... powerful agents to the uninitiated. But we are initiated... aren't we Cersei?"
"You fight like a younger woman, with nothing held back. Admirable. But mistaken."
kibosh
Sr Member
This is not a reply aimed at you per se, but a lot of people are taking issue with the javelin through. So we can accept fire breathing dragons. We can accept a being that can raise the dead, was created when dragonglass was shoved through his heart, lives for thousands of years, and seems to control the weather to a degree. But we draw the line at the ability to throw a magical spear a long way with perfect aim. Got it.
Totally agree. I LOVED all the banter amongst the party. It was great. And it showed them coming together.
I'm ok with that scene closing the thread on Benjen. No more wondering. Like I still wonder about Ghost. Where the heck is he???
Totally agree with why Jon was the one to stay behind. It showed Dany who he was, and what he represents. And now she's seen his scars as well.
Again, no issue with the spear throw.
Arya isn't playing LF's game exactly. She's playing her own. She's testing Sansa's loyalty, and she passed.
When did Jon get bit?
This was my only issue with the episode. They should have just dragged that first dead guy home, and waited for him to turn. But now that I think about it, recent events show the NK having to raise the dead. Only in earlier episodes did the dead rise on their own.
Agree with all this.
Yep. Giving her the dagger sealed it for me.
Agreed. This was a setup by the NK. Why else would Bran have saw him in that exact same spot when he was warged into the raven? The NK was baiting the trap.
And now for a couple thoughts of mine:
1) People are making a big deal about the dragon having blue eyes so he must be a white walker and not a dragon wight. The bear had blue eyes too. I don't think that means anything more than that he was brought back to life.
2) I'm not sure how it would work in the plot, but could Melisandre be the one that snipped Varys? Have we seen any other indication that Red Priests/Priestesses hear voices in the flames? I thought they only saw visions.
From the opening of the first show in season 1, the dead which have been brought back have blue eyes. Not just the Others\White Walkers.
Varys already got his revenge on the wizard that snipped him. It was back in season 2 or 3 I think. It was a great scene between him and Tyrion.
Varys already got his revenge on the wizard that snipped him. It was back in season 2 or 3 I think. It was a great scene between him and Tyrion.
I have this sudden and positively HILARIOUS mental image of the NK and the AotD facing off against Sterling Archer and the gang at ISIS.
Specifically, Archer doing a "RRRAAAMMPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGE!", Cyril doing "SUPPRESSING FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRE!", Krieger and Cheryl fangasming over all the corpses, and Pam going all King Kong on the Night King himself.
Jon Snow: "I can't watch."
Tormund: "Who's the big woman?"
Clegane: "Would you look at that... Those c***s are actually winning."
Davos: "Your Grace, perhaps some dragonfire would help them out."
Dany: "No. Too risky. The fat one might try to eat Drogon."
Specifically, Archer doing a "RRRAAAMMPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGE!", Cyril doing "SUPPRESSING FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRE!", Krieger and Cheryl fangasming over all the corpses, and Pam going all King Kong on the Night King himself.
Jon Snow: "I can't watch."
Tormund: "Who's the big woman?"
Clegane: "Would you look at that... Those c***s are actually winning."
Davos: "Your Grace, perhaps some dragonfire would help them out."
Dany: "No. Too risky. The fat one might try to eat Drogon."
Axlotl
Master Member
I'm kinda conflicted about this episode, and maybe season 7 in general.
So far it's given me everything I've wanted - everything we've been building up to since the beginning.
Dragons versus white walkers!!!!
This last episode was a white knuckle ride, and I loved it!
But things are happening too quickly - in the world, I mean.
I would have bought the dragons showing up north of the wall more if Dany had just said "I had a hunch",
rather than the show expecting me to believe that Gendry ran all the way to the wall, ravens flew all the way to Dragonstone, and Dany flew all the way north, all in the span of a single day.
That's completely ridiculous.
So far it's given me everything I've wanted - everything we've been building up to since the beginning.
Dragons versus white walkers!!!!
This last episode was a white knuckle ride, and I loved it!
But things are happening too quickly - in the world, I mean.
I would have bought the dragons showing up north of the wall more if Dany had just said "I had a hunch",
rather than the show expecting me to believe that Gendry ran all the way to the wall, ravens flew all the way to Dragonstone, and Dany flew all the way north, all in the span of a single day.
That's completely ridiculous.
kristen jones
Master Member
kristen jones
Master Member
I thought that is what we were seeing all over his chest when he awoke in the bed? Some of them looked like bite marks to me
The maybe soon to be dead pool...
http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-characters-most-likely-to-die-in-the-game-of-throne-1798304021
http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-characters-most-likely-to-die-in-the-game-of-throne-1798304021
Riceball
Master Member
You know, I thought that with this season being shorter it would be good, fewer episodes means no filler. Sadly, they took out the filler and sped up the pace of the show, a lot. With the way they're writing things they really could have used a few more episodes to flesh things out a bit more and slow the pace of the season a tad. The Arya-Sansa-Littlefinger plotline is the only, so far, that's working with this quicker pace, but others, like the Jon-Dany romance really could use a couple more episodes of development. They also could use more episodes just to simply avoid having everybody travel from one end of Westeros to the other in half an hour's time.
Very good points. I too was yelling at my TV, "Break the ICE!" and "Fall Back to WHERE???"
I think there was some poor editing at play here. Still a fairly satisfying episode, just not the Epicness I had hoped for.
Toadmeister
Sr Member
That's his stab wounds from being assassinated by members of the Watch.
I thought they did a good job of showing Danny's POV here about the whole Davos "Stabbed in the hart" thing she was curious about.
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