Wolverine's Jackets

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No problem! I'll be going on vacation next week, so hopefully it will arrive by the time I get back.
 
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Well, since this thread got bumped up, I figured I'd write a synopsis of the Vanson Wolverine jacket in an effort to pull together all of the information contained here. I'm not going to say this is all 100% correct, but it is my best guess from all of the research and information that I have come across.

There were at least four jackets made by Vanson for Fox. Two of which were samples for the studio to decide on color choices, and two for actual production. The first is the red striped version seen below.
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This jacket is made from horse hide, and can bee seen in pre-production artwork on the X-Men DVD, which tells us that the studio definitely had possession of this jacket at some point.
Utlimately, however, they decided to go with the gold striped version seen here.
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This is the second color sample jacket that went to the studio along with the red version. I believe that this jacket is made from the illusive "MI9" leather that caused so much trouble when people were trying to get Vanson orders.
Once Fox decided to go with this color scheme, they sent the jacket back to vanson and had two more made from horse hide. I'm not sure what happend to the origianl red striped version, but I don't believe that it was ever used during production.
Once the studio received the two new jackets in brown horse hide, they began the process of weathering, which brought them to the state that they are seen on screen. This picture shows Jackman and his stuntman wearing their respective jackets.
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There are some things that are still unexplained about the screen used jacket. These include the chest zippers that zip "UP" to close instead of down, the main zipper which is on the left hand side, instead of the right, and the gusset color appears to be the same as the rest of the jacket, as opposed to gold, which is on the prototype versions. Whether these changes were requested by the wardrobe department, or a result of the weathering process is unknown. But given all of this information, anyone who is interested in ordering a vanson can do so.

If you want a Wolverine jacket from Vanson that appears as it did on screen, the best color combination is definitely WALNUT for the base, and GOLD stripes. The only other way to get the screen used look is to have one made with horse hide (which Vanson currently does not have) and weather it the exact same way the wardrobe department did. I'm not sure how they darkend the leather, but it is believed that after they sanded the jacket, several coats of oil were applied which caused the darkening.

Another choice, which should be the closest to pre-weathering, is the color GA2, with gold stripes. GA2 is a richer shade of brown with just a hint of red undertone. This matches the color characteristics of the horse hide fairly well, but I wouldn't recommend trying to weather it as a means to create a screen accurate look.

There is still the issue of the bottom stripe measurments. At some point, the dimensions of these stripes were changed dramatically. No one knows how or why this happened. Upon last speaking with Mike at Vanson (who recently left the company), he informed me that he did change the dimensions to match those of the "gold" prototype above. I have never seen this jacket in person, so I cannot vouch for their screen accuracy. However, if you desire, you can have the stripes made to your specifications for an extra charge. I believe that the best measurments for screen accuracy are 1-1/4" at the zipper to 4-3/4" at the back. These measurments are derrived from a standard size 42 wolverine jacket (the screen used was size 44), so keep that in mind if you place an order.

You will also need to specify that you want the sleeve gussets to be the same color as the jacket for a screen accurate look. If not, they will be the same color as the trim. Vanson will also modify the chest zippers and main zipper if you desire, but I'm not sure of the charges for this.

I think that about covers all of the bases, from prototypes, to types of leather and colors, to screen accurate measerments and features. Once again, this is my best guess on the history of this jacket with the research I've done. If I'm missing someting, feel free to chime in.

- John
 
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John,

Thanks for the great summary of the thread so far as it relates to the X1 jacket. It's very helpful.

I have a question about the X3 jacket though. I came across a thread on another forum (I can't for the life of me remember which one as it was 3 AM when I found it) that showed the X3 sleeve gussets were the same blue color as the arm bands. It had a screen capture to illustrate the point. Up until that time, I had thought the sleeve gussets were brown like the rest of the jacket.

Can anyone confirm that they were indeed blue? (sorry if this has already been addressed in the previous 70-some-odd pages; I've read them all, but it's been a while...).

Thanks,
Chris
 
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AHA! Thanks, Marlin, that was EXACTLY what I found the first time (and was looking for again). Thanks for the help, much appreciated. :D

-Chris
 
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Yeah, I found that little tidbit out when I did screen caps you saw... had to get all the details together.
 
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Pics as promised. Better late than never! :) The jacket was actually shipped quite speedily but I just haven't had time to take pics.

Here is a pic with the flash on. As you can see it does make the jacket look a bit shiny.


Here is one with the flash off, and it looks much darker.


Here are some more details.











Overall, I'd say that although the color scheme on the jacket isn't very accurate, the weathering is really nice and definitely makes up for it.
 
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DW,

Thanks for posting the pics, and congrats on the purchase. It's nice to see some photos of the jacket other than the stock ones on their auctions.

THEMAN,

Thank you too, for posting the X3 jacket caps over on filmjackets. It certainly was informative to see that the gusset was blue. I kind of wish the X1 had stayed with the original Vanson design of having the weathered orange gussets, but oh well. The X2 is still my favorite anyway, and I just wish I had the money to get one of David's.

-Chris
 
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Yeah I got rid of my Wested X1 version and some other jackets so I could swing David's X2.
I have an X3 in the works as well with another company, and will let everyone know the details and such as soon as it's ready... probably won't be until September @ the earliest though.
 
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Yeah I got rid of my Wested X1 version and some other jackets so I could swing David's X2.
I have an X3 in the works as well with another company, and will let everyone know the details and such as soon as it's ready... probably won't be until September @ the earliest though.
How much is that X3 your working on? I think I remember reading a while back that it was over $600? At this rate the only one I'll be able to afford is the wested X3.. haha:rolleyes Are they ever going to make those changes.. last I heard they still had the arm bands too high.
 
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LRun, looks like that's a yes, right about $600 for the spot on version I'm having done... but I may be able to bring it down a bit with group buys in standard sizes.
I don't think Wested will be making the simple changes needed on their X3... myself and others have repeatedly requested changes and given all the needed information to do so, and Wested just hasn't been flexible on changing their wrong pattern.
The X3 I'm having done will be disgustingly awesome, and I'm confident it will be worth every penny and be a jacket to wear for the next 30+ years. :)
 
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LRun, looks like that's a yes, right about $600 for the spot on version I'm having done... but I may be able to bring it down a bit with group buys in standard sizes.
I don't think Wested will be making the simple changes needed on their X3... myself and others have repeatedly requested changes and given all the needed information to do so, and Wested just hasn't been flexible on changing their wrong pattern.
The X3 I'm having done will be disgustingly awesome, and I'm confident it will be worth every penny and be a jacket to wear for the next 30+ years. :)
Ahhhhh! I already know i'm going to want one so bad! I will probably end up being forced to pass though, I need to start saving more money. :$ So tempting..
Are these jackets being made through that ?German? company from a while back, or did you find a better place?
 
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Are these jackets being made through that ?German? company from a while back, or did you find a better place?

If I may speak for Dan...I believe these X3 jackets will be American made.
Hey Dan, which color blue did you go with for the stripes and gussets?
 
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Yep, good ole USofA made... Candy Blue KS, and Metalgold for the yellow stripes.
And the pricing comes down quite a bit as long as I get lots of 6 or more done at once, so group buys will be a big help to all on this jacket.
 
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Allrighty, since the cat's pretty much screaming to get out of the bag...

I've been talking with Vanson for quite some time now about the Wolverine Jackets, among other things...and it looks like since our only contact (Mike) left Vanson, I'm now the main contact for Wolverine (aka Wolf) and other screen seen jackets done by them. I got the word that I'm set up as a distributor for Vanson and now can get group buys together for us out here.

I've also been working with them on the exact details to make the X3 version of Wolve's jacket, the first one won't be getting out to me until late Septmeber at the earliest though, so no luck on getting a run done in time for Halloween. But at least we will finally have that jacket model with every detail correct for those that have wanted one since early into this thread.

Now onto the OG Wolverine jacket from X-MEN...
as Knightsaber has mostly summarized, this jacket model went out to the wardrobe dept. in a few different versions. The version FOX kept to use on Hugh and his stuntman for the film was Brown Horsehide with Gold stripes, END OF STORY. :)
NOTE: Walnut was the closest color in the comp leather ATM when available, and Octagon comp was the standard color used initially but has changed over the years from the Dyers, which is why people think it looks way off when the jackets arrive in that color.

Everyone has been pining for that Horsehide as seen in Cole's pictures way back in the thread, but Vanson hasn't had it in stock for the past 2.5 years! It just so happens that on my visit up there I was shown a whole stack of Brown Horsehides that had just come in, finally!
So I put in the request to see if it has all been processed, and will find out how many jackets can be done in the amount they have.

That means I'll be putting together a group buy for Wolverine Jackets in Brown Horsehide with Gold striping, single snap collar, sleeve gussets and zipper trim same color as base, proper sized waist stripes.
If most also want the chest zippers up to close and the main zipper pull on the left hand side I will make those standard options as well, but that will make it the standard for the entire order.
NOTE: The zipper pull started out as a right hander, the best guess on what happened was that through all the bashing/beating it came off and was put back on the other side by the wardrobe dept.

PM me if seriously interested... the normal Wolf in standard sizes and regular comp leather is now $615 with current price adjustments, and the Horsehide is typically more expensive. I plan to be keeping it at the $600 mark or less if possible, but would need a minimum order of six and up to start taking the price down even more.
 
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Alright, I'm pretty much done with this weathering process. I'm short on time so I won't go into details right now, but I did snap some quick pics. I'm pretty happy with the results. I might try a bit more light sanding, but that's about it. So without further ado...my newest Wolverine jacket!
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Arm Detail
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Weathering Detail
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No Flash
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One more with flash
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I'll have more detailed pics in a bit.
- John
 
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Nice
when can we get some details, is this the same one you have on ebay?
did you use any kind of oil?
lay it on us!
 
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Thanks guys, glad you like it! This isn't the one on ebay right now, but a new one I had made earlier this year. OK, now for some details.

This jacket actually started out as Vanson's "Vintage Black" color. I really liked the swatch I received, but since the leather dye pattern varies so much across the hide, the final jacket almost looked like it had an animal print or something throughout. My initial plan was only to try and even out this look so it would be more uniform....well, I ended up taking a bit too much of the dye out. CRAP! I knew that I already voided the warranty by tampering with the jacket, so I figured I would try to make the best of it. My next step was to strip the enire jacket of it's original finish.

I started with the back panel.
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Getting there...
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And finally I got it all off.
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Since I had to use some pretty strong solvents to get the finish off, I had to oil it as I went along with Pecard boot and shoe oil so the leather would not dry out.
I also bought some Brown and Black tinted Pecard leather conditioner in hoppes of darkening the leather. After applyinng it fairly liberally several times, I realized that I would not get the look I wanted. So I turned to the internet and decieded that I would try re-dying it myself.

I used Zelikovitz professional leather dye. They have water based dyes that can be mixed to create any color. I used dark brown and black to get the color I wanted. My first attempt actually came out TOO dark if you can believe it, so I had to strip it again and start over. After some more trial and error, I found a more suitable shade of brown. Also, since the dye is water based, you can use a 50/50 mix of dye and water to create a thinner "stain" or transparent look, rahter than a thick coat. I found it to be optimal.

So after dying it, I had to weather the stripes. I stripped the protective wax coat that vanson uses, which exposed the leather underneath. I sanded them and rubbed in the brown and black pecard conditioner, which really darkened them up nicely. After that I took the same leather dye that I used on the jacket and brushed on a thin line across each stripe and rubbed it in. This really gave the stripes the dirty rugged look that I wanted.

For weathering the main body, I used several techniques of sanding, lightly applying alcohol with a paper towel, more sanding and so on. After applying the top coat, I sanded some more and added some regualar leather conditioner to finish it off. And there you have the end result.
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I have to admit that there was a fair amount of frustration when I couldn't get the look I wanted, but with a little persistenc and some experimentation, I ended up with a pretty decent product. I would say that applying the dye was the trickiest part. Not really hard, but dying is more of an art than a science. I had to find the right balance and technique for appying it without ending up with brush streaks.

Oh, and I suppose cutting off the stripe was the gutsiest part of it...I just had to commit to doing it, and once the first ten or so stitches were cut, there was no turning back, haha!

If you have any other questions, just ask. I'll try to get some more pics, but the batteries in my dg. cam have to be charged, so maybe tomorrow.

- John
 
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