Wolverine's Jackets
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Victorious-Jay
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mmvanson @ Mar 1 2007, 07:10 PM) [snapback]1429396[/snapback]</div>
The zippers, the snaps, the color, the leather, the size and placement of the stripes. The questions have all been polite and very legitimate. The replys have all been abrupt and full of attitude. Typing in all caps was a nice touch. Bottom line, if it looked like it was supposed to look you wouldn't have a bunch of people asking these kind of questions(and no, I'm not talking about the weathering). The attitude was the nail in the coffin. I won't buy anything from Vanson again.
The zippers, the snaps, the color, the leather, the size and placement of the stripes. The questions have all been polite and very legitimate. The replys have all been abrupt and full of attitude. Typing in all caps was a nice touch. Bottom line, if it looked like it was supposed to look you wouldn't have a bunch of people asking these kind of questions(and no, I'm not talking about the weathering). The attitude was the nail in the coffin. I won't buy anything from Vanson again.
yeah he's always been kinda coarse, but i guess i'd be pissed if people was always telling me how to do my job (even if it is deserved)
hey knightsaber, can you post some pics of your jacket like the sleeve opening, so i can get an idea of how thick the leather is, maybe even one of the collar, like the end of the tab.
thaks.@
hey knightsaber, can you post some pics of your jacket like the sleeve opening, so i can get an idea of how thick the leather is, maybe even one of the collar, like the end of the tab.
thaks.@
Knightsaber
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Sure, I can post some pics like that sometime tomorrow.
Knightsaber
Sr Member
Here's some of the pics requested.
- John
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I think some people are putting too much thought into the all CAPS and shortness of answers provided by Mike @ Vanson...
Personally I just read the words he posts and mold that into what I know and see... And he is trying to answer some very intricate questions along with some major details repeatedly all to quite an anal group of enthusiasts (me included.) who are trying to get an exact replica of a jacket worn on a movie screen that has been put through the wringer, and the original was done so over seven years ago.
And I'm sure he's trying to fit in whatever visits here he can all while doing his job at Vanson.
Just trying to keep things in perspective... I've been into this for quite a while, although not nearly as long as some (ex. Mantis) and I've had a few Wolve jackets over the past year. Some sucked, some were decent, but none were quite a Vanson.
Personally I just read the words he posts and mold that into what I know and see... And he is trying to answer some very intricate questions along with some major details repeatedly all to quite an anal group of enthusiasts (me included.) who are trying to get an exact replica of a jacket worn on a movie screen that has been put through the wringer, and the original was done so over seven years ago.
And I'm sure he's trying to fit in whatever visits here he can all while doing his job at Vanson.
Just trying to keep things in perspective... I've been into this for quite a while, although not nearly as long as some (ex. Mantis) and I've had a few Wolve jackets over the past year. Some sucked, some were decent, but none were quite a Vanson.
The Mantis
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As usual, THEMAN, you have summed up how I feel. I understand everyone's frustration with all the information and misinformation but cool heads will prevail here.
Kt Templar
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The Mantis @ Feb 16 2007, 03:50 PM) [snapback]1420214[/snapback]</div>
Hi I've been following this thread for a while and I asked Al to post the pic of my friends Wested X3.
Here's a pic on a mannikin.
(not taken by me I hasten to add.)
The first thing to note is the person who this jacket was made for is quite big and stocky with shortish but thick arms. It's about a size 50 and fitted to him. The body falls about an inch and a half below his belt line.
You could look on this as a prototype X3, it's the first with the yellow, dark blue, yellow stripe combo I've seen from Wested. The arm stripes should be higher up, I'd hazard a guess that a better positioning would be the top of the top stripe just at the armpit level. The stripes also go all the way round where thay should just be the outer semicircle of the sleeve. They also did not do the "seam" around the shoulders but that could very easily be added as just a stitched detail, a faux seam.
The leather is really wearing in nicely, would I go for horsehide? Don't know, Wested uses a highly finished smooth horsehide on their Indy Jackets quite unlike the almost brittle, stiff hide that say A2 manufacturers like Aero use which would give all the quick distressing.
However, I do have a waistcoat from them that I "think" is horsehide and it is aging in a very interesting way:
I think this might make a very nice Wolverine jacket, especially if it was mottled up with some tinted pecard.
Hi I've been following this thread for a while and I asked Al to post the pic of my friends Wested X3.
Here's a pic on a mannikin.
(not taken by me I hasten to add.)
The first thing to note is the person who this jacket was made for is quite big and stocky with shortish but thick arms. It's about a size 50 and fitted to him. The body falls about an inch and a half below his belt line.
You could look on this as a prototype X3, it's the first with the yellow, dark blue, yellow stripe combo I've seen from Wested. The arm stripes should be higher up, I'd hazard a guess that a better positioning would be the top of the top stripe just at the armpit level. The stripes also go all the way round where thay should just be the outer semicircle of the sleeve. They also did not do the "seam" around the shoulders but that could very easily be added as just a stitched detail, a faux seam.
The leather is really wearing in nicely, would I go for horsehide? Don't know, Wested uses a highly finished smooth horsehide on their Indy Jackets quite unlike the almost brittle, stiff hide that say A2 manufacturers like Aero use which would give all the quick distressing.
However, I do have a waistcoat from them that I "think" is horsehide and it is aging in a very interesting way:
I think this might make a very nice Wolverine jacket, especially if it was mottled up with some tinted pecard.
yes i have the wested horsehide sample, and it has a very "glossy" type finish, which does make it more rigid, but like KT said would make the aging unkown to me, i think this is the same leather they used for my stripes the orangsih tan pictured above, and in some spots that see alot of wear the gloss has come off and apperas dull comapred to the rest of it, so time will tell.
At the Vanson shop, they still have horsehide jackets for sale (the black Hell's Angels variety), I guess it's from older stock before the new government regulations kicked in. They also have that other Wolverine jacket made of horsehide on display that I tried on. Looking and reading about this Wested horsehide... I'd say they either have a very different breed of horse overseas, they are doing something very funky to their horsehide or that is not "real" horsehide but simulated horsehide.
The horsehide Wolverine jacket does not have a gloss to it. It definately doesn't look like it would crack from repeated folding and that closeup pic that Kt Templar put up, the leather looks waaaay too thin compared to the horsehide that Vanson used in the display Wolverine jacket. I don't think the sample horsehide that Wested is handing out equates to the quality stuff that Vanson was using. I think I'll be calling up Wested and asking for a sample so, I can see and feel it myself.
- J.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(h8ter18 @ Mar 6 2007, 06:16 PM) [snapback]1433222[/snapback]</div>
The horsehide Wolverine jacket does not have a gloss to it. It definately doesn't look like it would crack from repeated folding and that closeup pic that Kt Templar put up, the leather looks waaaay too thin compared to the horsehide that Vanson used in the display Wolverine jacket. I don't think the sample horsehide that Wested is handing out equates to the quality stuff that Vanson was using. I think I'll be calling up Wested and asking for a sample so, I can see and feel it myself.
- J.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(h8ter18 @ Mar 6 2007, 06:16 PM) [snapback]1433222[/snapback]</div>
Kt Templar
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Thickness is not an indicator as to what leather you have, leather is scraped from the reverse side to whatever thickness you want. eg:
3 different types of leather from Aero, the thickest here is the Steer, then the Goat, then the Horse.
2 Wested leathers lamb (l) and horse ®,
This horsehide is thick AND tough but it does not wrinkle anything like as easy as the Aero stuff.
and 3 more
Lamb (top of pic) goat and predistressed cow what they make the standard wolverine out of.
3 different types of leather from Aero, the thickest here is the Steer, then the Goat, then the Horse.
2 Wested leathers lamb (l) and horse ®,
This horsehide is thick AND tough but it does not wrinkle anything like as easy as the Aero stuff.
and 3 more
Lamb (top of pic) goat and predistressed cow what they make the standard wolverine out of.
Kt Templar
Well-Known Member
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(h8ter18 @ Mar 7 2007, 07:02 PM) [snapback]1433943[/snapback]</div>
Aero leather
Another jacket maker, they make high end A2 repros amongst other things.
Aero leather
Knightsaber
Sr Member
Hey dijinn, let's see some pics of you wearing that awesome jacket.
