Woah...Corey Haim dead.

The truly stupid part is, is that you don't recognize the difference between inherent risk and willfully gambling with your life.

If I stand on the street corner and wait for the signal to change, there's a small chance that a car will hop the curb and hit me. If I try running across on-coming traffic, my chances of getting hit, go up a hundred-fold. And if I do get hit, it's my fault - not the on-coming traffic's.

If I'm walking down the street, there's a small chance that some loon with a gun may take a shot at me. If I see a loon with a gun and run up and confront him, there's a pretty damn good chance he's going to shoot me. Again, a situation I've created for myself.

Cops know the risk of the job, but they're also trained to prepare for those type of situations. Plus, they wear bullet proof vests, in the off chance that somebody might shoot at them. And with the 70 year old, we don't know a thing about the circumstances. Did the cop know the guy had a gun? Did the guy look harmless and then pull the gun on the cop as he approached?

At what point do you start taking responsibility for your own actions, DST? Or are you always a victim of circumstance and all of your problems are someone else's fault?

-Fred

No you don't seem to recognize that even crossing a busy street when the don't walk symbol is up doesn't equate to willfully taking your own life unless you run into traffic with the expressed objective of getting hit and killed.
If your objective is to get to the other side of the street and you get hit it's still an accident despite the level of risk.

Now if you can show me that Haim took drugs over many years with the expressed objective of killing himself i'll happily accept your verdict of suicide which is what willfully taking your own life is.
Seems like a slow, expensive and inefficient way to commit suicide though.
 
What most dont understand is that Addiction is a disease recognized by medical science and funded for research. Insurance covers treatment.

glad you were able to kick your addictions :thumbsup but I don't buy it being a disease. I think it's used as an excuse.

A disease is something you get, by no fault of your own.

An addiction is something you do to yourself. You have to make a concerted effort to put that substance into your body. That is not a disease, it's a lifestyle choice after making a bad decision. Addictions are 100% preventable.
 
glad you were able to kick your addictions :thumbsup but I don't buy it being a disease. I think it's used as an excuse.

A disease is something you get, by no fault of your own.

An addiction is something you do to yourself. You have to make a concerted effort to put that substance into your body. That is not a disease, it's a lifestyle choice after making a bad decision. Addictions are 100% preventable.

Whether you buy it or not isn't relevent it's recognised as such by the medical profession as a psychological disorder.
 
The initial taking of drugs is surely ones own fault. However, there comes a time when the body takes over and they lose control. This can be heroin or coke, coffee or cigarettes. Our society says, Coke = bad / Coffee = okay! Weird, isn't it?
 
No you don't seem to recognize that even crossing a busy street when the don't walk symbol is up doesn't equate to willfully taking your own life unless you run into traffic with the expressed objective of getting hit and killed.
If your objective is to get to the other side of the street and you get hit it's still an accident despite the level of risk.

Now if you can show me that Haim took drugs over many years with the expressed objective of killing himself i'll happily accept your verdict of suicide which is what willfully taking your own life is.
Seems like a slow, expensive and inefficient way to commit suicide though.


So, it's all based on intent? I put the gun in my mouth, pulled the trigger, but had no intent of killing myself. I just wanted to know what it felt like to have a bullet pass through my brain. Therefore, I didn't willfully take my life. Does anyone actually buy that BS? I see the "don't walk" sign. I see the on-coming traffic. I still decide to walk across the street. I get slammed by the number 7 bus. I didn't intend to die, so I didn't willfully take my life. I know that if I negligently take drugs (illegal or otherwise), I dramatically increase my chances of something bad happening. Even still, I take the drugs - for 20 years. I have no intent of killing myself (even though I know I'm at a great risk), but I OD and end up dead. But since it wasn't my intent, it therefore can't be suicide.

Where is the personal responsibility? At what point do you own up to the fact that your course of action, led to your demise? And isn't killing yourself, regardless of how slow and painful it is, still suicide? What if you kidnap someone, beat them and starve them over the course of a year. And eventually they die from trauma and mal-nutrition. Is that not still murder? There must be faster and more efficient ways of killing someone. But if your intent was only torture, the court can't get you for murder - can they? Not by your definition. Your definition is all intent and effeciency based.



glad you were able to kick your addictions :thumbsup but I don't buy it being a disease. I think it's used as an excuse.

A disease is something you get, by no fault of your own.

An addiction is something you do to yourself. You have to make a concerted effort to put that substance into your body. That is not a disease, it's a lifestyle choice after making a bad decision. Addictions are 100% preventable.


Most people have an addictive personality, by nature. The only difference is how they fill the void. Some people have caffeine addictions, others have nicotine. Some people gamble, some people shop. Some people over eat, some are addicted to sex, while others turn to alcohol or illegal drugs. When you fill that void, your body releases endorphins as a reward, AKA, the high. At the most basest level, the heroin addict isn't any different than the guy who has to have every single Star Wars action figure. Both get a high from fulfilling their need.

If you're one of those people that don't "need" that cup of coffee in the morning, or that cigarette break during the day, or that last piece of cake, or has to buy that lotto ticket, the new action figure to finish off wave 17 of collection 6, or have sex with the next warm thing that has a pulse, or that next fix of heroin - then good for you. But you're a minority.

-Fred
 
Yes it's intent i fail to see what is so difficult to understand.

But if your intent was only torture, the court can't get you for murder - can they? Not by your definition. Your definition is all intent and effeciency based.

That's right if you take someones life unintentionally it's called manslaughter not murder which is the premeditated intent to unlawfully take a life.
 
If you're one of those people that don't "need" that cup of coffee in the morning, or that cigarette break during the day, or that last piece of cake, or has to buy that lotto ticket, the new action figure to finish off wave 17 of collection 6, or have sex with the next warm thing that has a pulse, or that next fix of heroin - then good for you. But you're a minority.

-Fred

I come a family of alcoholics (both parents) smokers (both parents) and pack-rats/horders (Mom and her siblings).

I saw the writing on the wall and decided I did not want to be any of those so I made choices not to be, even though I could easily be. It's not easy, but I still resist, especially being the rat packer/hoarder.

I drink occasionally, but I cut myself off early and make the effort to walk away. Luckily I've never found anything appealing about smoking and I've never done a drug, ever in my life.

I am not saying I am better than anyone else, it's just I work extra hard everyday to resist those things.
 
It's amazing how the people who live paycheck to paycheck, constantly complain about having to move because they can't find work or afford where they live, and seem to lack an any kind of formal higher education seem to know absolutely everything.

Can somebody please remind me how to block a user please? Thanks,

John
 
It's amazing how the people who live paycheck to paycheck, constantly complain about having to move because they can't find work or afford where they live, and seem to lack an any kind of formal higher education seem to know absolutely everything.

Can somebody please remind me how to block a user please? Thanks,

John


no kidding. Irritating isn't it? I don't know how they live with themselves.
 
Can somebody please remind me how to block a user please? Thanks,

John


Click on user's name, then click view public profile, then look for the little drop down box right under their use name that says "use list". It's in there.
 
There you go what ? you're intimating that addiction is only classed as a psychological disorder so doctors can make money, well the healthcare system here and in a lot of other countries is free to all so what's the excuse there then ?

As doctors can treat anything classified by the government as a disease, it would make sense to make as many things as possible diseases so you can charge for it.
 
As doctors can treat anything classified by the government as a disease, it would make sense to make as many things as possible diseases so you can charge for it.

Healthcare is free here so whats your excuse for doctors making up illnesses here then ? you do understand the concept of free ? you aren't charged.
So what are the doctors making from it here ?
 
Healthcare is free here so whats your excuse for doctors making up illnesses here then ? you do understand the concept of free ? you aren't charged.
So what are the doctors making from it here ?

Wow.

You simply do not understand the concept of socialized medicine.

THERE AINT NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH!!!!

That 'free' healthcare is not FREE at all. You pay massive amounts of taxes for it so you never see a bill for it only your income taxes, sales taxes, etc. When the doctors know they have an unlimited source of income that they can tap, ie government funded healthcare, they have no incentive what so ever to try to be fiscally responsible.

Really Def, your naivete is astounding.
 
Wow.

You simply do not understand the concept of socialized medicine.

THERE AINT NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH!!!!

That 'free' healthcare is not FREE at all. You pay massive amounts of taxes for it so you never see a bill for it only your income taxes, sales taxes, etc. When the doctors know they have an unlimited source of income that they can tap, ie government funded healthcare, they have no incentive what so ever to try to be fiscally responsible.

Really Def, your naivete is astounding.

Again i'm failing to see who is profiting from making up an illness here.
Yes our healthcare system is paid for with tax money but that''s precisely it the tax is spent on healthcare nobody is profiting from it, doctors have a salary they aren't paid per consultation so they have nothing financially to gain the government have no financial gain so come on tell me what purpose would our healthcare system have to make up an illness ?
 
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