*WIP: Studio Scale Escape Pod*

Discussion in 'Studio Scale Models' started by bcgd, Apr 30, 2006.

  1. bcgd

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    I finally started my studio scale escape pod last weekend. I've never built a studio scale before so I'm pretty excited and call on all of you for pointers. Here's the progress so far:

    I started out with the paper paint buckets a'la ILM and cut them down based off of measurements from Lasse Henning's drawings. The plan is to make a paper substructure and then try to work out all the measurements/kinks there and then laminate the outside with styrene. Again, since I've never done this before I figured it would be like tracing in 3D. I knew this thing would get totally manhandled during construction so once I got everything trimmed I reinforced it from the inside with foamcore. This will keep everything from imploding in on it too once I start gluing all the crap on the outside.

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    Next came the tricky part; the angles/cones. Let me preface this by saying I AM AN IDIOT AT MATH so rather than bore you with tales of trial and error using compasses, triangles and rulers I'll just say if you need to figure out the measurements of a cone to cut out go here: ConeCalc. I discovered this afterwards of course. Ain't life great? :rolleyes

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    The cones were made from psterboard, reinforced with foamcore and glued on the tops of the two sections. I plan on working on the top and bottom sections separately for as long as possible because I figured it would just be easier plus it seems no one can confirm what scale of tank tread was used or measurements around the middle. The short cylinder "hatch" part of the small section will just be made out of styrene.

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    This weekend I'm beginning the laminating process. I bought an OBSCENE amount of styrene this week. By obscene I mean a 4' x 8' sheet of .050 for $14.95. A lot better than blowing my budget on those Evergreen packages wouldn't you say? This will give me enough to screw up a couple of times and still have some left over to build all the panels and screw up again. I did a test gluing the other night with a small piece and a spare bucket and slow CA works great if you just glue an end, hold it, lay a bead, hold it and just repeat this across the curve

    The tough part about taking pictures of the pod is that it tends to look distorted and different in every shot because of its angles. More soon.
     
  2. TFrosst

    TFrosst Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Where did you aquire the the paint buckets? i'm looking forward to following your progress on this. I've always planned on making one of these eventually.
     
  3. bcgd

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TFrosst @ Apr 30 2006, 10:28 AM) [snapback]1235964[/snapback]</div>
    Ace Hardware. $1.99, baby. I bought extras for templates, etc.
     
  4. ralphee

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    Now this is going to be my thread of choice for a while, id love to tackle this build, so ill be watching closely, fantastic start bcgd, ill have to find where i can bag some buckets here in the U.K.
     
  5. swpropmaker

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    Great Job. I love seeing studio scale ambition. Looks like a good start.

    I dont want to high jack your thread but this is for the guys who cant scratch build or cant find the time. Backlot Studios and Nice-n Model Designs will be releasing the studio scale Escape Pod in April.

    Keep jammin your build is looking great.


    Steve
     
  6. paulcarson

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(swpropmaker @ Apr 30 2006, 08:23 PM) [snapback]1236010[/snapback]</div>

    So its due to be released? Its nearly May and I haven't heard anything. Is there a link to somewhere that has this information?

    bcqd - thats a great start by the way. I agree with ralphee, we need a source of these buckets in the UK . :lol

    I haven't made a start on mine yet, still trying to complete another project first.

    You know Steve, its just clicked about the Nice-n Models name. Its a "play" on your surname - Doh. silly me. Are you starting a separate thread on this Steve?

    Sorry for the hi-jack bcgd , but this may save us both a lot of time and heartache.

    Paul
     
  7. PHArchivist

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    Fun project.
     
  8. bcgd

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    This week I laminated the buckets and other parts with styrene and began adding putty and sanding. My Saturn V kit came Saturday as well as my first of four 8rads. Another one should come today. I was comparing the scale of the pod to some of the parts and realized that the cone on the bottom part where the thrusters will be was off so that had to be rebuilt.

    I stuck CDs inbetween the sections for the photos but you get the idea.

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    Next it's laying out all the panel templates in Illustrator and start cutting them out. I've also decide to make some of the parts like the Sealab III brackets on the bottom from scratch. I just can't spend that much money on one kit. I'd rather stay married, keep half of my stuff and loose accuracy points with you guys. :)

    This will be the last update for a while. Mrs. bcgd and I are going to London for 10 days next Sunday. We're going to be touring Elstree Studios while we're over there so I hope to have some cool pictures to share when I get back. Thanks again for all your input and suggestions.

    Cheers.
     
  9. Mycroft Holmes

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    post a pict of the sealab parts you need and I can either gift them to you or lend them to you for molding. I purchased mine to use for a specific set of ships NOT related to Star Wars and they may not be used so.... :)

    PM me.


    Mark
     
  10. Boba Frett

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    That's shaping up nicely :)
     
  11. ralphee

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    Ive got 2 incomplete saturn V's i used on a Y wing, if you need any more thruster parts let me know, i can send them you you to cast, as sadly im a silicone/resin virgin......lee. Looking good BTW.
     
  12. bcgd

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ralphee @ May 8 2006, 08:35 AM) [snapback]1240543[/snapback]</div>
    PM Sent
     
  13. Pauleysolo

    Pauleysolo Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    That is looking great. So much model building talent in the RPF
     
  14. moffeaton

    moffeaton Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Fantastic..

    I hope to add one of these to my stable in the next year :)
     
  15. paulcarson

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    Any progress?
     
  16. bcgd

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    <div class='quotetop'>(paulcarson @ Jun 2 2006, 03:12 PM) [snapback]1255128[/snapback]</div>
    None physically but behind the scenes I've got someone working on casting my Saturn V parts to save me some dough. I got back from London last Thursday so I've doing that adjusting post-vaction thing but I hope to work on it this weekend. I want to start on the exterior panels and scribing.
     
  17. Mycroft Holmes

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    You're back. Let me know what address to send the Sealab parts :)
     
  18. bcgd

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    <div class='quotetop'>(Mycroft Holmes @ Jun 2 2006, 04:19 PM) [snapback]1255165[/snapback]</div>
    Thanks. PM Sent.
     
  19. bcgd

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    I guess you could say I hit a milestone today; I glued the first of the kit parts and panels on (fanfare plays). Other than that I drew lines all over the bottom of it and wrote "DOOR" on the side. With each little piece I cut, sanded and glued I gained even more respect for the guys here with REAL talent.

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    Now, that said on to business. First off, thanks to everyone that posted asking about the progress since I got back. It really motivated/guilted me into working on the model for little time I did this weekend. Keep it up.

    Second, can anyone identify this part for me (the white one)?

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    And finally, if anyone has the SW Chronicles could please scan the escape pod pages for me? I have a pretty good reference notebook but I've heard those pages are really good. I'd really appreciate it. I tried asking before but hey...

    Thanks.
     
  20. DARKSIDE72

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    Yea those are form the tamiya 1/35 m41 walker bulldog.

    Good job so far.
     
  21. bcgd

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    The white parts?
     
  22. Boba Flint

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    Yes the white parts. They are only white because they are resin cast. ;)

    If I can just finish the Y-Wing I plan on making one of these next. I think I have all the parts.
     
  23. bcgd

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    Got it. Thanks.
     
  24. Ivanhotep

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    Great WIP.

    Having a step-by-step build of the engine area is very informative.

    Looking forward to more.
     
  25. bcgd

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    Nothing exciting to report worth documenting in pics but some minor progress this weekend:


    • Began laying out a template for some of the surface panels.

    • Glued, puttied and sanded the Saturn V engine nozzles.

    • Started gluing together some of the parts that will make up the engine's base.

    • Ordered the following Tamiya kits today:
    SD.KFZ 222
    M10 Tank Destroyer
    Panther 171
    Panzer Kampfwagen IV
    Sherman M4 Early Production
    Flak 88mm
    Centurian Tank
    M41 Walker Bulldog

    A thank you to Ralphlee for the Chronicles scans (C'mon Lions.) and thank you to Mycroft Holmes for the casts of the Sealab parts. It takes a village.
     
  26. Mycroft Holmes

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    Hey Bret, no problem. Some of us from the original RPF know what it's like to pool in and help.

    The parts will be on the way soon. They are a B*&$# to cast because of all the thin raised edges BUT they are getting done :D


    Mark
     
  27. ralphee

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    Welcome buddy, just glad to help out in a very cool project. Keep the pics coming, and yeah c'mon england, we want at least 3 past Trinidad lol.
     
  28. bcgd

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    OK so I picked up a Tamiya 1/35 M41 Walker Bulldog today and there was nothing in there that resembled this part. Any other ideas of where this part came from (the white one)?

    Thanks in advance guys.
     
  29. useful idiot

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    Dude, awesome buildup so far.. This thread has inspired me to start my own escape pod.
     
  30. 1138

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    <div class='quotetop'>(bcgd @ Jun 16 2006, 06:08 PM) [snapback]1262880[/snapback]</div>
    If you're referring the part in the red circle I think its from the M10 tank destroyer.
     
  31. useful idiot

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    Then would th eblack thing connected to it be from the 8RAD?
     
  32. bcgd

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    <div class='quotetop'>(useful idiot @ Jun 17 2006, 10:27 AM) [snapback]1263198[/snapback]</div>
    Yup. Parts A 9,10.
     
  33. bcgd

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    OK guys. Your boy needs a serious pep talk. I'm so frustrated right now. I was hoping to make some progress today but every corner I turned I hit an obsticle. Figuring out the measurements for the panel templates has been a nightmare. Either they're turning out too wide or too narrow. I can't seem to figure out the right measurment so I can start cutting those out and gluing them down.

    OK, fine. so I decided to move on and start cutting out the 3 thruster bases from the Saturn V base. Cut them, sand them, they're beautiful. I trim the part on the nozzles so they'll fit... SH*T. I trimmed off too much (even after I measured). Alright, so I'll glue the thruster bases on the body so I can glue a couple of parts on. Nope looks like I'll be sanding some more because the anle is off.

    Great. Well maybe then I'll do some harvesting of parts. Then I realize that 4 kits are too small in scale which means I have to return half the kits I bought on Friday. Oh, and the part I needed barely fill my hand.....

    My buddy is casting the extra Saturn V parts I need so I can't move forward right now and I'm waiting to replenish my "Pod Funds" so I can by some more kits.

    I'm sure all of you have gone through this and I know it's my first time building something like this so I'm trying to cut myself some slack but man, it hard. I mean seriously I know I'll finish it and I know it'll look good but it'* that not fun point.

    Us creative folk can be so hard on ourselves. I hate it..

    :cry :lol :cry :lol :cry :lol :cry :confused :cry :cry :cry
     
  34. ralphee

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    Whoa, that stinks Brett on so many variables, but hell you dont need the Betty Ford just yet, at least what you have done is great work and this does happen to most of us ill bet. I get days like this and i havent even delved into a project like this, ive crushed build ups with my bare hands in frustration lol, your doing fine, breath innnnnn............and out. Seriously man, just put it down to one of those days, ive had the same deal with the speeder im working on, a whole weekend and just no progress due to things just not going my way, hang in there dude, its gonna be one amazing model, just envision what its gonna look like at the end, you can do this, hell i wanna see it finished along with everyone on here, so i know youll pull it off .
     
  35. Boba Flint

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    Don't worry about its fine. I made over 5 mockups of the Y-wing body out of foam core until I felt I had all the measurments right. Then I made one, too big... new kit parts I found proved that, so I make another all is going fine, new donor parts found, now the thing is too thick. Ugghh. After three tries I finally got it right. Getting the right measurments are the biggest pain IMO.
     
  36. star-art

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    That's a valuable lesson. And I don't mean to sound harsh, because I have been there as well. :) Many people get so excited about these projects they just want to dive in. Sometimes that means "winging it" without even having drawings, much less proper patterns. As you have just discovered, however, it's very easy to make simple mistakes that can have profound consequences as you move forward.

    With studio-scale projects more than anything else, preparation is vital because you are going to be cutting up potentially expensive kits and making castings of numerous parts (at substantial cost) to glue on your structure. As a result, you should take extra steps to make sure everything fits before you start applying parts.

    Many people don't like to bother with a mockup. I hear it all the time. But building a mockup is really mandatory for this kind of project. It allows you to test fit everything. Often you will build a mockup and discover something is off, then you have to revise your patterns and start over. Sometimes this process must be repeated several times until you are close enough to get started building the final model.

    As Boba Flint said, even then sometimes it can still be off if you are missing key parts. But as long as you have enough key pieces to lock in the key dimensions, you should be OK if you did a mockup as a "dry run" and tested the fit of everything.

    People might think it is too much trouble, but I take the time to do all of the following before I even cut my first piece of plastic:
    • Draw my own blueprints.
    • Extract patterns from the blueprints to build CG study model.
    • Render the CG model from various angles and compare to the original studio model to check for accurate proportions. This includes building CG versions of key model parts to check for fit.
    • Adjust CG study model and repeat as many times as needed to arrive at correct proportions.
    • Use finished CG study model to create final blueprints and patterns.
    • Build a mockup and double check fit.
    • Start building final model.
    If that sounds like going to a lot of trouble, it is. With simpler subjects it might sound like overkill. The upside is that when I start gluing on expensive kit parts and castings, I already know they will fit properly.

    Again, I'm saying this because I sympathize and have been there, so hope it helps. :)
     
  37. bcgd

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    Thanks guys I appreciate the support. Thanks for the pointers Star-Art. The mock up has been what I've been frustrated with. No worries. I just had to take a break and let it get fun again. My AMT Fruehauf Tanker came in the mail yesterday and I'm expecting my 1/35 Sherman Tank this week along with the M10.

    I've been busy with work, my mother coming to visit and other projects (see "Walker X-ing T-shirts" in the Junkyard) but I hope get back to the workbench after the holiday. Again guys, thanks and respect.

    Bret
     
  38. swpropmaker

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    Then again you can wait for the Studio Scale Escape Pod kit the will be out later next month... :)

    Then again youÂ’re a scratch builder and there is no easy way out for us.

    I like your spirit keep jamming. I canÂ’t tell you how many times we had to rebuild the Y Wing head (huh Dan S?) and Y canopy to match studio model. Even with exact measurements, using real kit parts reveal flaws in your plans.

    Star-Art is the man when it comes down to planning a build listen and learn this guy is the master.

    By no means is this a hijack attempt but how many times have you asked yourself during this project or any other scratch build for that matter “I sure wish there was already an accurate kit of this.”

    Keep plugging away.. man have been there. You find the kit of all kits, the part you have been hunting for years. You buy it, wait a week for it to arrive, tear at the plastic like a little kid at Christmas, pull the part off the sprue, place it on the model only to find out itÂ’s the wrong scale. Guys how many times has that happened to you. Your not alone my friend.

    You definatley have some studio scale high rollers chiming in here you should be very proud of your work so far.

    Good luck man. DonÂ’t give up.

    Steve
     
  39. bcgd

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    <div class='quotetop'>(swpropmaker @ Jun 25 2006, 11:23 AM) [snapback]1267902[/snapback]</div>
    You're timing kills me.. First you mention the kit when I'm just starting it the you mention it again just after I pick myself back up. :lol
    Seriously though, thanks. You hit the nail on the head. That's exactly what happened. At this point I'm not going for exact replica as much as 'ish".
     
  40. star-art

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    Ha. LOL :) I've come to realize that, no matter how much work you put into these things, you can only get so close. The best replicas might be 95+% there, but that last 5% can require an exponentially greater amount of effort. At some point you just have to say "close enough" and move on. Boy have I learned this lesson.

    Some might think I spend too much time designing my models and not enough time building. But what they don't realize is I am not in a hurry and I have been slowly developing my design skills. Once I have the process mastered for how to map out, blueprint, pattern and mockup a structure, I can build just about anything I want. I don't like cutting and fabricating parts, so I make all my designs in the computer and then have them laser cut, etc. So when the building does start, it goes fast.

    Except for all those $%^*@@. kit parts. Even when your structure is done, it can take years to find and apply all those little buggers. ;)
     
  41. Apophis

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    Then again you can wait for the Studio Scale Escape Pod kit the will be out later next month... :)
    So your serious about the escape pod comming out in July?...
     
  42. bcgd

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    OK. I'm back in the saddle again. Mentally that is. My day job has been keeping me busy (and my mother is visiting us :cry ) so no physical changes to the model itself with the exception of a fine layer of dust now coating it. I did recieve the following kits this week:

    M4 Sherman (correct scale this time)
    M10 Tank Destroyer with the mystery part (Thanks 1138 for the ID.)
    Fruehauf Tanker

    You veteran SS builders will appreciate this. I've learned that just because you scored a part doesn't mean your ready to get back to business. Oh no, the multiple casts of the part have to be made first. Excitement is short lived.

    BUT just to assure some of you that I haven't bailed on the pod here are some pics from last week's minimal efforts.

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    Or I "can wait for the Studio Scale Escape Pod kit that will be out later next month... " :lol
     
  43. ralphee

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    Nahhh id build it yourself buddy, your doing a fine job and why pay $$$ for someone elses work when you know your capable of pulling it off yourself. keep it up man.....lee
     
  44. MonsieurTox

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    *bump*
    Any progress ?

    [edit] Hey Apophis . Yeah I'm thinking about posting the progress of my stuff here . I don't know if what I do is great but thanks dude =) [/edit]
     
  45. Apophis

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    Hey Tox. Its time to show off your handy work dude..
    You know you do a great job on the stuff you build.
     
  46. bcgd

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    <div class='quotetop'>(MonsieurTox @ Jul 15 2006, 06:51 PM) [snapback]1281561[/snapback]</div>
    No progress lately. I've had to shift focus to house stuff. Today I worked on a landing for my deck. It was a mild 104 degrees when I wrapped it up at 11am. I thought about working on the pod but I was to fried so I watched a two-hour special on comic books on the History Channel. Next weekend, VEGAS BABY... Then it's get the front part of the house ready to reshingle and reframe the windows.

    You married guys will appreciate this. I'm basically having to build up some "credit". I worked on the pod quite a bit so now I have to do some stuff around the house to keep "The Boss" happy and earn more pod time. :rolleyes
     
  47. Dexvader

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    I am not married yet but already am working on credit.
     
  48. MonsieurTox

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    Bump

    Any updates ?
     
  49. Red Five

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    Red Five standing by... any updates? :confused
     
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  50. Howard

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    Forgive my ignorance regarding this SS model - but is the body (third stage from the top) section a common model kit part?

    Thanks.

    Howard.
     

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