WIP: Bandai 1/5000 Star Destroyer

That pre-wash technique is what I used on my PG Falcon -- only I used the Tamiya panel wash directly on the bare plastic. I didn't flood the pieces, though. That's key to avoid compromising the plastic. Just small dabs followed immediately with a pointed q-tip to wipe away any excess. I would never have thought of shoe polish though! That's brilliant!

I gotta admit, I've been on the fence about getting this kit. I've got a lot of other things on my plate. But hearing your praise and seeing your work is making me slowly... inch... my hand... toward... my wallet...
 
I am wondering why there are no larger-scale licensed Star Wars kits being produced? Surely if there is a market for large-scale (1:350) Star Trek kits, then surely there must be a market for similar larger-scale Star Wars kits?
 
I am wondering why there are no larger-scale licensed Star Wars kits being produced? Surely if there is a market for large-scale (1:350) Star Trek kits, then surely there must be a market for similar larger-scale Star Wars kits?

Bandai markets primarily to the home market. The typical Japanese apartment is something like 400 square feet...not somewhere you could display large builds.
 
That pre-wash technique is what I used on my PG Falcon -- only I used the Tamiya panel wash directly on the bare plastic.

I have not had the privilege of trying that product. When I got back into the hobby a few years ago, I only had knowledge of techniques I learned some 20- plus years ago and was unaware that there were products such as panel wash, grime layer, and so on. I think the first time I used that technique was on a model of the Batman Forever Batmobile - when I wanted to stain the chrome with some depth and a guy at the hobby store made that suggestion of shoe polish.

Surely if there is a market for large-scale (1:350) Star Trek kits, then surely there must be a market for similar larger-scale Star Wars kits?

Obviously there is a market for larger kits and most here would give their left nuts for a 1/2250 Star Destroyer. But as Guns Akimbo noted above - Bandai's bread and butter market is in Japan - and large kits are impractical for most of their customer base due to cultural living conditions there. Their business model recognizes profits coming from the West and so the best of both worlds for them is to attempt to make kits that will sell at home and abroad. The engineering and production costs to make a large kit may is a big risk if the kit does not recoup the targeted profit margin. There is also large licensing and competitive issues they have faced from companies like Revell that have sought to limit their market share in Europe and the U.S. with Lucasfilm.

As others have noted, the Zvezda/Revell 1/2700 Star Destroyer model kit may have killed the initial plans for Bandai to release a bigger kit due to concerns of saturation once Revell mass marketed the Big Z under their brand.
 
I think there is hope though for larger kits. Look at the large number of 1/12 scale figure kits they produce and the two 1/6 scale Stormtrooper kits. They may be testing the market...which hopefully will lead to more larger kits being produced.

-Jeff
 
I have not had the privilege of trying that product. When I got back into the hobby a few years ago, I only had knowledge of techniques I learned some 20- plus years ago and was unaware that there were products such as panel wash, grime layer, and so on. I think the first time I used that technique was on a model of the Batman Forever Batmobile - when I wanted to stain the chrome with some depth and a guy at the hobby store made that suggestion of shoe polish.



Obviously there is a market for larger kits and most here would give their left nuts for a 1/2250 Star Destroyer. But as Guns Akimbo noted above - Bandai's bread and butter market is in Japan - and large kits are impractical for most of their customer base due to cultural living conditions there. Their business model recognizes profits coming from the West and so the best of both worlds for them is to attempt to make kits that will sell at home and abroad. The engineering and production costs to make a large kit may is a big risk if the kit does not recoup the targeted profit margin. There is also large licensing and competitive issues they have faced from companies like Revell that have sought to limit their market share in Europe and the U.S. with Lucasfilm.

As others have noted, the Zvezda/Revell 1/2700 Star Destroyer model kit may have killed the initial plans for Bandai to release a bigger kit due to concerns of saturation once Revell mass marketed the Big Z under their brand.
I have a slightly different opinion on the matter. I spend a great deal of time in Japan and while the apartments are quite small, many Japanese model makers purchase and build large model kits. They will buy multiple pg and mega gundam kits as well as numerous 1/100 scale gundams. Many gundam kits are significantly larger than the 1/5000 ISD and some are even much larger than the 1/2700 ISD.

I think that, and I know this is a very different opinion, but I think it is because of the actual model itself. I recently saw the studio model of the avenger at star wars identities in Tokyo and was struck by how unfinished it looks on the non filming side. While this is not glaring on the 1/5000 scale kit, it is quite pronounced on the big one.

Since bandai is very much into perfection in their designs, I think it would look odd to have a larger scale model that looks very asymetric or unfinished on one side. They are scanning the actual studio models to make these kits. The millennium falcon is finished on all side but the Avenger is not. So, I just suspect that it has possibly more to do with that. I have been in so many Japanese apartments and spoken with modelers there and yes space is an issue, but if they want a large kit, they get it. Star Wars is extremely popular in Japan, well at least the original trilogy anyway, that I am sure bandai would make it larger if they thought they could do so and have a kit that is of high quality. Don't get me wrong, I love the studio model, but it is shockingly bare on one side wile the other is extremely detailed.

Also, as a side note. The studio model of the avenger was slightly damaged recently. On the bow section, it seems to have gotten badly scratched. This revealed three layers of paint. The base was black (possibly plack plastic) followed by a layer of grey and finally a layer of white. I am attaching
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a pic I took with my phone at the exhibit.
 
I think that, and I know this is a very different opinion, but I think it is because of the actual model itself. I recently saw the studio model of the avenger at star wars identities in Tokyo and was struck by how unfinished it looks on the non filming side. While this is not glaring on the 1/5000 scale kit, it is quite pronounced on the big one.

Thanks for that because that is an angle of possibility I did not consider and YES you are correct about the 'unfinished' nature of the starboard side of the entire ship. The high res ILM 8-footer reference pics and all the Identities Tour pics I have of the Avenger confirm this fact in spades.

I noted this in my own Zvezda build and simply added my own greeblies that mimic areas of the Port side to fill out the empty and blank areas that exist on the studio model. I understand that this approach was done on the EFX Devastator Star Destroyer that was sold in very limited quantities for $16,000 US. Much of that 3 foot ship was completely blank on the top and starboard side altogether. The details were on the bottom, the hangar bay, the rear engine area, and some on the port side trench. EFX just added a bunch of greeblies that are in concert with what is on the Port side to the blank areas to 'balance' out the model.

Do we think that maybe Bandai would attempt the same thing before possibly releasing this 1/5000 kit into a larger scale? Something along the lines of a PG Falcon? I have doubts about that unless you want to consider that the 1/144 and the Vehicle Model kits of the Falcon were precursors to the release of the 1/72 PG Falcon.

Also, as a side note. The studio model of the avenger was slightly damaged recently. On the bow section, it seems to have gotten badly scratched.

How sad to see.

Do you think someone at Lucasfilm might give one of us a call here at the RPF to come down to Skywalker Ranch to fix it? I would love to come down, have a look at it myself up close, take a zillion pictures and then suggest someone with more skills in restoring old kits to glory receive the commission.
 
Thanks for that because that is an angle of possibility I did not consider and YES you are correct about the 'unfinished' nature of the starboard side of the entire ship. The high res ILM 8-footer reference pics and all the Identities Tour pics I have of the Avenger confirm this fact in spades.

I noted this in my own Zvezda build and simply added my own greeblies that mimic areas of the Port side to fill out the empty and blank areas that exist on the studio model. I understand that this approach was done on the EFX Devastator Star Destroyer that was sold in very limited quantities for $16,000 US. Much of that 3 foot ship was completely blank on the top and starboard side altogether. The details were on the bottom, the hangar bay, the rear engine area, and some on the port side trench. EFX just added a bunch of greeblies that are in concert with what is on the Port side to the blank areas to 'balance' out the model.

Do we think that maybe Bandai would attempt the same thing before possibly releasing this 1/5000 kit into a larger scale? Something along the lines of a PG Falcon? I have doubts about that unless you want to consider that the 1/144 and the Vehicle Model kits of the Falcon were precursors to the release of the 1/72 PG Falcon.



How sad to see.

Do you think someone at Lucasfilm might give one of us a call here at the RPF to come down to Skywalker Ranch to fix it? I would love to come down, have a look at it myself up close, take a zillion pictures and then suggest someone with more skills in restoring old kits to glory receive the commission.
I think it all depends on how well the next star wars film does. Rogue one seemed to be really popular in Japan as was TFA, but the last jedi and Solo seemed to cause the hype and excitement to decrease a lot. Kits from the prequels and last jedi/solo clogged the shelves at hobby shops all over tokyo. Kits from the original trilogy are harder and harder to find. Scout trooper, y wing, x wing, tie advanced, etc are really hard to find in stores around Tokyo. At the same time, last jedi phasma is found ten to 20 deep.
So, I think if Rise of Skywalker does well in the Japanese market both in ticket sales as well as cultural impact, bandai might pull the trigger on some larger kits.
Another thing is that Japanese young people are increasingly losing interest in western media. On top of that, Bandai as a whole is moving toward making more smaller kits and toys. The gundam line has been hit hard by this in the last two years with so many reboxes, small or "cute" kits and fewer ver ka or PG kits. The PG Falcon came out just before the last Jedi and sold well. The 1/2 scale BB-8 is regularly on clearance over here and often gathers dust on shelves.
If I had to make a prediction, I would say we get 1-2 new kits for the next movie and the rest are reboxes or slightly retooled to match the new film. I only see them putting a larger star destroyer out if and only if Japanese excitement returns to the franchise. They already have highly detailed scans of the filming miniature.
I would be shocked if they extrapolated or added their own details. They don't tend to do stuff like that on star wars kits. They seem to want to recreate as much accuracy as they can at the time they make the mold.
I have been visiting Japan for the last 5 years and I have to say, based on my last visit, I wouldn't be shocked if the bandai star wars line is dropped after the next movie. 5 years ago, bandai star wars kits got their own aisle in stores. Now they are lucky to get an endcap if the store carries them at all. The new bandai star destroyer seems to be doing okay. Yodobashi had about 5 lighted kits when I was there and other hobby shops tended to have one or two. They seemed to be moving and not clogging shelves, or at least I hope.
I would never want to try and fix that damage. Matching the colors to 40 years of built up wear and tear would be hard to do. Having said that, I know they have a team of model builders that repair the ships when they get back. A few other models likely got damaged as well since they were in the star wars identities companion book but not on display in Japan. Maybe that or they didn't get sent to Japan for whatever reason.
 
Interesting. I also wonder when Bandai drop the Star Wars licence. It’s been a golden age of SW model kits over the past few years. But nothing lasts forever...
 
Kits from the original trilogy are harder and harder to find. Scout trooper, y wing, x wing, tie advanced, etc are really hard to find in stores around Tokyo. At the same time, last jedi phasma is found ten to 20 deep.

Noticed a similar trend on Amazon, as the price of OT kits have doubled or tripled with minimal quantities and the cost of TLJ kits are the same or reduced.

Someone informed me it was due to those kits being "out of print" - as they are not currently replenishing stock and selling through what inventory is out there. Do you think that is correct? I could see Bandai repackage their existing OT kits with TROS imagery given the return of OT ships we saw in the trailer. But who knows?

But the trend overall even here with the Hasbro/Kenner toys is about the same as you describe with the hobby shops in Tokyo. Star Wars has a few pegs for mostly those flip out lightsabers and no longer commands the 8' or 4' sections at Walmart that it used to. Given the ridiculous levels of stock they were stuck with after TLJ and Solo - I think Walmart is gonna pass on huge buys from Hasbro and carry a lighter load of stock for TROS.

That said , who knows what the Disney+ streaming service with the Mandalorian and Resistance and Clone Wars might bring in terms of renewed interest and possible new kits from those shows.

I have been visiting Japan for the last 5 years and I have to say, based on my last visit, I wouldn't be shocked if the bandai star wars line is dropped after the next movie.

If TROS has a lukewarm reception, Bandai might attempt to renegotiate their license agreement with Lucasfilm for a lower fee, and that may determine if Bandai sticks with selling Star Wars kits or if they let the license go and they stop producing them. It has been a great run with Bandai and I am glad they produced what they have. Their kits are proudly displayed in my collection.
 
It could just be production cycles - not every kit is going to be produced at volume all the time, they need the factories producing quite a number of kits and only so many production slots available.

Still, I am getting all the Bandai Star Wars kits I can when I can so I do not miss out if things change. Ilearned a long time ago you can't stand in front of something twice...
 
I just bought this kit and I'm amazed at how it's injection molded. The level of detail is incredible!
 
Bandai has some of the most advanced mold casting I have ever seen. Aside from the four piece slide molding I find the way they can actually cast multi color parts. Not the different colors on a single sprue, but like casting the eyes of General Grievous with pupils and irises in the single part...
 
Still, I am getting all the Bandai Star Wars kits I can when I can so I do not miss out if things change. Ilearned a long time ago you can't stand in front of something twice...

+1

I have a couple of unbuilt Finemolds TIE fighter & TIE/i, wonder if they'll be worth anything lol.
 
Noticed a similar trend on Amazon, as the price of OT kits have doubled or tripled with minimal quantities.

Funnily enough I was checking amazon UK last night and noticed the exact opposite. OT kits were cheaper than I’d seen them in a long time. Only a few of the 1/12 character seemed priced higher than usual.


Mandalorian and Resistance and Clone Wars might bring in terms of renewed interest and possible new kits from those shows.

I’m guessing Bandai would need to negotiate a deal with Disney to produce kits based on these shows, as to this day they haven’t produced a single kit that’s not from the movies. I was really hoping to see a Ghost at some point but never thought it was realistic due to exactly this. Would be amazing if they started making kits from ancillary material though.
 
It could just be production cycles - not every kit is going to be produced at volume all the time, they need the factories producing quite a number of kits and only so many production slots available.
^This.

Bandai just have way too many kits to reprint, not only the Star Wars ones. Fortunately, Bandai knows that these shortages are hurting their profits, so few months ago they announced that they factory will get bigger, partially due to the plans of expansion on western markets. I hope that means more SW and Gundam Wing kits :p
 
PRE-SHADING

Because the details are so fine and the scale is small, I am worried about too much softening of them with a coat of primer followed by a base coat, followed by panel highlights and wash enhancements. So I have decided to make my primer, my base coat and apply only a thin coat at that. I'll be adding a few drops of machine grey to the white Stynylrez to create a more off-white ILM filming model appearance than a deeper grey on-film appearance, and a few drops of Future/Pledge floor care to achieve a matte finish direct from the airbrush.

So that plan necessitated that I pre-shade the kit, rather than paint and then go in with a wash to bring out the fine details in the hopes that the subtlety will be enough to sell the details without overpowering and create the illusion that the studio lighting achieved without washes on the ILM filming model.

So because I was pre-shading on bare plastic with a water-based wash - I decided to use black shoe polish with some added water to create the wash because I knew that the shoe polish also had dye properties that would discolor the plastic slightly without too much beading that you couldn't get with a simple acrylic wash. And WOW! That brought out the details that are frankly STUNNING. Again - DEAD-BALLS ACCURATE to the ILM filming model at scale:

Hi Invar - thanks for starting this thread and sharing your progress. I got mine in the mail yesterday and am itching to start but plan to watch a few folks complete their builds before diving into mine! I wanted to learn more about the approach you plan to take. I like the idea to pre-shade with the wash/filter you've done in this post. Sounds like you're going to paint with the shades mentioned above. Do you plan to do anything next after painting or do you think the pre-shade plus paint alone will achieve what you are after. I know with Star Destroyer builds it's common to mask off some of the "panels" to try and get slightly different shades around the hull but at this scale I'm not sure if that is an approach I (or others) want to take. Anywho, would love to hear what you have in mind for your build end-to-end if you have time. Thanks!
 
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