JoMamma_Smurf
Master Member
How has this not happened yet?!?! Dude isn't even trying and it's haunting.
Willem Dafoe as The Joker. HOLY CRAP!
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sztriki
Sr Member
There's been a lot of photoshopped stuff floating around with him. For some reason Joker these days need to have facepaint and be a somber madman with anarchic philosophy...
I always preferred the guy whose skin was bleached by chemicals and did the sickest weird stuff just to amuse himself, had a sense of humour and was equally scary and funny. Dafoe could pull it off easily.
I always preferred the guy whose skin was bleached by chemicals and did the sickest weird stuff just to amuse himself, had a sense of humour and was equally scary and funny. Dafoe could pull it off easily.
Paul Andrew
Master Member
That is creepy AF. I dig it.
That’s a great question.
Such a shame that the makers of Spider-Man had this guy cast as the Green Goblin and chose to cover up his face with a Power Rangers villain’s helmet.
Yikes!
Egon Spengler
Master Member
I'm not usually about actors and age, but the guy is 65 years old. The Joker shouldn't be that old. Why is it so hard to do a more comic accurate Joker?
patrickivan
Sr Member
Ya. I'm finding them to be a little tiring. Heath's was too full of stupid look at me monologues. That weird Joker in Suicide squad was okay in mannerisms, but didn't have the look.
I wasn't a massive fan of the joker movie, but the end result was so far my favorite Joker.
And the Burton Joker with Jack would be fantastic if it weren't for 80's music, and cheese. Though Keeton is my fav Batman out of all the movies.
I'm sure many will disagree.
I still wonder why Hollywood has ignored the idea of doing THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS. That book series was perfect for actors at the age of Keaton and Dafoe. An aging "old man" Batman, pulled from retirement. He is in pain, but he pushes on to fight crime again. Damn.... that could be a perfect movie.A noire Batman film set in the late 40s with Keaton and Dafoe as aging nemeses.... I'd give it a watch!
Bigdaddy
Master Member
Burton's Joker worked for a Burton universe but frankly, Ceasar Romero was probably the closest visually to the comics. Most comic book characters don't really work well for live action without some reworking or a "comic book" universe to reside in.
People my age (50ish) that grew up with these guys in comics and cartoons are destined to be disappointed with "new" takes on our favorite heroes and villains.
It's bound to be an issue with characters that have been constantly rebooted for 75yrs. Maybe there's some 80 year old complaining that Superman isn't fighting Nazis and strong arming women like he did in the "good old days"!
People my age (50ish) that grew up with these guys in comics and cartoons are destined to be disappointed with "new" takes on our favorite heroes and villains.
It's bound to be an issue with characters that have been constantly rebooted for 75yrs. Maybe there's some 80 year old complaining that Superman isn't fighting Nazis and strong arming women like he did in the "good old days"!
CT1138
Sr Member
I've always loved the idea of Dafoe as a Joker, though I've always been partial to Billy Zane as Lex Luthor as well. Dafoe's psychoticism as a crazed old lighthouse keeper in "The Lighthouse" foiled perfectly with Pattinson, and I think it'd be amazing to see Dafoe take up the mantle as the Joker by playing an older Arthur Fleck.
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weaselflinger
Sr Member
I used to hope each Joker that came along would be THE perfect Joker. Now I kind of like the idea that they're all Joker. Even the versions I don't like.
Dafoe as Joker is a no-brainer though. Especially if they did a live action Dark Knight story.
Dafoe as Joker is a no-brainer though. Especially if they did a live action Dark Knight story.
RedheadKevin
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I liked a lot about Leto's Joker. He had the "crazy gangster" version of the character down as well as Nicholson, but he lacked any humor. He didn't joke. He was just a pure, scary clown like Pennywise. Hell, he was barely a clown at all. Just a really pasty-faced guy. Romero had the humor, but his schemes were too silly for the 21st century. My favorite version of the Joker was B:TAS. THAT'S what the Joker should be. He commits horrific crimes, BECAUSE IT'S FUNNY (to him.) Modern writers forget that part, and just make him Tyler Durden in makeup, spouting anti-establishment rhetoric that could be delivered by ANY character. Even Phoenix's Joker could have been separate from the Batman universe, and it would have been the same movie about a bullying victim who snapped.
I've said it in another thread and I'll say it here again, but I really hate this trend of removing "super" from "super-heroes," and even more so, "super-villains."
There's a real visceral difference in grounding something in a reality and grounding it in the mundane. The latter deflating everything special about the fantastic and while it becomes more "real", it's utterly boring. The fact is this: supers cannot exist in a "real" setting. Every little thing can break the suspension of disbelief. People see these types of movies to be brought out of reality, not to be smacked around the face and neck with it. Worst is when these films are just dark and covered in filth and it's called "gritty" and supposed to be more "real" in context. What nonsense.
The Joker is a prime example of this for me. With each iteration that's come out in the last 20 years, he just becomes more and more of "a guy." A guy with make-up and a grudge. It makes him boring! It strips everything that makes him savory as a character. Yeah, in theory, anybody could "be the Joker" and that's scary in that limited regard, but that really deflates his whole reasoning for existing as a foil to Batman. He then becomes a foil for the average joe rather than an arch-villain. If that's the case, then why make these movies at all if you're gonna strip the fantasy from them? Just make a thriller or drama without these people.
I'm not saying these films can't be grounded or presented in a reality we the audience can empathize with, but they most certainly can't be seen in a "real" context. The premise just can't support it.
There's a real visceral difference in grounding something in a reality and grounding it in the mundane. The latter deflating everything special about the fantastic and while it becomes more "real", it's utterly boring. The fact is this: supers cannot exist in a "real" setting. Every little thing can break the suspension of disbelief. People see these types of movies to be brought out of reality, not to be smacked around the face and neck with it. Worst is when these films are just dark and covered in filth and it's called "gritty" and supposed to be more "real" in context. What nonsense.
The Joker is a prime example of this for me. With each iteration that's come out in the last 20 years, he just becomes more and more of "a guy." A guy with make-up and a grudge. It makes him boring! It strips everything that makes him savory as a character. Yeah, in theory, anybody could "be the Joker" and that's scary in that limited regard, but that really deflates his whole reasoning for existing as a foil to Batman. He then becomes a foil for the average joe rather than an arch-villain. If that's the case, then why make these movies at all if you're gonna strip the fantasy from them? Just make a thriller or drama without these people.
I'm not saying these films can't be grounded or presented in a reality we the audience can empathize with, but they most certainly can't be seen in a "real" context. The premise just can't support it.
sztriki
Sr Member
Since everyone's chipping in, my favourite Joker was the Mask of the Phantasm and Return of the Joker ones. Arkham Joker was the right personality although visually didn't quite work for me the stickman style. I also really like Nicholson's.
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Sybernettik
Active Member
I really hope they cast him as the next Joker to face off with Robert Pattinson. I also hope they take their time with it. Maybe show a hint of his existence in a sequel and finally make him the main villain in the final of a Pattinson trilogy
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