Cephus
Master Member
Although, Into the Spiderverse was really, really good. Just sayin'.
Why 99% Of Movies Today Are Garbage
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Although, Into the Spiderverse was really, really good. Just sayin'.
Cephus
Master Member
First movie was great, it's been going downhill since then.
Cephus
Master Member
Can't please everyone.
MattBlack
Well-Known Member
This makes me sad. There are boatloads of great material out there in all those categories. If you're not seeing it, you're not looking in the right places.
I'm in my forties, my friends of the same age often make the same complaints as yours and all of them use the mainstream channels to discover/listen/watch culture and art, and that's where they are all going wrong. If you rely on the mainstream for your culture, you're going to get the lowest common denominator entertainment. The stuff that's meant to appeal to everyone, that's safe and bland to generate the most revenue. That's obviously going to be the case in every category.
If you go deeper than that and use less known channels, you're going to find some incredible stuff. If you look for comics from Marvel or DC you're going to be disappointed. If you reply on the mainstream charts for music, you're going to be disappointed. If you look for films in the multiplex you're going to get the generic stuff.
I've discovered some excellent bands in the last 3 or 4 years that never ever bother the charts or radio. They're new, exciting and putting out great work. They're touring next year and I'm pumped to see them.
I use a number of subreddits to find out about bands, films, tv and such, and there are lots of people happy to recommend great things.
It's like The A-Team - you got to find them.
Regarding even the mainstream stuff though, there's good material out there: The TV comment is particularly confusing - especially as it's universally agreed that we're in a golden era of TV making. I mean, just in the UK alone, you've got: Fleabag, Broadchurch, Killing Eve, Peaky Blinders, Black Mirror, I May Destroy You, Staged... to name but a few. There have been some excellent films out in the last 5 years also - Relic, The Sound of Metal, Mogul Mowgli, Nomadland, Three Billboards Outside Ebbing Missouri etc.
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I agree. There's definitely quality material out there to be found. But isn't that the problem? That we have to find it now when it used to be at the forefront?
I forgot about comics. I might just be old but the newer art styles just don't appeal to me at all.
Certainly there's fine movies out there and not just from the Indie world. Hollywood can still make good movies. I thought Ford vs Ferrari was one of the better movies in recent memory. But it's so much rarer now.
I do have to disagree with you about TV though. I'm familiar with a couple of the shows you listed but not the rest. They're all Netflix type drama series I'm guessing? I'll grant you there's a bountiful amount of those but what about other genres? We're definitely not in the golden age of sitcoms. Late night talk shows? They're unwatchable now. Game shows? Have there been any new ones in recent years? Discovery Ch, History Ch, Food Network, Cartoon Network, Animal Planet, all had much better programming than they do now. I used to be able to watch any of those channels from morning to night and enjoy it. Sports? The great announcers of yesteryear are all gone. ESPN is more about punditry now. And while I've outgrown it, it breaks my heart that Saturday morning cartoons are no longer a thing for kids.
I don't know. Maybe it's just not for me anymore. For example I much prefer one episode stand alone stories over season long ones but most shows aren't like that anymore. I used to love winding down with an episode of Star Trek or MacGyver. Or Columbo and Magnum P.I.. Nowadays I hardly watch TV at all. Ah maybe I'm better off. I actually have time to finish some of these props I have laying around
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CT1138
Sr Member
The tastes of the general public generally... suck. Considering how much money the Bayformer movies made, I don't think the tastes of the general public should be take into consideration of what an actually "well made" movie is.
Personally, I liked the second better than the first myself.
Don't like the MCU but don't dislike it either. I've seen three of them and they were all alright.
That said, some of the greatest movie moments of all time revolved around political messages. The greatest Star Trek series without political messaging wouldn't be Star Trek. The over the top preachy crap? Ya, I can do without that (Looking at YOU Avatar) but in general some of my favourite entertainment revolves around real world issues.
That said, some of the greatest movie moments of all time revolved around political messages. The greatest Star Trek series without political messaging wouldn't be Star Trek. The over the top preachy crap? Ya, I can do without that (Looking at YOU Avatar) but in general some of my favourite entertainment revolves around real world issues.
CT1138
Sr Member
As for the MCU discussion, I got bored with it sometime after the first Avengers movie in 2012. After that I started seeing only the ones I wanted to see in theaters instead of all of them. It became tedious to have to follow it and keep track of it all. Now? I'm just sick of superheroes in general.
Paul Andrew
Master Member
Forum dedicated to how much we love movies develops multiple threads about how movies are bad actually.
At least I found the ST entertaining, PT though even my kids don't want to watch.
AnubisGuard
Master Member
Well, there's political and then there's political, if you catch my drift. Being relevant is fine but I think what a lot of people are feeling is that the desire for relevance has trumped being entertaining. The use of what's now called "strong female characters" in Alien vs. in Avengers: Endgame is a good example. Ripley is beloved because she's first and foremost a well-written character, but her "strong female character"-ness speaks to the movie's larger themes of sexual trauma, birth, body horror, and masculinity vs. femininity. It's a whole package; you get a great ride from start to finish.
Endgame on the other hand drops its "girl power" scene out of nowhere. These women haven't done much special up to that point, it's not connected to any of the themes or ideas the movie was using, and none of them even have any special connection with Peter Parker/Spiderman, so it's not like it's paying off a character arc or something. It's pure pandering and people can sense it. I think people just go "eeew, political" because it's easier than articulating the story reasons this stuff feels condescending and cheap.
Forum dedicated to how much we love movies develops multiple threads about how movies are bad actually.
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Well, I think we have to realize that as costs have gone up, risk aversion has gone up, and markets have expanded out of greed and necessity, which creates a target audience for most big budget films that is now the lowest common denominator.
The bigger the budget, the broader the audience, and the lower the bar goes…
Who is this target audience? Basically, it’s anyone whose mastery of the English language includes iterations of the phrase “Hey, I think I ‘seen’…”.
“Hey, I think I seen that one with The Rock…”
“Hey, I think I seen that one where Luke gets his hand chopped off…”
“Hey, I think I seen that ‘Star Track’ where they stick those bugs in those guys’ ears…”
Hey, I think I seen that one where Rambo shoots those guys…”
It’s anyone who bases their movie watching needs on what they recognize and what they can understand without having to think too hard…which is a very low bar. “If I wanna think I’d go to school not to the movie house...”
So, you get very dumbed-down plots, very simplistic marketing ploys, and endless sequels and remakes. You would be surprised how many people in the general audience want to see the same plot, the same characters, and the same stories over and over again on rinse and repeat. “People think movie business don’t be like it is, but it do.”
Hey, by the way, did you all catch the trailer to F9??? It looks so awesome. Spoilers: they drive the cars fast and it’s all about being a family…again.
I definitely want to “seen” it:
The bigger the budget, the broader the audience, and the lower the bar goes…
Who is this target audience? Basically, it’s anyone whose mastery of the English language includes iterations of the phrase “Hey, I think I ‘seen’…”.
“Hey, I think I seen that one with The Rock…”
“Hey, I think I seen that one where Luke gets his hand chopped off…”
“Hey, I think I seen that ‘Star Track’ where they stick those bugs in those guys’ ears…”
Hey, I think I seen that one where Rambo shoots those guys…”
It’s anyone who bases their movie watching needs on what they recognize and what they can understand without having to think too hard…which is a very low bar. “If I wanna think I’d go to school not to the movie house...”
So, you get very dumbed-down plots, very simplistic marketing ploys, and endless sequels and remakes. You would be surprised how many people in the general audience want to see the same plot, the same characters, and the same stories over and over again on rinse and repeat. “People think movie business don’t be like it is, but it do.”
Hey, by the way, did you all catch the trailer to F9??? It looks so awesome. Spoilers: they drive the cars fast and it’s all about being a family…again.
I definitely want to “seen” it:
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Forum dedicated to how much we love movies develops multiple threads about how movies are bad actually.
Counter-intuitively, that's a sign on how much we love the movies. We want to see them do better and more than roll around in its own filth.
Cephus
Master Member
The problem that I have is that as the movies go on, they become more and more ridiculous. John Wick was an assassin who went after people who pissed him off. After that, the entire planet were assassins and it turned into a giant absurdly unrealistic conspiracy theory where the Table effectively ran the world.
Why would anyone need that many assassins? Who the hell are they going to kill?
AnubisGuard
Master Member
Cephus
Master Member
Your suspension of disbelief.
I think that's already dead and buried at this point.
HeartBlade
Sr Member
I think John Wick suffered from the lack of planning and higher stakes issue that made the third one just bad imo.
i dont think John Wick started out as a franchise but a one off cool gun-fu movie. People loved it, studios wanted more, and a sequel. 2 arguably works because it doesnt balloon out too much. Wick’s past catches up to him and he needs to deal with it.
the cliffhanger and 3 is where it goes wrong. The far too many assassins, Wick essentially turning from talented assassin to super hero, and some forced comedy. Maybe the writers felt they needed to make the stakes bigger by getting more people involved but it killed the story as a result.
Back to the movies, i do think people are unfair on the MCU since the MCU was arguably a very original idea and a risky proposition that paid off. Beginning the MCU was iron man, thor, and captain america. Hulk was a trash movie and these guys are b-tier in terms of popularity (they arnt Batman, Superman, or Spiderman). The actors were also not well known stars but relative nobodies or high risk (RDJ).
the MCU also continued to take risks such as creating the avengers movie and expanding by including really unknown characters like the guardians. They also tried to mix up their stories a little bit, notably the captain americas. I do think their time in the sun is at an end but they pulled off something quite amazing on a grand scale even if each individual movie isnt a work of art.
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