What'd you notice about Star Wars THIS time?

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Inquisitor Peregrinus

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The book doesn't count. What IN THE FILM indicates they're at the pole? The equatorial trench is the only trench we ever see in wide shots.



 

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Riceball

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Correct on the WWII inspiration, but they certainly could have done the maneuver. Or did you miss the Falcon backing out of the hangar while doing a 180?

Along the X or Z axis is no problem but along the Y would be trickier unless you kept the ship upside down. I suppose that the X-Wings could have simply rotated along the X axis but I'm not sure that the trench was wide enough for them to do that without coming really close to the trench walls, flipping the nose up and back would be easier and could have been done by mounting the miniature on the side but then you'd have to keep it upside down I would think because the mount would wind up on the other side (on the same side as the camera) when you rotated the ship upright.
 

Inquisitor Peregrinus

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The big problem with fixing things for the Special Edition became time and resources. Lucas had initially wanted to re-release Star Wars for its 20th anniversary. When he found the negatives so badly deteriorated, it led to a massive cleanup and scanning of the entire film. That's when he decided to go in and digitally "fix" the things he hadn't been able to do right the first time round, by his lights. And there wasn't a lot of time to do it if he wanted to make the anniversary. But Fox got wind of his "Special Edition" project and told him to do all three. He didn't want to, but they insisted or they wouldn't release any. So the team working on Star Wars suddenly was split doing three films' worth of restoration and tweaks, and Star Wars' Special Edition ended up about half-done. The Jabba scene (which shouldn't have been put in) looks unfinished, all the X-Wings at the Battle of Yavin have Red 2's markings, have Luke flying them, and have R2-D2 in the droid socket, and a bunch of stuff (like fixing Obi-Wan's death) never even was gotten to.

And because of his ADD, he forgot some the things that still needed fixing when he mucked about with them more for the '04 DVD release.

--Jonah
 

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astroboy

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The big problem with fixing things for the Special Edition became time and resources. Lucas had initially wanted to re-release Star Wars for its 20th anniversary. When he found the negatives so badly deteriorated, it led to a massive cleanup and scanning of the entire film. That's when he decided to go in and digitally "fix" the things he hadn't been able to do right the first time round, by his lights. And there wasn't a lot of time to do it if he wanted to make the anniversary. But Fox got wind of his "Special Edition" project and told him to do all three. He didn't want to, but they insisted or they wouldn't release any. So the team working on Star Wars suddenly was split doing three films' worth of restoration and tweaks, and Star Wars' Special Edition ended up about half-done. The Jabba scene (which shouldn't have been put in) looks unfinished, all the X-Wings at the Battle of Yavin have Red 2's markings, have Luke flying them, and have R2-D2 in the droid socket, and a bunch of stuff (like fixing Obi-Wan's death) never even was gotten to.

And because of his ADD, he forgot some the things that still needed fixing when he mucked about with them more for the '04 DVD release.

--Jonah
What do you mean by "fix obi wan's death"?

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Inquisitor Peregrinus

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It was initially planned to have a CG-ed Alec-Guinness-in-a-cloak to match the immediately -preceding shot:



...to replace the cape-on-a-string that they'd had to resort to in 1976:



So we'd see Obi-Wan fade out and the cloak crumple as his body left it. I know AdyWan knew about that and was looking at doing that for his project, but I can't remember if he actually did or not.

--Jonah
 

Laspector

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AdyWan's edit is what I truly consider The Special Edition. It is the only one I ever watch anymore. I agree with about 96% of everything he did. I could nit pick a few things, but what's the point. I am interested in seeing his complete TESB edit, but from what I have seen on other sites, it seems he has fallen into George's same trap. Instead of fixing things, it's like now he is making way too many changes just for the sake of change. There are things I have seen in his TESB edit that are just preposterous and totally uncalled for.
 

PHArchivist

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Wow. I'd always taken that zoom in as an abstraction; it didn't occur to me that the blown up detail was in a precise place. But there it is on one of those lines I've always ignored, which could very well be trenches. Very interesting.

And it is very clear in the Falcon's arrival to the DS just how large the equatorial trench is.

It houses two to three rows (stacked vertically) of cavernous landing bays, many of which are larger than the bay the Falcon was brought into. If the DS landing bays are three to five stories in height, and (to be conservative) if there are only TWO stacked vertically in the trench, thats 8-10 stories right there, plus the distance above, below, and between the bays which (for each) is also about 3-5 stories minimum (really, closer to ten), so another 10-15 stories there.

So all tolled, the Equatorial trench is easily 20-25 stories tall, if not more (possibly as much as 50 to 75 stories tall). The height of a respectable skyscraper...

The exhaust port trench barely had room for three X-Wings to maneuver within. Pretty tight.

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LrdSatyr8

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AdyWan's edit is what I truly consider The Special Edition. It is the only one I ever watch anymore. I agree with about 96% of everything he did. I could nit pick a few things, but what's the point. I am interested in seeing his complete TESB edit, but from what I have seen on other sites, it seems he has fallen into George's same trap. Instead of fixing things, it's like now he is making way too many changes just for the sake of change. There are things I have seen in his TESB edit that are just preposterous and totally uncalled for.

Like what? I haven't seen any of his new stuff... I saw a few of the changes he had posted on YT awhile back, but I have been wondering what's taking him so long with this one. It's been what... 10 years now since his first edit of ANH... You'd think he would have had enough time to have finished ESB by now. But I agree with you... his ANH is what the Special Edition should have been! It's the only one I will watch anymore!
 

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dascoyne

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So in the ANH lightsaber duel, for a moment, didn't it seem like Obi Wan's weapon was running low on batteries? It's before the scene cuts and he does two flicks with his wrist and his lightsaber looks like it's starting to fail. When I was a kid I thought it meant the saber is powered in part by the force and that his powers were waning. What's the deal with that? Was it ever addressed/explained?
 

Laspector

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Like what? I haven't seen any of his new stuff... I saw a few of the changes he had posted on YT awhile back, but I have been wondering what's taking him so long with this one. It's been what... 10 years now since his first edit of ANH... You'd think he would have had enough time to have finished ESB by now. But I agree with you... his ANH is what the Special Edition should have been! It's the only one I will watch anymore!

Like changing the FX in the asteroid chase, adding the big spider to Dagobah, redoing the whole Han in carbonite just to fix the shirt--stuff like that.
 

robn1

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So in the ANH lightsaber duel, for a moment, didn't it seem like Obi Wan's weapon was running low on batteries? It's before the scene cuts and he does two flicks with his wrist and his lightsaber looks like it's starting to fail. When I was a kid I thought it meant the saber is powered in part by the force and that his powers were waning. What's the deal with that? Was it ever addressed/explained?

Effects glitch, the animated glowing blade dropped in brightness for some reason. And at that angle the physical blade couldn't reflect light to be glowing on camera.
 

Treadwell

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So in the ANH lightsaber duel, for a moment, didn't it seem like Obi Wan's weapon was running low on batteries? It's before the scene cuts and he does two flicks with his wrist and his lightsaber looks like it's starting to fail. When I was a kid I thought it meant the saber is powered in part by the force and that his powers were waning. What's the deal with that? Was it ever addressed/explained?

The prop blades in ANH were covered with a reflective material, which they later decided to cover with animation. When the length of the blade was to camera, the lights they set up for the purpose would reflect brightly into camera. When the saber was pointed more or less at the camera, as it was in this shot, the light did not reflect well at all. Originally, for some reason, they didn't animate a blade over it for this shot. They later did for DVD....but even then, the lack originally photographed brightness still has an effect (or lack thereof).
 

Howlrunner

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I always thought that the title "Return of the Jedi" referred to Luke. It wasn't until I recently read a comment written by Luke in "The Book of Sith" that I realised that the title actually refers to a different Jedi - Vader!

[I know, Lucas originally had the title "Revenge" and then decided that Jedi don't seek revenge (meaning that it was referring to Luke), but it also totally works that Vader was a Jedi, stopped being one, and then in this movie finally redeems himself and returns to being the Jedi that he was]
 

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astroboy

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I always thought that the title "Return of the Jedi" referred to Luke. It wasn't until I recently read a comment written by Luke in "The Book of Sith" that I realised that the title actually refers to a different Jedi - Vader!

[I know, Lucas originally had the title "Revenge" and then decided that Jedi don't seek revenge (meaning that it was referring to Luke), but it also totally works that Vader was a Jedi, stopped being one, and then in this movie finally redeems himself and returns to being the Jedi that he was]
Great thought.

I was thinking the other day that during empire, when Yoda says, "no. There is another" he may not have been referring to Leia at point.

He may have been referring to the possibility that vader might redeem himself

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Wolfsburg

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I always thought that the title "Return of the Jedi" referred to Luke. It wasn't until I recently read a comment written by Luke in "The Book of Sith" that I realised that the title actually refers to a different Jedi - Vader!

[I know, Lucas originally had the title "Revenge" and then decided that Jedi don't seek revenge (meaning that it was referring to Luke), but it also totally works that Vader was a Jedi, stopped being one, and then in this movie finally redeems himself and returns to being the Jedi that he was]

Eh, I guess technically he does return but then he immediately dies thereafter. I think I like the Luke interpretation better since he represents the future of the Jedi and their return in a broader sense. Or he was supposed to at least. The events of TFA make me think something might've gone askew...
 

Darth Lars

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But then why did the MF come in like a missile and take out Vader and his escorts? Inquiring minds would like to know! ;)
He came out of the same direction as the sun, so the gunners and TIE fighter pilots could not see him without getting blinded. That is another old trick from WWII dogfights.

I always thought that the title "Return of the Jedi" referred to Luke. It wasn't until I recently read a comment written by Luke in "The Book of Sith" that I realised that the title actually refers to a different Jedi - Vader!
Even since childhood, I have always thought that the title referred not to any specific Jedi but to "The Jedi" in plural form.
Luke was the first of the new Jedi, who was supposed to ressurrect the Jedi order.
 
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LrdSatyr8

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Effects glitch, the animated glowing blade dropped in brightness for some reason. And at that angle the physical blade couldn't reflect light to be glowing on camera.

If I'm not mistaken the "blades" were just dowels covered in reflective paint (like th paint you see in highway signs). Then the camera had a ring of spotlights around the lens so that when it was filmed the light shined back into the camera to make it appear as if it was glowing... but the tips weren't as coated and kinda broke the illusion. Also one thing that they did and you can see it in ANH is they tried to avoid actually showing the blade turn on and extend. But when Kenobi lit his sword during the battle against Vader, they told him to stand still and just point the blade toward the camera and then slowly rotate his wrist to make it appear as if the blade was extending from the hilt. It worked.
 

PHArchivist

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I think I like the Luke interpretation better since he represents the future of the Jedi and their return in a broader sense. Or he was supposed to at least. The events of TFA make me think something might've gone askew...

Even since childhood, I have always thought that the title referred not to any specific Jedi but to "The Jedi" in plural form.
Luke was the first of the new Jedi, who was supposed to ressurrect the Jedi order.

Agree with both these points.

Canon or not, I'm not an adherant to George's revisionist history...
 

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