What is the next progression of media?

Discussion in 'Entertainment and Movie Talk' started by Timey Wimey, Sep 13, 2015.

  1. Timey Wimey

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    Entertainment and Movie talk is easier to talk about than costuming with the average person and I happen to enjoy talking about it so I'm planning on making threads about broad subjects in my mind.
    An analogy I use for this topic are iPhones. No-one is anticipating what is to an iPhone what an iPhone is to a phone. We just anticipate the iPhone 2. I'm positive there are plenty of Apple dislikers out there and that an iPhone 2 under a different name has already been released but I always wonder...
    What comes after what we already have?
    I really can't comprehend anything that'd catch on. Especially when discarding the Science Fiction tropes that answer similar Questions... but even those I don't think would fit.
    A definition of a noteworthy escalation has to be provided as well. I don't think making movies holographic is really an iPhone but more of an iPhone 2 but I do however think switching from audio to audio visual is indeed an iPhone. It needs to be different enough that it would require a new name.

    I'm guessing it evolves from a need for communication.
    First actions, then drawings, text, recordings, simulations... what's next?
    One could go more Specific and differentiate things like Radio, Television and Film.
    The latter would make this an easier task.

    I like to think that the progression of technology defines how we perceive the universe and I wonder if that can be applied to this. Quantum physics (which I have not studied but just have questioned enthusiasts of (excuse my lack of knowledge and poor analogies)) feels like the internet to me. Nothing is definitive or Solid and only exists as a whole when it is a collaboration. This I think is a contrast to the idea of solid media or solid objects in general wherein everything always exists at once.
    This might be irrelevant but I'm hoping there is a correlation between the evolution of Media and computers in the same why I've drawn correlations between computers and the laws that govern existence.

    I recall Futurama having good examples on possible future media.
     
  2. Laspector

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    I will be glad when they can incorporate Holodeck technology into porn sites.........just saying....
     
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  3. dascoyne

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    I don't. I know myself.
    I'd put on Kate Bekinsale, Irene Jacob, Eva Green or(and?) Priyanka Chopra and end up retreating from life.
     
  4. The Mad Professor

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    I would like to see a widespread incorporation of graphene into the telecommunications industry, making devices lighter, thinner, tougher, and more flexible. It's estimated that it would take the weight of a grown elephant applied to the point of a pencil to pierce a sheet of graphene as thick as the average sheet of saran wrap. Graphene would also allow for monitors and televisions to be incorporated directly into places you wouldn't expect, such as mirrors, windows, and curved surfaces. Useful if you want to catch the news while shaving in the morning.

    I'd also like to see telecom and the internet fully merged into one industry to allow for what many people are already doing: Watching TV on their home computers and smartphones or using their home televisions as computer monitors.
     
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  5. dascoyne

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    Ultimately we will evolve away from "devices" altogether. Technology would be ambient, pervasive and invisible. e.g. lights triggered by gesture, entertainment conjured by command. We will live in an infrastructure of technology without the need for tangible devices or tech.
     
  6. Timey Wimey

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    That is what I was thinking about when discussing the progression of how we perceive the Universe. I don't really believe in any actual tangibility but it's hard to perceive. I'm guessing we'll have just the idea of how if something can happen it has happened and then something physical to limit what we take in. How would that fit in with entertainment? Would this mere technology take away the need for content creators &/or would it bring the story to a part of our Daily lives?
     
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    What are the famous Sci-Fi inventions? I'm still thinking of Futurama mainly but now Total Recall. Are anything in those plausible to have demand for? Of course the holo deck is another option.
     
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    It sounds like you know your stuff. Carbon Nanotubes and Graphene have a big link don't they?
     
  9. The Mad Professor

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    Considering that carbon nanotubes are essentially made of graphene, I would say so.
     
  10. Timey Wimey

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    Can you see the extended use of carbon allotropes effecting the media, in addition to the technology we consume our media?
     
  11. The Mad Professor

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    Considering that graphene and carbon nanotubes exhibit conductive and thermal properties that are, to put it mildly, insane, yes.

    Theoretically, you could lay out a circuit using graphene, embed it in a non-conductive transparent medium, and you will have a completely transparent screen that acts as its own computer system. I don't need to tell you the huge number of applications this could have. You will see everything from HUDs in cars to ultra-thin, ultra-portable computers that you can quite literally fold up and put in your pocket.

    Carbon nanotubes also have their uses, especially in the construction of ruggedized gear for military and industrial use. We're talking being able to take gear into a highly dangerous zone that we couldn't before due to the risk of explosion or damage.

    Because of graphene and carbon nanotubes, the door is open to further and further miniaturization of electronics and circuits, which means more power per square inch. Eventually, this will translate into cameras so small that they can go unnoticed, audio equipment with enough fidelity to fool even the best ears, completely photorealistic graphics indistinguishable from reality to the naked eye, and a host of other huge improvements. The kind of computational power that could arise from this is mind-boggling. Comparing that kind of tech to today's supercomputers would be like comparing today's supercomputers to the abacus. Eventually even the thinnest, most lightweight devices today will seem clunky and outmoded.

    That said, there will always be a market for the big and clunky, especially from people like myself who actually prefer the feel and weight of something in their hands.
     
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  13. Betamin

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    Watching TNG with Counselor Troi in the holodeck, I thought "Yeah, that would be me." :lol
     
  14. The Mad Professor

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    You go right ahead. I'll be making time with Summer Glau, Paige Turco, Alexandra Daddario, and Rose Leslie.
     
  15. Timey Wimey

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    The problem with these is that it all involves creating your own stories. Someone would just be paid to program any series of possible scenarios. I tried to avoid saying video games because I prefer having no choice in the events of something I did not create (even if they are minor). Ironically (is it though?) I spend most of my time thinking about how I wish I could take control on the kinds of movies in my other thread. Do you guys really think the future of media is going to be similar to having no plot and just actors? I wouldn't mind the idea of being tricked into believing I am the main character in a more literal sense than now but I suppose I was hoping for new medians for stories to be told rather than medians for entertainment in general.
     
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    Another contradiction to what I want (not for the thread (the actual future)) is how the discussion revolves around how things will become less and less physical but we're discussing how the media itself will be more physical. Maybe we will consume plots the way we take a pill or how inception works (the concept... Not the movie). I am mainly interested in maybe what and why we'll consume rather than how. All are interesting and welcome however.
     
  17. The Terminator

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    What's next?
    http://www.theverge.com/2015/8/13/9131805/ilm-ilmxlab-interview-virtual-reality-star-wars-movies

    After that, who knows... holodeck? The Matrix?

    Geordi almost did that :p

    Moore's law ;) :)

    on why, A way to learn.. or to pass time? Traveling to the nearest star(excluding our Sun) at 10% of the speed would take almost 44 years, plenty of time! :p
     
  18. dascoyne

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    Less important is what we consume than what we defacate. Historically, with the evolution and growth of media, so grows the amount of crap - to wit, the current explosion of reality TV. Will the waste material of the future rise in direct proportion to media growth? Or will it grow geometrically and obtain a life of its own, like the pudding in Woody Allen's prophetic film, Sleeper? Will it be the runny poo or something more substantial? Is a puzzlement.
     
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    For that ... matter are we to inherit stewardship over said poo? At what point do we release it into the wild? If so should would sentience give rise to free will? Could we, as a pacified society, keep back the pungent flood of emancipated nanotube-laden crap? Truly is a puzzlement.
     
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  20. The Mad Professor

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    I can foresee with the telecom merges and the tech advancements that cameras comprised of wafer thin graphene will be able to be crafted into contact lenses and be temporary or permanent implants, allowing for a new level of reality television: Actual reality television, not that scripted crap we have now. It would kind of be like a 24/7 video blog of someone's life.
     
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  21. Timey Wimey

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    Could we theoretically change the limit to what we can experience &/or perceive? Could a new kind of format trick us into adjusting to having new limbs, eyes on the back of our head or even experience entirely new sights and dimensions!? Rather than being in the mix of the story, observing it in the way a god would. Maybe that is the future. A never ending unscripted yet controlled story scouring entire dimensions like a vaster Truman Show.
     
  22. Timey Wimey

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    The amount of poor content will always increase and I'd expect would be greater than the quality content. It's probably just a matter of how to filter out the bad content based on tastes and future technology. Maybe Apple's hope in Siri has a logic and soon the only way we can find good content without word of mouth will be with a new kind of personal assistant that isn't necessarily smarter at speaking to us but is smarter when it comes to seeking talent.
     
  23. The Mad Professor

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    Ahem... Cortana is better than Siri by a long shot.
     
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    "taste" is where your argument falls apart. Crap programming gives rise to a public with poor taste which begets more crap. This growth is exponential in a model where the realm of media remains static. In a growing medium it's only worse. I submit that our dependence on passive entertainment technologies have fueled a decline in physical and mental health – we’re not too far off from the human behemoths on Wall-E. Where you imagine a future of ultimate “VR” then you should envision that such immersion into the Matrix could and would begin in infancy or even at birth. Where the Wachowskis were wrong was that, in even such a scenario, the term “atrophy” has no meaning as it presumes a preexisting functional corpus. In such a world, from birth we, more likely, develop as gelatinous masses of skin and nerve.
    Analogous and coincident with the degeneration of physicality is the degeneration of social propriety, civility, culture, social structure, intelligence and inevitably free will. With the growth of the internet there is already pronounced devolvement of English grammar and of organized discourse. Displacing those are cat memes and forum discourse devoid of cogent thought, rife with trolling.
    We consume crap and have a taste for crap. The future of mankind is a massive human centipede attached to its own backside in an infinite loop.
    That our technological progress would be the machine of our own demise is, sadly, the final puzzlement.
     
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  25. Laspector

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    Whoa! that is one of the deepest things I have ever heard! That is going straight to my Facebook page!
     
  26. batguy

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    Entertainment doesn't get crappier when we gain more tech ability. It gets crappier when the production & distribution process all gets cheaper.

    Reality TV exists because they can shoot on video instead of film, no-name actors practically pay the producers to star in things, and there are endless cable/internet channels ready to air anything that gets made without selling tickets.
     
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    "Cost" is gasoline on a fire, but the tinder for the flame remains public taste and demand.
    Reality TV, in all its iterations, has a tremendous viewing audience.
     
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    Just because a certain genre is popular it doesn't automatically mean it's crap.

    If everyone had to buy tickets to see reality TV shows, and those shows cost $150m apiece to produce, then it wouldn't be long before we started getting much better quality reality shows.


    In the 1930s/40s there were cheap throaway Republic serials on TV. 40 years later, with much greater demands for realism driving up production cost, we got Star Wars & Indy in theaters.
     
  29. The Terminator

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    Cortana for the win :p
    cortanah3.jpg

    In the 1980's there were a low budget Terminator flick that some hacks, with way better technology, and way higher production cost tried to cash in on 30 years later by releasing crap ;)
    Things change :lol
     
  30. Timey Wimey

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    Does Cortana have a TV box update that completely revolves around her that is relevant to the times because it's recent news? Is she the most recognizable as a real life digital assistant by the masses? Siri is a better analogy by a long shot. I also completely disagree with budget determining the quality of any product. It's the effort put in. And as long as there are people that like to discuss how awful reality TV can be then there can be quality products as well. It's just interests shifting and they will always shift and there will always be something that is frowned upon. Those things frowned upon and laughed at can always become the popular type of media or can be considered awful to have disrespected in the first place. Loved things can be laughed at later as well. Of course everything is relative and that wouldn't matter anyway because we all live in a matrix of one!...
     
  31. Wes R

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    It isn't progressing, it's degenerating to the point of nearly being unwatchable. Even educational channels like Smithsonian are getting in on the reality show crap. I'd watch the throw away serials of the 1940s before I'd watch most stuff modern, the quality was better even back then. Americans don't want quality tv anymore, they're too vain and brainwashed to want to better themselves with anything educational. They just want to see stupid people making * out of themselves on tv so it makes them feel better about their miserable lives.
     
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    Regardless of the quality of the media, how will it be cut, separated, packaged and delivered. Not the technology behind it but is there a new format?
     
  33. batguy

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    True.

    But first there had to be a good original Terminator flick to train the public to want to see more of it. And then the public's demand for knockoffs didn't last more than a few years.

    The reality TV genre of today isn't riding the coattails of any specific well-known high quality product. It just perpetuates because it costs little to make and nothing to watch.




    Is media getting worse? That depends on how you look at it.

    Media is getting MORE. More content from every source, all the time. We get literally hundreds of movies released every year (and that is just counting the ones with remotely recognizable people & budgets). We used to get dozens. Today we have hundreds of TV channels whereas decades ago we had about 4. And then there's the internet which is essentially unlimited in most ways.

    If you pick the best 10 artists in your high school class, the average quality of their work will be pretty high.
    But pick the best 100 artists, and the average quality of that larger pool will be a lot lower. Probably only a small fraction as good as before.
    Did your high school class somehow lose most of its artistic talent between those two picks?


    The amount of media being made has climbed up a whole lot faster than the population has grown. That dilutes the quality. But it doesn't really prove anything bad about the population itself.
     
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