What do i do if i have been RIPPED OFF by a RPFer?

Discussion in 'Replica Props' started by jedivigneri, Jan 19, 2006.

  1. jedivigneri

    jedivigneri Well-Known Member

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    I dont even know what to do... I have had MANY MANY successful sales and trades on the rpf in the 7 years i have been a member and found LOTS of RARE amazing items.
    I am not going to put the name out there yet, but there is a board member here from australia, who i believe is preying on and ripping off board members. Has this happened before? Does he think he can get away with this because he is "safe" in another country? Advice on this distressing problem would be appreciated. I will say the item i seem to have been burned on is vader armor...anyone else had a problem with that here? thanx for ur input, long time rpf member curt vigneri
     
  2. Jedi Lawja

    Jedi Lawja Well-Known Member

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    Would this be the same member that had some difficulty filling DS Gun orders?

    Jay
     
  3. KevVader

    KevVader Sr Member

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    .....tell us the story....I, for one, would like to hear it......
     
  4. jedivigneri

    jedivigneri Well-Known Member

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    Was this person a AUSTRALIAN? it may be the same person with 2 board names... :(


     
  5. jedivigneri

    jedivigneri Well-Known Member

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    I dont really have a BIG story, someone posted having vader armor that was "cast from original tour suit" for a fantastic price around december. Seemed on the up n up with friendly replies, and now over a month or so after payment i only have a terse snip of a reply saying "sorry, i shipped yur item without tracking or insurance and i cant do anything else." I have paypal investigating and am expecting a refund. BUT if this perp is preying on board members with pretty pics and promises I am more then willing to put the word out... i dont want the rpf community to become infiltrated with ebay style scammers... curt




     
  6. KevVader

    KevVader Sr Member

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    :angry ....I agree....out him if you have to.....then nail his a$$ to the nearest tree......
     
  7. franz bolo

    franz bolo Sr Member

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    I would give the person a warning and let them tell their side before the lynching starts.

    If the person is ripping you off, that would surely be ashame.

    I wish their would be a ranking in your profile stating how many items you've sold in the JY and a feedback rating. This would help people decide if they want to take a chance on an item.

    I've had a lot of success buying stuff here and if I did have a problem, I was fortunate enough to do business with stand up people.

    FB
     
  8. Mike J.

    Mike J. Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    ...That is a good idea...

    Well, one could always posta link to their eBay rating...


    -Mike
     
  9. KevVader

    KevVader Sr Member

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    ....that does sound like a good idea....may be a nightmare to administer/manage tho....
     
  10. Durasteel Corporation

    Durasteel Corporation Well-Known Member

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    talk to the mods first....read the FAQs.


    DONT ASSUME anything....just operate on your concern.

    Sometimes crap happens and it gets hard to explain and/or the person in question may have screwed something up but isnt sure how to fix it.....analysis paralysis ya know ;) I dont know anyone who hasnt been on that end at some point in their life.

    ....be somewhat empathetic with the old phrase sh*t happens and work with the person to try to resolve the issue.


    and REMEMBER WHAT MOMMA SAID:

    You dont win flies with vinegar or fly swatters.

    Even those who you think are scum will often react more generously if you maintain your dignity and keep things respectful.


    There are other ways of outing people.
     
  11. Durasteel Corporation

    Durasteel Corporation Well-Known Member

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    wow, very good idea.
     
  12. Got Maul

    Got Maul Official Licensee RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    that would be a cool idea...harkens back to the days of Mara Jades Father buyer rating site .. That's memories . Heck, that's when we were small enough to keep everyone rated ..
     
  13. jedivigneri

    jedivigneri Well-Known Member

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    Sorry kids, gloves are off, its official.

    Former board member "JIKAWA" is back as "NJO DEADLY" and is a FULL FLEDGED RIPOFF CON tucked safe an comfy in australia and preying on our prop community. Id love to see a happy post by mr. deadly aka RAYMOND LEUNG.

    curt



     
  14. jedivigneri

    jedivigneri Well-Known Member

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    How could i have been so stupid... i know, because i have NEVER been BURNED on the rpf before...and i have spent THOUSANDS over the year happily...


    the following here is my last lame response i got after repeated emails were ignored. Nice huh...


    Posts: 89
    Joined: 5-June 03


    "
    You must understand that once i ship it off the post office takes over, i have a receipt of the shipment. As soon as i locate you will be the first to know. Besides that i can do nothing else I have had no problems with sending items to the states using Economy Air before."
     
  15. Rylo

    Rylo Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    John from DS props is the one who had issues with people on the BR guns and some logan's props, too. The LR prop forums already put the flags up on that guy.

    This is a different Aussie it seems. (not that all Aussie vendors are bad)

    NOTE:

    I do and have always thought that an RPF member who offers merchandise for sale should be held to a higher standard. I say hang the seller out for public opinion so others can make an informed decision. Perhaps it will stop the seemingly endless flow of, "I got screwed" threads.

    How such a ranking sysystem could be put in place is another deal and should be discussed in seperate thread.... Perhaps by choice? Rather a "rate me" sort of thing. Any dealer/builder who has a healthy relationship with the RPF should welcome such a thing. It's good PR. :)

    ASAP tried a dealer review section but it just never took off. Perhaps something similar here?
     
  16. franz bolo

    franz bolo Sr Member

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  17. Prometheus

    Prometheus Well-Known Member

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    Dude, get your facts straight man. I am in no way associated with njo deadly.
    I took the initiative to pm you because he is on my MSN list and offered to help you check about your armor shipment.
    Why do you feel a need to associate a helping hand with a potential scammer?
    And for the record, i am NOT Raymond, i am NOT from Australia.

    Read my signature.

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  18. synasp

    synasp Sr Member

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    I can back up that Prometheus isn't in Australia, if that helps anything...
     
  19. NEKROFANATIC

    NEKROFANATIC Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    How lng has it been since the item was shipped? We are talking half-way around the world and over the xmas holidays I'm thinking, so shipping could actually take 4-6 weeks...I remember shipping something to Italy and it took 7 weeks.
     
  20. DrStranglove

    DrStranglove Sr Member

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    Sadly, being ripped off by a fellow RPFÂ’ers is nothing new. Universal Armor, Paul Francis aka PaulF2000, Tim Pinata (sp?) aka Jedi135, Charles Wallis aka EDC, WolfMorganX, Greg Stone, Rob Durham aka Razor Rob, etcÂ… were ALL RPFÂ’ers at one point or another.
     
  21. Sporak

    Sporak Sr Member Gone but not forgotten.

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    NO, no no....

    This is NOT Jikawa. I know him personally and you've got the wrong name there.

    He was one of the first members I met here in person and one of the most honorable... I would trust him implicitly. I've had many many dealings with him...all went perfectly. He is pleasant, warm,friendly and curteous.

    He is now going by the screen name Prometheus...
    He doesn't live in Australia. He used to live in the Bay Area Ca. and now in HK.

    Again....You got the wrong guy.

    What's the screen name of the guy you bought from???


     
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  22. FON

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    Umm not all Aussies are bad

    I have talked with Ray on MSN quite a few times... he seems alright to me. But then I haven't bought anything from him, so I cannot comment.
     
  23. Prometheus

    Prometheus Well-Known Member

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    Thank you Synasp and Sporak for coming to my defense..
     
  24. Jedirick

    Jedirick Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Well, within this thread are reasons why not to think a member rating system would be effective.

    I think Chesty hit on something when he said "voluntary".

    My intent is not to beat jedivigneri when he's down BUT

    In this case the wrong member has been outed. Very very bad form. Hopefully an apology and explaination will be forth coming.

    If lack preparation for this thread is any indication of the foresight used in making this purchase, it appears some of the responsibiility for failure may rest on the shoulders of the buyer.

    What's the deal with no insurance? Sure, it's nice when the seller offers or even requires insurance but ultimately it is the buyer's responsibility to do all he can to protect his investment. If the vader armor was offered at a great price, certainly there should have been funds available to insure that good deal and still consider it a bargain.

    Evidently from what the seller has said, he does have a receipt for the shipment. Has he scanned and forwarded a copy to jedivigneri? If a valid receipt exists then both buyer and seller may be victims of circumstances beyond there control. Hopefully if this is the case the seller will work with the buyer to share in the loss.

    My intent is not to beat jedivigneri when he's down. I feel his pain and frustration. I do commend him very much so for coming forward early in the process. He is one of the first to speak out early enough to hopefully keep a number of others from a bad experience.

    Dr S. mentions a number of rather historical rip offs of RPF members. One of the main reasons they are so well remembered along with several others is because of the volume of business that was done before anyone complained.

    There are at least two threads on the first page of this forum involving multiple members not receiving thousands of dollars worth of merchandise. In both cases the seller happily operated for months if not years before any one spoke up.

    If another thread is started on RPF seller feedback. I will be delighted to offer my 2 cents. I loath rip offs. I am very concerned over what appears to be a historically reoccurring pattern of bad dealers on the RPF. There seems to be a metamorphosis-like process that results in regular hosts of victims. If we can find a way to recognize signs in the stages of this lousy process maybe we can find ways to better safeguard members.
     
  25. ReelManiac

    ReelManiac New Member

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    I know here in the States there's Air Parcel and Economy Parcel, I've never heard of Economy Air. Maybe it's an Australian thing, I don't know. If he's talking about Economy Parcel then that's surface mail, it usually takes around 4-6 weeks. If he has the shipping reciept then ask him to send a scan of it, no need to jump the gun just yet.
     
  26. lambotour

    lambotour Well-Known Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I've also purchased an item from Prometheus. He was a stand up and honorable guy. :)
     
  27. gokarosama

    gokarosama Well-Known Member

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    Economy Air is an Australian thing, yes.
     
  28. Bountyhunter Niko

    Bountyhunter Niko Well-Known Member

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  29. Darth Lars

    Darth Lars Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    That would still not represent people outside the US very well.
    There are local boards and auction sites in other countries. Myself, I have sold more stuff on them than on this board. Not all of these people are here.

    I think that if there is going to be a ratings system, then that should be based on comments.
    ASAP used to have a "Vendor feedback" board, where also individual users were listed, but they removed it for some reason. RPB still has one, but it is not as big (= useful) as ASAP's was.
     
  30. amish

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    Can either the original poster or a Moderator modify the post that names Jikawa as the bad seller? It would be a shame to have Prometheus go through any troubles because of this.

    Otherwise, I would love a feeback system on buyers/sellers for the junkyard. Even a seperate are where people can discuss their dealings.
     
  31. jedivigneri

    jedivigneri Well-Known Member

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    I WAS WRONG about JIKAWA, i thought PROMETHEUS was telling me that he was ripped by JIKAWA, and the wording in email got missinterpreted. JIKAWA/PROMETHEUS is the same guy and he is a VERY reputable RPF member and is not in AUSTRALIA. MY TOTAL APOLOGY to this board member who is trying to help me with info on the bad trader.

    The problem still is NJO DEADLY, who i am sure will just change his board name now... so how do we keep the rpf safe from ebay type scammers is my real issue now... im only out 200 clams, but if there is a scumbag out there that thinks he can cash in on collectors here ill post about him every day for years....curt




     
  32. jedivigneri

    jedivigneri Well-Known Member

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    I have spent LOTS of money all over the world through the RPF and have gotten lots of KOOL stuff from australia, the UK, Germany. SO of course not all foreign traders are rip artists....just NJO DEADLY.
    curt


     
  33. temponaut

    temponaut Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    jedivigneri: May I suggest (as amish did) that you go back to your original "the gloves are off" post and edit it accordingly? It's cool that in your recent post (#31) you are publicly correcting your mistaken accusation about jikawa, but some people may not read the entire thread and may never see your retraction. ;)
     
  34. Prometheus

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    jedivigneri has apologise to me in private.
    We are on good terms.
    Thank you Curt for apologising in public too.
    I will continue to find out what happened to your transaction with Raymond.
     
  35. franz bolo

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    Sorry to intervens on your thread, but this is something I found that is a good template for feedback:

    THIS PLACE is a very good idea.

    I've read a lot of reviews and it gives a good background on some people.

    HERE is the main site.

    FB
     
  36. jedivigneri

    jedivigneri Well-Known Member

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    I will fix the original post and also to answer the basic questions

    1) The item was offered on the rpf as "1 of 3 sets of screen accurate vader armor available 200.00 SHIPPED" nice price huh?

    2) I would have offered to pay for insurance but was given a set price. What numbskull would ship a valuable item like that without insurance. As i said, i have NEVER had a rpf problem before, so it didnt cross my mind. Now im not gonna deal with anybody i cant fly to an address of in a few hours. I hope ray makes a honorary plaque over his bookshelf or something in his house i have paid for...curt



     
  37. rocketeer25

    rocketeer25 Sr Member

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    Just to clear up this point... members can't change their board name on their own. One of the staff has to do it for them upon request.
     
  38. saberlover

    saberlover Well-Known Member

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    I aggree.....
     
  39. armourerdoug

    armourerdoug New Member

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    I shipped 2 expensive helmets to the USA on 30th Oct by sea, took 9 weeks and one by air took 3 weeks. I know customs can be a nightmare and I was well worried that I would get a bad rap for it even though I had done everything I said I would do
    Peronaly I would pay the extra and insist on Tracking and Airmail with insurance for any parcel.
    hope it turns up though

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  40. Galactifan

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    It seems to me from reading the above posts that the item purchased may eventually show up, but the buyer is very frustrated with the lack of customer service on the seller's part. It seems odd to me that ANYONE would ship an expensive item without some type of tracking information. I'll rephrase that...it's just plain DUMB. I'm not sure why the seller didn't include this tracking delivery in the price of his item (maybe he did). Hopefully, the item will show up and all will be happy, however, the real problem that I see here is in customer service. Timely updated emails should not be a burden on a seller's part, but an expected part of doing business. I don't care what personal problems a seller experiences they should keep their personal life seperate and do business professionally. Please note that this is my general opinion and NOT directed at this particular buyer or seller. Keep in mind, it's your had earned money and you should expect to be dealt with professionally from any seller. All anyone really wants is what they paid for. Thank you.
     
  41. Sporak

    Sporak Sr Member Gone but not forgotten.

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    Good show...Thanks my friend :)


     
  42. KevVader

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    ....Very well said. I agree 110%. If you're willing and able to take someone's money, you should be willing and able to deliver....
     
  43. darth_manu

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    If i remembered correctly, i was going to buy a set of those armors as well.
    i believe hes a chinese guy from his pics?
     
  44. jedivigneri

    jedivigneri Well-Known Member

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    ya, a chinese australian...how could i have been so stupid..ugh...curt

     
  45. 7-11 Jedi

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    Man, when I first started reading this thread, I about had a heart attack. Several years ago, one of my first successful transactions was with Jikawa, back on the old board when I was known as the "Chicken Head." Good to see that cleared up.

    That sucks man, the worst thing is, if he doesn't have the funds in his paypal account, they'll just shut him down, but you won't get your refund. I really hope you get your product, and this really is the result of dumb shipping.

    Cheers.
    Mike
     
  46. jedivigneri

    jedivigneri Well-Known Member

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    Hey, if a box shows up i will be the first to post,BELIEVE ME, but i can tell i have been duped. Everything just feels wrong with this guy and he knew just what to say and when...hes purdy slick that NJO DEADLY. That ok, im gonna be his cyber stalker now...curt



     
  47. chris1748

    chris1748 Well-Known Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I ordered a set of this armor from him Dec. 3rd and he emailed me a couple of days ago asking if I received it.
    I pm'd him that I had not and I have heard nothing back.

    This sucks I have done like fifty deals with RPF'ers and never had a problem.

    chris
     
  48. jp529

    jp529 New Member

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    screwed by ds props.hi im john i blindly mailed john campbell of ds props of austrialia a 1000.00for a working sandman pistol.this guy had a million excuses for not mailing the prop then stopped contacting me.he has reaped the rewards offf my sweat and is considered scum on my part.do not send for replicas or props from austrialia.....this guy poked me .i cannot drag his name enough thru the mud.if someone knows where he is attempting to sell ds guns please contact me.....jp529@sbcglobal.net
     
  49. gokarosama

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    ? :confused

    Um. How did we get here? Not that I know where "Austrialia" is, mind you.

    Look, vigneri, it's very possible you've been screwed--by the postal system, intentionally by this njo guy, or by your own lack of foresight. It's also possible that not enough time has gone by for your package to ship. One month from Oz (presumably to the US?) is not that long, particularly when packages get searched. It certainly sounds like you've not been treated kindly, and that's too bad.

    People need to keep that anti-other country vibe out of this thread. The RPF is not the US, and is not populated exclusively by Americans living there. People make international transactions in the Junkyard all the time without any problems. It also distracts from what might be a real case of an RPF member ripping off another.

    Might be.

    I hope you get your package, jv--and that, if/when you do get it, it's what you expected.
     
  50. jedivigneri

    jedivigneri Well-Known Member

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    Hey Chris, If you paid with paypal then we can help each other wrench our money back from the *. PM me... glad im not the only one. And yeah, 1.5 months is plenty of time for customs, etc. This guy is a TOTAL con. Ive had stuff show up from australia faster then from illinois more then once. Maybe this will help JP529 to...sorry about ur 1k lost to maybe the same guy...ill never buy from anyone i cant fly in n wrap my fingers around the throat of again...that for sure....curt




     

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