Vader's MPP shroud (update)

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  1. roygilsing

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    UPDATE SEE POST #265


    Hi everybody,

    I can't help it, but I've got to make more OT replica saber parts!
    There's a new item which I can soon add to the list of parts at www.WannaWanga.com :

    The VADER MPP SHROUD!

    It can be used to convert a Heiland flash to an DV MPP saber. It's very accurately copied from a real MPP flash. (thanks to @Sym-Cha).
    It'll be made in aluminium and I'm planning on having them coated with the proper black wrinkle paint and will come with the correct thumb screw and D-ring.

    Here are some exciting pictures of the CNC machining:
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    They will hopefully be ready and for sale mid-August, maybe a little later. Just keep an eye on this thread if you're interested!

    I'm posting this here and not in the Project Runs since I'll be selling them through my shop later and there's no need to make a reservation, since I'll be making more when the demand asks for it.

    There so many more parts I want to add to the list:
    - MPP bulb release with button
    - DV ROTJ stunt shroud
    - DV ROTJ stunt activation box
    - DV ROTJ stunt double ball catch
    - etc.!

    And of course I still have to make a few more BLUEPRINTS, like: Luke's ROTJ V2, DV sabers, etc.

    Cheers,
    Roy

    *** UPDATE ***

    Well, my first batch is ready and available!
    Some of you have already found it at WannaWanga: http://wannawanga.com/products/mpp-shroud/

    Price is $40

    (shipping unfortunately is $20. This is the lowest international shipping price from the Netherlands, since it doesn't fit in an envelope)

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    Cheers,
    Roy

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  2. thd9791

    thd9791 Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Re: Vader's MPP shroud

    Roy these look fantastic! thank you for all this work! coincidentally I got aggressive with someone on eBay and accidentally won a Parks MPP, and the shroud could really use an upgrade it looks like. Can't wait!
     
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  3. Panaflex

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    Re: Vader's MPP shroud

    Looking good. Amazing actually.
     
  4. RexKramer

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    You are a beast.

    I will be searching for a Heiland now...

    ...so I can make an accurate Vader after you make an MPP clamp.

    :D
     
  5. Scott D

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    Those look nice. :thumbsup
     
  6. Sym-Cha

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    Re: Vader's MPP shroud

    The MPP clamp can be purchased seperately from The Custom Saber Shop ... it's being sold under Graflex/Heiland and is quite accurate and it also comes with a plastic sleeve ... for a reasonable price ... no need for Roy to concentrate on :)

    Chaim
     
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  7. xl97

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    Cant say enough good things about The Custom Saber Shop (TCSS).. and its owner Tim!

    Just great business dealings over & over! (not to mention good prices!)
     
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  8. thd9791

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    Re: Vader's MPP shroud

    Their MPP replica looks suspiciously like Park's, do they have a connection?
     
  9. PoopaPapaPalps

    PoopaPapaPalps Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Re: Vader's MPP shroud

    I think they source their clamps from him.

    Either way, the MPP shroud couldn't have come at a better time. All I can say is: yes. Yes. YES! YES!!
     
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  10. Sym-Cha

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    Indeed I think their complete MPP is also the same as Parks ... would make sense ... perhaps Roy or any of you guys should contact Tim for 'endcaps only' to become also seperately available to convert a Heiland further?

    Chaim
     
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  11. PoopaPapaPalps

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    Shoot, if Roy could produce everything, I'd be one happy camper. MPP clamp, endcap, Graflex clamp, Luke V2's "mystery chunk"; I'll take 'em all!
     
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  12. robpenfold

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    Re: Vader's MPP shroud

    This is fantastic news! I need a shroud and an MPP bulb release when that eventually happens! Keep up the great work Roy.
     
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  13. Darth Lars

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    Re: Vader's MPP shroud

    Parks' MPP shroud has black, straight, rounded sidebars, which are only on the ANH v2.
    There is more demand for sidebars for ANH v1 (silver, straight, rounded) and ESB (black, angled).

    I made my own silver sidebars by hand and a drill press.. but there is of course some wonkiness because they were made by hand.
     
  14. mugatu

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    Roy, Chaim, you guys always make me smile, but my wallet/PayPal hate you. This shroud will fit an MPP, obviously... right?

    I also witnessed a CSS MPP clamp pass by my house for a few minutes, and it looked tip top to me too.
     
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  15. Solos blaster

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    Re: Vader's MPP shroud

    I was happy with my resin shroud....was....lol
     
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  16. OdiWan72

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    COOL :cool

    Markus
     
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  17. Reelo

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    Re: Vader's MPP shroud

    I have a resin shroud too... and it's got no D-Ring (for fear of breaking it) ...
     
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  18. roygilsing

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    Re: Vader's MPP shroud

    :D LOL!

    This shroud will fit any 1.5" tube!
     
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  19. MCM

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    I'm excited to see how these look painted up. So far they look great!
     
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  20. The Terminator

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    Yay :D great timing! My MPP's been missing a little something
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    Not to mention a couple of T-tracks oh and a screw for the clamp :(

    Roy you rock :D
     
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  21. spoudastis

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    Fantastic work!!
     
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  22. thd9791

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    Re: Vader's MPP shroud

    Here's a question about machining: how did you guys come to the conclusion to use square stock instead a thick walked tube or round bar stock? That seems like so much metal to remove!
     
  23. roygilsing

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    Well, it wasn't me who came to this conclusion, but my supplier :)
    But I can give you a few reasons:
    - 4 parts can be made out of 1 piece
    - a square piece is easy to position and fixate
    - the material must be rotated for machining the other side, this is easier with a square piece.
    - you need sufficient material for proper clamping.
    - the interior of the part is machined as well
    - depends on what's in stock.

    I can't think of any more reasons, but I'm sure that there are.
     
  24. Sym-Cha

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    I just happen to like square instead of round stock ... and there's nothing remotely gay about that, I think :wacko

    :lol

    Chaim
     
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  25. Lichtbringer

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    Re: Vader's MPP shroud

    One thing will be that the way of production itself is not accurate to the old parts, as i´m pretty sure there was no cnc involved in the good old times. ;)

    And i noticed that todays cnc-machinist just look different to any tasks than the oldtimers with their conventional machines. The different way of machining trained them to, they are not used the old way.

    And at the end, the cnced parts look different to the trained eye, one of the reason why i often don´t like the cnced replications of old parts - but with this part it will not matter, after the wrinkle paint is on the differencies should be invisible
     
  26. Bmkristiansen

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    Nice work! You should do a Obi-Wan blueprint as well :)
     
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  27. roygilsing

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    Re: Vader's MPP shroud

    This is all very true. But the good thing of these modern rapid prototyping techniques is that a smaller quantity production is much more affordable, because no special tooling is required, even though tooling itself became more affordable as well.

    The original shrouds were casted. I investigated casting in aluminium as a method for this run, but I didn't find a satisfying and affordable solution.

    And like you say: for this part, a lot of the details are covered by the wrinkle coating.

    But I totally agree that it's best if the processes of the original and the replica are identical. That's what I try all the time and that's why I did invest in tooling for the bubble strip and that is also why clamps and stamped parts are much harder to realize in small quantities.
     
  28. Sym-Cha

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    Re: Vader's MPP shroud

    When Roy and I took a real close look at my vintage MPP shroud ... it's quite obvious to see somesort of a seamline when taken apart from the MPP tube ... that would suggest a metal casting made from a mold ... and since the shroud is rather light and not magnetic we suspect it's an aluminum casting or other rather light metal-alloy :)

    Chaim
     
  29. Lichtbringer

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    There is a big Aluminium-Caster in Oldenzaal, right on the other side of the street from one of my workplaces. http://www.algietol.nl/page/Welkom/csId=7

    But up to now i never asked if they accept small jobs, too.
     
  30. roygilsing

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    Nice! I don't know them. For now it's too late, but I might contact them in the future. Production in Holland is expensive though.
     
  31. Halliwax

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    roy this is great, another piece i need to pick up! nice job buddy, and nice surprise!
     
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  32. newmagrathea

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    I friggin love you man. Any word on a price?
     
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  33. thd9791

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    Thanks for the explanation guys! This is, as well as being cool, very interesting to watch and learn :)
     
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  34. roygilsing

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    Not yet. But I'll let you know soon.
     
  35. Halliwax

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    If round stock is the same like it is over here it's also more expensive then square stock. don't know if that plays into anything


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  36. newmagrathea

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    I'm excited about all of this.
     
  37. Fabian 71

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    O M G !!! :popcorn SOOO NICE NEWS....
     
  38. newmagrathea

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    Any new news on the shrouds?
     
  39. Halliwax

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    there are a few heilands on eBay going for 65-70 bucks, are those the ones we need to convert to vaders? I'm trying to find some good threads on how to convert to vaders. vaders is new to me, and I'm under the impression theres 3 vader sabers? any good place to go to learn the difference between them all?
     
  40. Edraven99

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    Re: Vader's MPP shroud

    You are correct... there were three Vader lightsabers for each of the three movies - four if you count the holiday special lightsaber ;-)

    But the thing to point out first is that none of the Vaders were made from Heilands, the Vader sabers used in ANH and ESB were made from M.P.P. Microflash units. But, the Heiland is a close approximation to the MPP and is a) easier to find and b) a heck of a lot cheaper to buy when/if you find one generally speaking.

    The Vader ROTJ lightsaber is made from a bastardized Graflex...
     
  41. The Terminator

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    No, the ROTJ hero saber was the same as the ESB saber.
     
  42. Halliwax

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    i just learned this the other night scrolling threw threads, i found stills of vader throwing the saber at luke, you werent kidding it was really hacked together. i am a huge ESB fan, and building many of my SW props referring to ESB. is there any good info on vaders ESB saber?

    we need roy to make some MPP oval name tags for the heilands!
     
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  44. NeoRutty

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    I would think the oval tags are gone by the movies... IF not, there are a lot of people torturing themselves about taking it off for nothing.

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    This has always been hard for me since the ROTJ MOM Vader is my favorite next to Obi, yet doesn't appear to have actually seen any screen time.

    Ah well.
     
  45. Halliwax

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    your right i just read on partsofsw.com they removed the tag!
     
  46. MCM

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    You can see the Graflex saber when Luke hacks Vader's hand off. Also, the saber Vader throws at Luke is Graflex based (and upside down! The blade is coming out of the grip end hahaha). That one *might* be the ROTJ Vader saber, but I'd have to double check my screenshots to be sure.
     
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  47. Edraven99

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    you are correct lol!! Never noticed that before...

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  48. russellsch

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    I just got a Heiland 3 cell off eBay (is on its way now). Only to learn now, that is actually NOT a Heiland that was used in the movies?! :eek
    Geez, I thought I was doing good at starting a build.
    Well now I'm enjoying my newest piece from CSS even more.... & I can't bring myself to remove the name plate.
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  49. NeoRutty

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    Still doing good. Heiland is a perfectly good sub if you don't want to fork out close to 1000 bucks.

    I just wish my heiland had the round port holes.

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    I think I've seen auction pics of that, and it looks more like a resin cast or something... it's weird looking.

    If it was the graflex, there'd be the black hex screws in the top half....
     
  50. Halliwax

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    oh my god i didnt catch that either!! thats a editing issue for sure!! LOL

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    anything else to look for when hunting heilands?
     

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